# I pit the Houston Independent School District **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 25, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624 "2016-05-25T03:29:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/101 "2016-05-29T14:35:19Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I have to disagree with you on this. The revisionists on this issue aren’t the people who are trying to put slavery back into history (as one part of history - not all of it). The real revisionists were the people who tried to take slavery out of history in the first place. > > Here’s the true history of the Confederates that a lot of southerners want to ignore: The Confederates declared war on the United States in order to protect their right to enslave people. I don’t see anything there that a modern American should wish to honor. _Modus tollens_, **Clumpy** is not a modern American. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/102 "2016-05-29T16:24:56Z")
I realize it’s the BBQ Pit but a lot of people are merely responding with personal attacks against Clothahump rather than disputing the position he took. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/103 "2016-05-29T16:29:09Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I realize it’s the BBQ Pit but a lot of people are merely responding with personal attacks against Clothahump rather than disputing the position he took. He believes that political correctness is more evil than treason and slavery. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/104 "2016-05-29T17:33:48Z")
We can do both. It’s called “multitasking.” ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2016, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/105 "2016-05-29T17:56:37Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I realize it’s the BBQ Pit but a lot of people are merely responding with personal attacks against Clothahump rather than disputing the position he took. Disputation was completed in a single line at post 2. Clothahump does not respond to rational argument. Perhaps burying him in social disapproval might work in the long run. If neither rational argument nor social disapproval work with Clothahump, either one may influence others of his ilk. Even if the whole exercise is futile, it is good to speak out in the face of racism, and it is good to vent. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/106 "2016-05-29T19:20:54Z")
And ilk season is year-round, any weapons, no bag limit. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/107 "2016-05-29T22:04:15Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I realize it’s the BBQ Pit but a lot of people are merely responding with personal attacks against Clothahump rather than disputing the position he took. Why not? People are clearly giving **Clothahump** exactly what he is looking for: yet another chance to yell at the damn liberals that bedevil him so. After all, we’re the Worst Things Ever, and he needs an outlet to express his deep, deep anger, or else he’d probably take it out on people he actually cares about. We’re doing him a fucking _favor_. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2016, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/108 "2016-05-29T23:01:45Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Clothahump does not respond to rational argument. Perhaps burying him in social disapproval might work in the long run. If neither rational argument nor social disapproval work with Clothahump, either one may influence others of his ilk. Even if the whole exercise is futile, it is good to speak out in the face of racism, and it is good to vent. Clothahump presented a position: that schools shouldn’t spend tax money on ideological projects that don’t help in education. Some of us have responded to that topic (I don’t agree with his position) and Clothahump has responded back to us. So maybe you should give rational argument a shot. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/109 "2016-05-30T00:18:07Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Clothahump presented a position: that schools shouldn’t spend tax money on ideological projects that don’t help in education. > > Some of us have responded to that topic (I don’t agree with his position) and Clothahump has responded back to us. So maybe you should give rational argument a shot. He ignored mine. I suspect that he does NOT think HISD should accept $10M to name an elementary school after Hitler, so I think he DOES think that ideology and PC should, at times, matter enough to be worth paying for. He just doesn’t think that what Confederate leaders did was bad enough to be worth paying to remove. It’s a matter of degree, not type. But he doesn’t want to argue that because if he does, he has to come out and say that he doesn’t think slavery and treason are a really big deal, not like Nazi-ism. And then he changed his argument to “not wanting to forget history so we don’t forget it”, which is just dumb. It’s actually an argument to have Hitler High, so that we don’t forget the man. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/110 "2016-05-30T01:03:36Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So maybe you should give rational argument a shot. What, you mean like using a school named after some Confederate Dick that was still struggling before the courts a decade ago over desegregation and separate but equal? You mean that rational argument and proven example? Nah, Clothahump is too thick for rational argument. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/111 "2016-05-30T03:14:43Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > The problem with racists such as yourself, Clothahump, is that you are dumber than dog shit and your fetid little minds are impervious to proven facts that conflict with your own self-revised view of the world. Fuck. Off. Seriously. Being called a racist by an ignorant braying jackass…Muffin, just fuck off. I know it’s the Pit, but even with the freedoms in it, I can’t properly respond to your level of dickheadedness without getting a warning. P. S. If you bother to pull your head out your butt, you would be able to easily find that I have a long, long record on this board of standing behind the fact that skin color is meaningless and that we are all one race, period. But ghods forbid that reality and facts get in the way of your ignorant bias. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/112 "2016-05-30T03:16:13Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > His OP was racist, either out of ignorance or out of deliberation. His maintaining his racist position throughout the thread is out of deliberation. And as I mentioned earlier, your response was made out of sheer fucking ignorance and blithering stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/113 "2016-05-30T03:19:00Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I have to disagree with you on this. The revisionists on this issue aren’t the people who are trying to put slavery back into history (as one part of history - not all of it). The real revisionists were the people who tried to take slavery out of history in the first place. > > Here’s the true history of the Confederates that a lot of southerners want to ignore: The Confederates declared war on the United States in order to protect their right to enslave people. I don’t see anything there that a modern American should wish to honor. Who said anything about honoring it? Sweeping it under the rug is not the way to go, either. It’s history, people. These folks have a place in it, whether you like it or not. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/114 "2016-05-30T03:21:14Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Why not? People are clearly giving **Clothahump** exactly what he is looking for: yet another chance to yell at the damn liberals that bedevil him so. After all, we’re the Worst Things Ever, and he needs an outlet to express his deep, deep anger, or else he’d probably take it out on people he actually cares about. We’re doing him a fucking _favor_. No, actually, I’ve only gotten rational responses from a very few people. The rest of you are posting at a level of annoying rectal itch, with about as much intelligence as the pinworms involved. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/115 "2016-05-30T03:25:36Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Who said anything about honoring it? Sweeping it under the rug is not the way to go, either. It’s history, people. These folks have a place in it, whether you like it or not. So why do they deserve a place of honor? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/116 "2016-05-30T03:31:04Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Fuck. Off. > > Seriously. Being called a racist by an ignorant braying jackass…Muffin, just fuck off. Try that again, but this time with more spittle flying out of your mouth like a senile old coot. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/117 "2016-05-30T03:54:53Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Who said anything about honoring it? Sweeping it under the rug is not the way to go, either. It’s history, people. These folks have a place in it, whether you like it or not. But naming things like schools and streets after people is an honor. Which is why I feel these things should be renamed when we realize the subjects don’t deserve that honor - even if it costs some money to do it. Yes, we should teach about the Confederate cause in schools. We should even teach why the Confederates did what they did and explain what their viewpoint was at the time. But their time is not our time and there’s no reason why we should be honoring Confederate heroes when we no longer agree with the cause they fought for. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/118 "2016-05-30T04:05:30Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > No, actually, I’ve only gotten rational responses from a very few people. The rest of you are posting at a level of annoying rectal itch, with about as much intelligence as the pinworms involved. Have a lot of experience with the butt-worms? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/119 "2016-05-30T04:13:35Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Fuck. Off. > > Seriously. Being called a racist by an ignorant braying jackass…Muffin, just fuck off. > > I know it’s the Pit, but even with the freedoms in it, I can’t properly respond to your level of dickheadedness without getting a warning. > > P. S. If you bother to pull your head out your butt, you would be able to easily find that I have a long, long record on this board of standing behind the fact that skin color is meaningless and that we are all one race, period. But ghods forbid that reality and facts get in the way of your ignorant bias. Says the racist who made a Buckwheat crack at a black person. Or were you so stupid that you did not understand what you said, and therefore you excuse your racism with your stupidity? Just as you may be too stupid to realize that you are a racist who prefers that students spend their time in schools that honour people who fought against the students’ country so as to own the students’ families and eventually own those same students who are in those schools today. You don’t like being called a racist? Stop conducting yourself as a racist. Hey, it’s your thread, so deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624/120 "2016-05-30T05:18:37Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Fuck. Off. > > Seriously. Being called a racist by an ignorant braying jackass…Muffin, just fuck off. > > I know it’s the Pit, but even with the freedoms in it, I can’t properly respond to your level of dickheadedness without getting a warning. > > P. S. If you bother to pull your head out your butt, you would be able to easily find that I have a long, long record on this board of standing behind the fact that skin color is meaningless and that we are all one race, period. But ghods forbid that reality and facts get in the way of your ignorant bias. Wait…you have no problem saying “fuck” repeatedly, but you won’t say “ass?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-houston-independent-school-district/755624.md?page=7)