# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 105
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2081 "2012-08-01T17:53:35Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Never have yet. Not true. You attributed a position on gerrymandering to me. When called on it, you devised some sort of retroactive test for me to prove that I’m not in favor of gerrymandering. In short, you’re a liar and you are more than willing to count a victory owed to your dishonesty as legitimate. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2082 "2012-08-01T17:58:28Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > “He did it too,” is not the defense. > > “They did it too, **and you don’t care** ,” is the defense. They didn’t do it too, liar. There are two things you’re attempting to draw equivalence to for partisan purposes: _A state senate flipping who chooses a replacement US Senator_ and _a series of voter ID laws that poorly combat a non-existent problem for partisan gain and in the process make it harder for millions of Americans to vote._ Now either you’re stupid enough to honestly think those things are the same, or you’re dishonest enough to pretend so. I know why you’re acting like this. It’s embarrassing how bad you got your ass-whupped in this thread. You looked like a blubbering fool. So all you have left now is to strut in “victory” and hope we don’t notice that you’re not wearing any clothes. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2083 "2012-08-01T18:12:25Z")
Oh, thanks for that image! In my minds eye, I picture **Bricker** as looking like the twin brother of Gomez in the original _New Yorker_ cartoons of the Addams Family. Now, I see him nekkid. When I calculate the cost of the cheap tequila and bongwater required to expunge that image, I will bill you. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2084 "2012-08-01T18:15:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, thanks for that image! In my minds eye, I picture **Bricker** as looking like the twin brother of Gomez in the original _New Yorker_ cartoons of the Addams Family. Now, I see him nekkid. When I calculate the cost of the cheap tequila and bongwater required to expunge that image, I will bill you. If you’re gonna bill me, you should at least share. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2085 "2012-08-01T22:58:37Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > They didn’t do it too, liar. > > There are two things you’re attempting to draw equivalence to for partisan purposes: > > _A state senate flipping who chooses a replacement US Senator_ and _a series of voter ID laws that poorly combat a non-existent problem for partisan gain and in the process make it harder for millions of Americans to vote._ > > Now either you’re stupid enough to honestly think those things are the same, or you’re dishonest enough to pretend so. > > I know why you’re acting like this. It’s embarrassing how bad you got your ass-whupped in this thread. You looked like a blubbering fool. So all you have left now is to strut in “victory” and hope we don’t notice that you’re not wearing any clothes. Yup. Cause I won. After all, your ultimate goal is that these laws don’t exist. Mine is that they coexist. It’s not at all complicated to see that I have won. Naked, clothed, who cares? Question is: are the laws in effect? Yes? Good. I win. Blab all you like. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2086 "2012-08-01T23:03:15Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > (Unless, of course, you think that what the Dems did in MA is just fine, in which case I withdraw the irony.) Again I’ll need more time to respond in detail, but I will quickly highlight this to say: they acted legally. I don’t like the result, but the process was followed ad the people of Massachusetts have a ready remedy. So while I don’t think it’s “fine,” neither do I think it’s illegitimate. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2087 "2012-08-01T23:21:44Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yup. Cause I won. I’m sure you think your declarations of victory upset me, but I like them, because they illustrate how vile you are. > [@](#): > > After all, your ultimate goal is that these laws don’t exist. Mine is that they coexist. My goal is for equal treatment under the law. Yours is to lie and cheat your political enemies into losing elections. You’re a hypocrite, Bricker. Especially since you call yourself a Christian. > [@](#): > > It’s not at all complicated to see that I have won. Naked, clothed, who cares? Question is: are the laws in effect? > > Yes? > > Good. I win. Blab all you like. Good luck with that. Also, liar, how about you address your lie about my supporting gerrymandering? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2088 "2012-08-02T00:11:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Did you read the link I was responding to? I read both the Thinkprogress link and the Brennan Center report. I didn’t really find anything too crazy about either. It’s certainly a pessimistic view, but if it’s true that 750,000 eligible voters don’t currently have sufficient voter ID under the new law, it seems impossible that they’ll all be able to get it in time, which means there’s a large population of registered voters who, because of the new law, won’t be able to vote this November in Pennsylvania…all people who could have voted before this law came into effect, and who are otherwise legally eligible to vote under Pennsylvania and federal law. We’re not talking about illegal immigrants, felons, or dead people. The problem is, this voter ID law isn’t just stopping voter fraud. It looks like it’s going to stop actual legitimate voters. And I don’t see why that doesn’t bother you. It’s important to stop fraudulent voting, and improve confidence in the electoral system. I fully agree with that. But a law like this reduces confidence in the electoral system, because people will come to the polls, people who have every right to expect to vote, who have been voting without problems, and be turned away. And you’ll get what you’re seeing in this thread. There will be people who will see the Voter ID laws as just yet another attempt to rig the system for partisan advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2089 "2012-08-02T00:28:47Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > I read both the Thinkprogress link and the Brennan Center report. I didn’t really find anything too crazy about either. It’s certainly a pessimistic view, but if it’s true that 750,000 eligible voters don’t currently have sufficient voter ID under the new law, it seems impossible that they’ll all be able to get it in time, which means there’s a large population of registered voters who, because of the new law, won’t be able to vote this November in Pennsylvania…all people who could have voted before this law came into effect, and who are otherwise legally eligible to vote under Pennsylvania and federal law. We’re not talking about illegal immigrants, felons, or dead people. The problem is, this voter ID law isn’t just stopping voter fraud. It looks like it’s going to stop actual legitimate voters. > > And I don’t see why that doesn’t bother you. It’s important to stop fraudulent voting, and improve confidence in the electoral system. I fully agree with that. But a law like this reduces confidence in the electoral system, because people will come to the polls, people who have every right to expect to vote, who have been voting without problems, and be turned away. And you’ll get what you’re seeing in this thread. There will be people who will see the Voter ID laws as just yet another attempt to rig the system for partisan advantage. My point in response is that similar percentages of people in Indiana were alleged to lack photo ID, and Indiana did not suffers the chaos predicted in the Thinkprogress link. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2090 "2012-08-02T00:29:53Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’m sure you think your declarations of victory upset me, but I like them, because they illustrate how vile you are. > > My goal is for equal treatment under the law. Yours is to lie and cheat your political enemies into losing elections. You’re a hypocrite, Bricker. Especially since you call yourself a Christian. > > Good luck with that. > Also, liar, how about you address your lie about my supporting gerrymandering? Shut up, goatsucker. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2091 "2012-08-02T00:32:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Shut up, goatsucker. I’m not a hundred percent sure that I’ve actually touched a goat. But I can’t say for sure that I’ve never sucked one, you never know what’s on the other side of that glory hole. So, you’re just gonna not address your lies? Interesting strategy, that. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2092 "2012-08-02T00:41:21Z")
I see cited evidence that the Indiana voter id laws were upheld in court. The actual effect, if any, on the voting population is not cited so far as I can tell. I would probably like some cite on that even if your credibility were not such a sad and broken thing. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2093 "2012-08-02T00:52:17Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > In short, you’re a liar and you are more than willing to count a victory owed to your dishonesty as legitimate. Thanks for admitting my victory. Now hush. Important people are talking. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2094 "2012-08-02T00:55:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Thanks for admitting my victory. Thanks for admitting that you have no defense for your lies. I’ll be pointing to this thread every time you claim you’re not a liar from now on. 😃 > [@](#): > > Now hush. Important people are talking. Oh, 'Luci’s okay with me talking, don’t worry. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2095 "2012-08-02T01:04:25Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Thanks for admitting that you have no defense for your lies. I’ll be pointing to this thread every time you claim you’re not a liar from now on. 😃 Gosh, I hope you do that. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2096 "2012-08-02T01:07:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Gosh, I hope you do that. You’re right. I’d hate to show off how amazing you come off in this thread. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2097 "2012-08-02T01:19:20Z")
Point of order. **Bricker** , you aren’t allowed to randomly spout “Winning!” in a thread until you’ve cited at least one experiment involving a household product of some sort. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2098 "2012-08-02T01:28:48Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Point of order. **Bricker** , you aren’t allowed to randomly spout “Winning!” in a thread until you’ve cited at least one experiment involving a household product of some sort. How about, “Won?” ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2099 "2012-08-02T01:42:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > How about, “Won?” Just as accurate. I’d say go with it, if it suits you. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2100 "2012-08-02T02:44:14Z")
Come to think on it, I guess I wouldn’t be that surprised if there had been no major furor in Indiana or anywhere else, for that matter. After all, that was the original plan, in my estimation. To trim the voter rolls of some Dem leaning voters, but not too many to get real obvious about it. Only people who would be adversely affected are brown, black, poor or otherwise powerless, so who cares what they think? Wouldn’t get a lot of press attention, nobody would much care. The plan was designed by smart and cynical Republicans. Only problem, they handed it off to the rest of the Republicans to implement. Chain is only as strong as its weakest dink. Perhaps that cite **Bricker** is just about to offer may give us an insight into that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=104) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=106)