# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 112
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2221 "2012-08-08T09:07:28Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > Are you aware that Obama and the DNC don’t actually want to restrict anything? Yeah, I was just referring to [this comment](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8). ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2222 "2012-08-13T18:56:36Z")
I hate to resurrect this thread, since Bricker was hoping we’d all forget about it, but this seems like it belongs here: From: [Michael Tomasky on How the GOP Plans to Block the Black Vote](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/13/michael-tomasky-on-how-the-gop-plans-to-block-the-black-vote.html) > [@](#): > > “There’s no doubt that what the Republican-led legislature in Florida and Governor Scott are trying to do is make sure the Republican Party has an advantage in this upcoming election by reducing early voting and putting roadblocks up for potential voters, Latinos, African-Americans to register and then to exercise their right to vote. There’s no doubt. I was in the room. It’s part of the strategy.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2223 "2012-08-13T19:02:49Z")
Pretty sure we touched on that, **Lobo**. His testimony is damning, to be sure, and I for one am inclined to believe him, but he’s got all kinds of legal problems about corruption and shit, and even if he didn’t, its anecdotal, and doesn’t rise to the level of absolute credibility of **Bricker’s** revelations about the CASA Conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2224 "2012-08-13T19:05:55Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Pretty sure we touched on that, **Lobo**. His testimony is damning, to be sure, and I for one am inclined to believe him, but he’s got all kinds of legal problems about corruption and shit, and even if he didn’t, its anecdotal, and doesn’t rise to the level of absolute credibility of **Bricker’s** revelations about the CASA Conspiracy. Ah, I must have missed it. Or perhaps just forgot. Either way, hopefully Bricker will finally catch those illegal voters. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2225 "2012-08-13T23:10:33Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I hate to resurrect this thread, since Bricker was hoping we’d all forget about it, but this seems like it belongs here: > > From: [Michael Tomasky on How the GOP Plans to Block the Black Vote](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/13/michael-tomasky-on-how-the-gop-plans-to-block-the-black-vote.html) Much more reliable than your usual sources, since he’s just an accused felon so far. I’m sure you will count on his vote after he’s a convicted felon, as you always do for convicted felons. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2226 "2012-08-13T23:26:12Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Much more reliable than your usual sources, since he’s just an accused felon so far. I’m sure you will count on his vote after he’s a convicted felon, as you always do for convicted felons. I’m not particularly in favor of felons not being able to vote, but they certainly shouldn’t if that’s the law. Are you lying about my position again, Bricker? How typical. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2227 "2012-08-13T23:31:01Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’m not particularly in favor of felons not being able to vote, but they certainly shouldn’t if that’s the law. > > Are you lying about my position again, Bricker? How typical. You, personally, want the Democrats to benefit from illegal votes, both from non-citizens and felons. You crave it. You live for it. It’s obvious – no need to deny it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2228 "2012-08-13T23:42:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You, personally, want the Democrats to benefit from illegal votes, both from non-citizens and felons. You crave it. You live for it. It’s obvious – no need to deny it. But none of those things are true. I think a person’s vote is very, very important. Which is why I’m against the voter ID laws that are an attempt to make it more difficult for likely Democrats to vote. I’d be against those laws if they made it harder for Republicans to vote. It’s just wrong. Why do you support those laws, even though you know that voter fraud is all but non-existent in this country? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2229 "2012-08-14T00:54:41Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You, personally, want the Democrats to benefit from illegal votes, both from non-citizens and felons. You crave it. You live for it. It’s obvious – no need to deny it. Well, this is it, this is the stupidest fucking thing you’ve ever said, and that includes “I do”. I hope you’re just yanking **Lobo** ’s chain, but more for your sake than ours, ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2230 "2012-08-14T01:00:04Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Why do you support those laws, even though you know that voter fraud is all but non-existent in this country? 45 pages and you haven’t figure it out yet? You want it repeated for the 50th or so time? Masochistic. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2231 "2012-08-14T01:09:56Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > 45 pages and you haven’t figure it out yet? You want it repeated for the 50th or so time? Masochistic. Lucy never gets tired of holding that football. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2232 "2012-08-14T04:52:30Z")
A question (I apologize if this has been asked before, but this is a LONG thread). How would those on the conservative/Republican side rate their agreement with this statement: no matter what reasons politicians put forth for voter ID laws, and no matter why many voters and constituents think it’s a good idea, there is a significant number of politicians who introduced these laws for the primary purpose of benefiting themselves or their party in future elections by making it harder for those statistically likely to vote for their opponents to vote. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2233 "2012-08-14T05:02:39Z")
I get the Miami feed for a CBS affiliate, there is a local story there about hundreds of absentee ballots being found on a woman that worked for a political campaign. They have arrested her and the case is ongoing, I’m surprised this hasn’t been mentioned in any of these voter ID threads yet. An actual case of maybe voter fraud in Florida of all places and no one is interested? ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2234 "2012-08-14T05:24:24Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > You’re all worthless motherfucking liars with the civic virtue of a sewer-rat’s tapeworm. “Voter fraud” is a non-problem and you **know** it. The Dems don’t want undocumented immigrants to vote any more than you do, and you know that, too. This is all about disfranchising the poor and minorities. Shame on you all, and STFU forever. Hahaha, nice wind up **BrainGlutton**! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2235 "2012-08-14T10:49:47Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > But none of those things are true. I think a person’s vote is very, very important. Which is why I’m against the voter ID laws that are an attempt to make it more difficult for likely Democrats to vote. I’d be against those laws if they made it harder for Republicans to vote. It’s just wrong. > > Why do you support those laws, even though you know that voter fraud is all but non-existent in this country? Sure they are. You, personally, want the Democrats to benefit from illegal alien votes, from convicted felon votes, from voter impersonation votes… from any and all illegal methods of accuring votes. It’s absolutely obvious. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2236 "2012-08-14T11:31:09Z")
OK. got it, its **Bricker** being all arch and cutey-pie, yanking on\*\* Lobo’s\*\* chain. Doesn’t really believe it, and even if he did, wouldn’t actually say it. Imply, insinuate, and suggest, sure, but actually say it, no way. Lawyer humor, one of the reasons they are so widely beloved. Adorable. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2237 "2012-08-14T13:47:17Z")
[More today](http://bostonglobe.com/metro/massachusetts/2012/08/13/hampden-district-attorney-investigating-alleged-voter-fraud-east-longmeadow/03AXyF5j1xA0r6WS3BRe1L/story.html) on the Rove tactic of pre-emptively accusing the other party of what you’re doing yourself, to ward off criticism: > [@](#): > > The district attorney in Hampden County is investigating whether a Republican candidate for state representative orchestrated an illegal scheme to cast absentee ballots on behalf of hundreds of voters in hope of winning a primary election. > > State election officials were tipped off to the potential voter fraud when a suspiciously large number of residents of the Springfield suburb of East Longmeadow suddenly changed party registration from Democrat to independent, making them eligible to vote in the upcoming Republican primary. > > When contacted, several of the voters said they had not changed party affiliations, raising concern that someone had switched their party in an attempt to cast fraudulent absentee ballots on their behalf. Only because the Republicans got greedy did this come to light. And no ID law would have prevented it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2238 "2012-08-14T14:27:58Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Sure they are. You, personally, want the Democrats to benefit from illegal alien votes, from convicted felon votes, from voter impersonation votes… from any and all illegal methods of accuring votes. It’s absolutely obvious. I suspect your conflicting drives of being a sociopath at the same time you are a true believer in the teachings of Christ have finally taken their toll on your capacity for reason. I’m sorry you hate me so much you have to lie. I’m sorry that losing this argument has hurt you so deeply. I really hope that you get better and that in the future, you can get closer to the ideals you hold dear. \<3 Oh, I was thinking of a new signature line you could use, tell me what you think: > [@](#): > > In Jesus Christ, the whole of horn of God’s truth has been made manifest. “Full of grace and truth,” he came as the “light of the world,” he is the Truth.(John 1:14, 8:12, cf. 14:6) “Whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.” (John 12:46) The disciple of Jesus continues in his word so as to know “the truth [that] will make you free” and that sanctifies. (John 8:32, cf. 17:17) To follow Jesus is to live in “the Spirit of truth,” whom the Father sends in his name and who leads “into all the truth.”(John 16:13) To his disciples Jesus teaches the unconditional love of truth: “Let what you say be simply ‘Yes or No.’”(Matthew 5:37) > > [RIGHT]— The Catholic Catechism[/RIGHT] 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2239 "2012-08-15T01:23:38Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I really hope that you get better and that in the future, you can get closer to the ideals you hold And, of course, pretty much every reader knows that this sentiment is as phony as the rest of the crap you write. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/2240 "2012-08-15T01:29:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And, of course, pretty much every reader knows that this sentiment is as phony as the rest of the crap you write. Actually, I try not to lie. I honestly do wish you’d hold the ideals you pretend to. You’d be a better person and the world would be a better place. It would be preferable to that, that you go full liberal, but I try to keep my wishes in the realm of possible. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=111) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=113)