# I Pit the Hatred of Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 30, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284 "2016-07-30T14:33:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/121 "2016-08-02T19:46:12Z")
I know both Hillary and Bill personally from way back. They are like most politicians. They crave power. Once they got the power, they each decided they should cash in on it, but the power is much more satisfying. You have similar types of people on both sides of the aisle. ---
**Author:** ![Dob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Dob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dob)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/122 "2016-08-02T20:02:42Z")
The unreal hatred of Hillary by Trump supporters is confusing. They hate her because of “lies”? And her willingness to say anything to be elected? Have they met Trump at all? If you are voting Trump over Hillary because you think his policies and leadership will lead better than Hillary then enjoy the vote! More power to you. But if you are voting Trump because Hillary is “worse” or a “crooked liar” I would BEG you to review Trumps history with a bit more detail. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/123 "2016-08-02T20:10:25Z")
> [@Dob](#): > > The unreal hatred of Hillary by Trump supporters is confusing. They hate her because of “lies”? And her willingness to say anything to be elected? I listed quite a few of the reasons why people don’t like her in post 108. But since they can’t be blamed on sexism or racism (she was in that black guy’s administration, you know) crickets have been chirping. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/124 "2016-08-02T20:12:15Z")
> [@Dob](#): > > The unreal hatred of Hillary by Trump supporters is confusing. They hate her because of “lies”? And her willingness to say anything to be elected? I listed quite a few of the real reasons why people don’t like her in post 108. But since they can’t be blamed on sexism or racism (she was in that black guy’s administration, you know) no one seems interested ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/125 "2016-08-02T20:15:16Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > As far as I can tell, one of the main reasons for the hate is the same as the one for the Obama hate-she doesn’t "know her place ". Frankly, I think the extent of sexism affecting people’s opinions is grossly understated. It’s poor form to assign odious motives to voters of your candidates challenger, but since the spittle covered paltry arguments against her lack things like facts or reason we’re really left with nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/126 "2016-08-02T21:35:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I listed quite a few of the reasons why people don’t like her in post 108. But since they can’t be blamed on sexism or racism (she was in that black guy’s administration, you know) crickets have been chirping. That’s because it is pointless to go through this list again, but still… > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Some of the detestation (I hesitate to call it hate, but then to you guys any disapproval or dislike is hate) for Hillary comes from the baking cookies crack (just another of the many examples of her poor judgement). First, hesitating to call it hate, and instead going with a word that means “.[extreme hatred or dislike](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/detestation)” is a bit odd, but we will proceed. > [@](#): > > Quite a bit of it comes from her and her husband’s attempt to install her as unelected Co-President, and her gall in presuming to take over and construct a government health program while having no bona fides other than being married to the president from which to do so. No bona fides? You are aware of her education, background, and employment prior to being first lady, right? It’s definitely at least bordering on sexism to say that her only bona fide is her husband. > [@](#): > > Quite a bit of it comes from her attempt to convince the nation that Bill’s Monica problem was the result of a “vast, right-wing, conspiracy”. > > Some of it comes from the fact that many of us believe she knew perfectly well about Bill’s many dalliances over the years and couldn’t have cared less until it became a public issue. We also believe she had and has no sympathy whatever for the many women Bill pursued against their wishes and went along willingly (or perhaps even engineered) the Clinton administration’s policy of character assassination toward these women and the characterization of their attempts to come forward about his assaults as “bimbo eruptions”. Pretty much all of this comes down to her not performing her role as wife properly, with rumor and insinuation thrown in for good measure. Little sexist. > [@](#): > > Some of it comes from her smug, superior and condescending demeanor. Opinion, I suppose. I don’t find her that way at all. > [@](#): > > Some of it comes from her long history of lying and dishonesty in general. She routinely lies about her lies even, when caught out on them. Bit of a point here, she has had problems with perception of her honesty. I feel that she has been as honest as she has been able in a world where things don’t have simple answers that are always right. > [@](#): > > Some of it comes from the perception that she and her husband rely on lawyerly tricks to thwart investigations into what is perceived as their many wrongdoings. Once again, perception and opinion, without any fact backing it. > [@](#): > > Some of it is caused by the fact that she appears overly ambitious and willing to say and do anything if it will help her get to the presidency. (A poster here once offered the belief that if a new poll showed the people wanted Cap’n Crunch for president she’d be out the next day in a pirate’s hat.) You ever meet anyone who wanted to get into politics, much less be president, that wasn’t ambitious? I can say she is certainly not willing to do or say anything, watching her in the 2008 primary, she could have forced the issue more, had a better chance of winning, but hurt both party and country in the process, she didn’t. She could have switched parties and ran against barak in 2012, she didn’t. If your complaint is that she is willing to make concessions and compromises, then I cosider that a good thing. Opinions vary. > [@](#): > > The above leads to another of the reasons many people don’t like her, which is that she appears to appears to believe that letting people get to know the real her would be such a turnoff that she must constantly pretend to be something she’s not in hopes of getting votes and support. This of course also creates the impression that no one knows what she’s really like and/or what she’d really do once in office. There are alot of reasons people don’t like her, There are alot of reasons why people do like her. I don’t know the “real” hillary, but I know her accomplishments in public and private life, and those are admirable. > [@](#): > > And some of it comes from the widespread belief that unless you’re on her team she’s an utter bitch. This is how she was characterized in 1994 by Newt Gingrich (said to his mother and revealed in the now infamous interview where Connie Chung conned her into revealing what he said by claiming it would be kept confidential), and how she’s been characterized by at least one former Secret Service agent in a book in which he names names as to who she was a bitch to and what actions if any proceeded it. Here you are, calling her a bitch. That’s pretty sexist language. There may be a reason why people feel that you are using sexist language. > [@](#): > > Put all this together and you get a candidate that a lot of people can’t stand because she comes across as a thoroughly reprehensible person. I see… ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/127 "2016-08-02T22:02:11Z")
I liked your entire post, **k9bfriender** , but one part in particular caught my eye: > [@k9bfriender](#): > > [QUOTE=Starving Artist] > Some of the detestation (I hesitate to call it hate, but then to you guys any disapproval or dislike is hate) First, hesitating to call it hate, and instead going with a word that means “.[extreme hatred or dislike](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/detestation)” is a bit odd, but we will proceed. [/QUOTE] Good catch! I only skim **Starving** ’s posts for laughs so missed this, but I think I’ll bookmark for the next Pitting. How (recreationally!) outrageous that this bitter anal-retentive hater hates us for calling him a hater, since he only _detests_ Hillary! 😛 **Starving** is too stupid to use a dictionary, but I think he’s a native English speaker so knew subconsciously that _detests_ is already at least as strong a term. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/128 "2016-08-02T22:24:18Z")
> [@](#): > > de·test > dəˈtest/ > verb > dislike intensely. > “of all birds the carrion crow is the most detested by gamekeepers” > synonyms: abhor, hate, loathe, despise, shrink from, be unable to bear, find intolerable, dislike, disdain, have an aversion to; formalabominate > “the only vegetable I truly detest is turnip” Of course “detest” is a strong term. But it doesn’t necessarily equate to hatred. For example, I hate some people but I don’t detest them. And I detest some people but I don’t hate them. Hatred rises to a stronger level than detestation. They are not identical terms. People who know how to interpret dictionaries are able to make these distinctions. Every synonym doesn’t have to apply. Take the quote above about detesting turnip. People may very well dislike eating certain vegetables but I doubt very many truly ‘hate’ them. I’m afraid you’re going to have to look elsewhere for your Pit fodder, because all you’ll accomplish is to make yourself look overeager and poorly educated if you try going with this one. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/129 "2016-08-02T22:39:29Z")
I like Hillary because I meet a lot of loose women at her rallies … just which part of your anatomy are y’all thinking with? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/130 "2016-08-02T22:40:57Z")
“detest synonyms: abhor, hate, loathe, despise, shrink from, be unable to bear, find intolerable, dislike, disdain, have an aversion to, abominate” So you _don’t_ hate Hillary, but you _do_ detest her. Would you kindly broaden our knowledge by going through the other ten words on the synonym list? Do you _abhor_ her? _Loathe_ her? … ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/131 "2016-08-02T22:41:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Of course “detest” is a strong term. But it doesn’t necessarily equate to hatred. For example, I hate some people but I don’t detest them. And I detest some people but I don’t hate them. Hatred rises to a stronger level than detestation. They are not identical terms. > > People who know how to interpret dictionaries are able to make these distinctions. Every synonym doesn’t have to apply. Take the quote above about detesting turnip. People may very well dislike eating certain vegetables but I doubt very many truly ‘hate’ them. > > I’m afraid you’re going to have to look elsewhere for your Pit fodder, because all you’ll accomplish is to make yourself look overeager and poorly educated if you try going with this one. Not a synonym. [Very first definition.](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/detestation) I’ll agree that I don’t know how to “interpret dictionaries”, other than to read what they have to say. Is there some sort of annotated version that you prefer? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/132 "2016-08-02T22:58:14Z")
> [@](#): > > detest > verb de·test \di-ˈtest, dē- > Popularity: Bottom 50% of words > Simple Definition of detest > : to dislike (someone or something) very strongly [Cite](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/detest) Besides, if you truly understood dictionaries you’d know that the first definition isn’t the only defining one. ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/133 "2016-08-02T23:07:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > [Cite](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/detest) > > Besides, if you truly understood dictionaries you’d know that the first definition isn’t the only defining one. And if you look up the definition for “hate” on your link: a very strong feeling of dislike ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/134 "2016-08-03T01:45:06Z")
Thank you, Miss **Geekgirl**. You’d have been even more amused if you scrolled down to _hate (verb)_. [QUOTE=Starving’s preferred dictionary] _detest_: to dislike (someone or something) very strongly _hate (verb)_: to dislike (someone) very strongly, [or] to dislike (something) very strongly [/QUOTE] Dictionaries vary, and Merriam even offers _Full definitions_: [QUOTE=Starving’s preferred dictionary, Full definition] _detest_: to feel intense and often violent antipathy toward : loathe [/QUOTE] I’m not sure what **Mr. Starving** would make of “to feel intense and often violent antipathy toward”, but he is proud to cite the Simple definitions in this dictionary so, we’ll stick with those. When I compare **Starving** ’s preferred defintions for detest and hate, the main, or rather only, difference is that to hate someone or something you apparently must first decide whether it is a person or a thing, but with detest (“someone or something”) **Starving** is spared the moral conundrum of deciding which category fits Ms. Clinton. But you’ve still not answered my question, **Artist**. It was you who introduced the eleven synonyms. Do you _loathe_ Ms. Clinton? _Abominate_ her? Please answer. I’m going to ask the Mod to amend thread title so you don’t feel left out, e.g. “I Pit those who Hate, Detest or Loathe Hillary.” I really would like your input. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/135 "2016-08-03T01:53:26Z")
NETA: For those who read my recent post out of context and think I’m some anal-retentive nitpicker, let me point you to the context. It was **Starving** who proudly asserted he didn’t “hate” Hillary — that was just a hateful word us hateful libtards use to impugn loving patriots like himself. He merely _detested_ Hillary; he merely “felt intense and often violent antipathy toward her, and loathed” her. When I see a performance like **Starving** ’s I always feel like asking _Sir? Wouldn’t you be more comfortable if you removed that large stick from your rectum?_ ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/136 "2016-08-03T01:54:26Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > When I see a performance like **Starving** ’s I always feel like asking > _Sir? Wouldn’t you be more comfortable if you removed that large stick from your rectum?_ I’m not sure he’d be able to remain upright without it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/137 "2016-08-03T02:15:39Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I really would like your input. And so you shall get it, but later tonight as I’m productively engaged at the moment. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/138 "2016-08-03T05:08:30Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > ,\<\<\\> gall in presuming to take over and construct a government health program while having no bona fides > > \<\<\\> > > Quite a bit of it comes from her attempt to convince the nation that Bill’s Monica problem was the result of a “vast, right-wing, conspiracy”. > > \<\<\\> > > Some of it comes from her smug, superior and condescending demeanor. > > Some of it comes from her long history of lying and dishonesty in general. She routinely lies about her lies even, when caught out on them. > > Some of it comes from the perception that she and her husband rely on lawyerly tricks to thwart investigations into what is perceived as their many wrongdoings. > > Some of it is caused by the fact that she appears overly ambitious and willing to say and do anything if it will help her get to the presidency. > > \<\<\\> > > And some of it comes from the widespread belief that unless you’re on her team she’s an utter bitch. > > Put all this together and you get a candidate that a lot of people can’t stand because she comes across as a thoroughly reprehensible person. Sooo, political novice, persecution complex, smug, superior, condescending, slimy liar, lawyerly tricky, hysterical ambition, bitchy and reprehensible… You know, I might think you would have somewhat of a point, if she wasn’t running against a man who is the _physical embodiment_ of these terrible qualities. Literally. And those are his good points. The only way Trump makes sense is if you actually LIKE these qualities. Because Trump does 'em all bigger and better! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/139 "2016-08-03T05:54:33Z")
I don’t agree that Trump does all these things bigger and better than Hillary, but for the sake of discussion let’s say he does. How is that supposed to lessen in any way the things people don’t like about Hillary? If you embezzle a million dollars from your company are you any less a thief because a competitor’s employee embezzles three million? Plus Hillary’s been pissing people off for almost twenty-five years. Trump for the most part only one. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284/140 "2016-08-03T06:08:48Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’m not sure what **Mr. Starving** would make of “to feel intense and often violent antipathy toward”… Not much. > [@septimus](#): > > but he is proud to cite the Simple definitions in this dictionary so, we’ll stick with those. Proud? I posted it simply to disprove the contention that ‘detest’ always equals ‘hate’. > [@septimus](#): > > When I compare **Starving** ’s preferred defintions for detest and hate, the main, or rather only, difference is that to hate someone or something you apparently must first decide whether it is a person or a thing, but with detest (“someone or something”) **Starving** is spared the moral conundrum of deciding which category fits Ms. Clinton. One can hate or one can detest any number of things, whether a person or a thing. I hate silly off-topic arguments like this for example. > [@septimus](#): > > But you’ve still not answered my question, **Artist**. It was you who introduced the eleven synonyms. Do you _loathe_ Ms. Clinton? _Abominate_ her? I introduced them, like I said, to prove a point. I said nary a word to indicate they all pertain to me. > [@septimus](#): > > I’m going to ask the Mod to amend thread title so you don’t feel left out, e.g. “I Pit those who Hate, Detest or Loathe Hillary.” I really would like your input. Well, now you have it. I’m sure you’re disappointed, but that’s what happens when people refuse to play along when you try to put words in their mouths or assign to them motives they don’t have. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-hatred-of-hillary/761284.md?page=8)