# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 191
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3801 "2013-11-06T22:43:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Asked and answered a zillion times, but since you’re you:… If I’ve told you once, I’ve told you a million times, don’t exaggerate! > [@](#): > > …1. I deny that any meaningful effect exists… Then the law had no effect at all? Then why do it? The guys who did this, they said “Well, this will have no effect at all, but what the heck, we’ve nothing better to do”? Seems unlikely. > [@](#): > > …2. If such an effect were real, it certainly could be proven… OK, how? What would you accept as proof. You don’t accept Nate Silver’s analysis, who’s would you accept? It is entirely possible that such an effect would be slight, and hence difficult to detect. I think, and have so stated, the originally the voter id laws were only meant to trim a few points from the Dem rolls. Which still would not have been a legitimate use of legislative power. > [@](#): > > …3. It has NOT been proven… Again, what evidence would you accept? After all, you deny it has any “meaningful effect”, which leaves us to wonder if you think the Republicans stupid, to waste their time on a useless and empty gesture. > [@](#): > > …4. Even if such an effect existed, I say it should be ignored as an example of believing in voodoo. (If I paid for a TV ad in which I announced that I was placing a voodoo curse on every voter who dared to vote Democratic, and you subsequently proved that my ad affected turnout rates for Democratic voters, I’d say, “Tough shit. If they’re so stupid as to believe in voodoo, that’s not something the law needs to address and correct.”) I don’t recall any Constitutional clause that approves disenfranchising the stupid. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3802 "2013-11-07T00:26:08Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > 1. Even if such an effect existed, I say it should be ignored as an example of believing in voodoo. (If I paid for a TV ad in which I announced that I was placing a voodoo curse on every voter who dared to vote Democratic, and you subsequently proved that my ad affected turnout rates for Democratic voters, I’d say, “Tough shit. If they’re so stupid as to believe in voodoo, that’s not something the law needs to address and correct.”) You keep bringing this point up. If my party leaders passed a law with some flimsy pretext, and the law stated that the only polling place in a particular district would be in the lobby of a hospital, and I knew that a bunch of the Republicans in this district were members of a cult which had a rule that they could not go into hospitals, I would OPPOSE THAT LAW. I would NOT be all “well, it’s popular and there’s a pretext and at least SOME of the people who proposed MIGHT not be venally corrupt”. That law would be UNAMERICAN and I would NOT SUPPORT IT. Why do you find that so shocking? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3803 "2013-11-07T01:20:16Z")
If I may also chime in, I would also oppose voting-day shenanigans even if they tended to support an end I liked, and if shenanigans happened to be written into law, I would oppose that law. Bricker, you might want to take notes as this might be a new concept for you- principles. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3804 "2013-11-07T01:28:50Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, you’ve been given evidence of election influences larger than voter fraud and I don’t recall you commenting on how they affect your confidence. Heck, you invoked Washington State 2006 (sorry, I meant 2004) as an example of voter fraud as a possible influence in a very close election, except that when I looked into it I saw there while there were _claims_ of hundreds of bad votes (confidence-shattering!), there was _evidence_ of an equal or greater number of mishandled votes (confidence-neutral, I guess). > > I’m shocked - _shocked!_\* - that a cite you provided demonstrates selective interpretation on your part. > > Speaking of which, how did you get from this: > > to this: > > Selectivity again? > > \*Well, not _that_ shocked. Are you so thick-headed as to really believe that I invoked Washington State 2004 as an example of actual voter fraud? Really? After the many times I said I wasn’t claiming actual voter fraud? No, you’re not. So this is simply a strawmanning tactic, consistent with your mission to mock, right? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3805 "2013-11-07T01:32:12Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > You keep bringing this point up. > > If my party leaders passed a law with some flimsy pretext, and the law stated that the only polling place in a particular district would be in the lobby of a hospital, and I knew that a bunch of the Republicans in this district were members of a cult which had a rule that they could not go into hospitals, I would OPPOSE THAT LAW. I would NOT be all “well, it’s popular and there’s a pretext and at least SOME of the people who proposed MIGHT not be venally corrupt”. That law would be UNAMERICAN and I would NOT SUPPORT IT. > Why do you find that so shocking? I don’t. But if the law had valid reasons to support it, and those reasons were neutral on its face, then you’d be quite justified in supporting it. Now, if you’re saying you’d still piously oppose the law, even so… I’m glad for this insight into your character, but I’m not sure I believe your opposition would be all that vigorous. Because when the Democrats have the legislative power and push through changes that clearly and completely benefit them – like the appointing of a senator to a vacant seat being the governor’s power only when the governor is a Democrat – I son’t see much in the way of outrage from you. So, sure, perhaps you were privately outraged. Good for you. But it’s certainly fair to say you haven’t spent a tenth as much time communicating your outrage on that point here on the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3806 "2013-11-07T01:35:59Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If I may also chime in, I would also oppose voting-day shenanigans even if they tended to support an end I liked, and if shenanigans happened to be written into law, I would oppose that law. > > Bricker, you might want to take notes as this might be a new concept for you- principles. Suuuure. Point me to all those posts you made showing your opposition to Massachusetts’ governor-power-swap shenanigans. Or did you mean you’d also oppose that law, but not ever really mention or talk about your opposition, but you’d seethe on the _inside_, with your rage burning like the fire of 1,000 really weak suns, not suns, come to think of it, more like firecrackers, or maybe sparklers, wet sparklers, really not even proper sparklers at all, and when you say 1,000, you mean one? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3807 "2013-11-07T02:17:41Z")
As an incidental note, and this post will be my only mention of it as it might be hijackish, if Bricker is martyring himself by posting here in this liberal bastion because it’s all cruciblish and shit, I invite him to tell me the name (privately) of a more conservative board he knows of where he gets unchallenging praise and agreement. I’ll register there under my real name with no mention of this board or Bricker’s referral and see if I can face the fearsome dragon of a politically opposed crucible and maybe be as heroically nobly martyrish as our friend Bricker. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3808 "2013-11-07T02:36:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Suuuure. > > Point me to all those posts you made showing your opposition to Massachusetts’ governor-power-swap shenanigans. This post will bring my total up to…well… one. They shouldna done that. That’s blatantly corrupt partisan bullshit. Got anything else I’ve been neglecting to weigh in on? Maybe bronies or Tibetan lottery systems or Venezuelan fishing rights? > [@](#): > > Or did you mean you’d also oppose that law, but not ever really mention or talk about your opposition, but you’d seethe on the _inside_, with your rage burning like the fire of 1,000 really weak suns, not suns, come to think of it, more like firecrackers, or maybe sparklers, wet sparklers, really not even proper sparklers at all, and when you say 1,000, you mean one? You’re not a fraction as funny as I am. I vaguely recall seeing the Massachusetts Appointment Shuffle mentioned a few times, but this is the first time my opinion has been requested (well, not really requested, more like assumed). Truth be told, it’s hard to summon much outrage. The situation is significantly different than fucking with the franchise. Frankly, I was a little surprised that a state legislature, any state legislature, had control over what I’d thought was uniformly the purview of the governor. Are there other states that do this? This is more of a minor educational moment for me, rather than some kind of litmus test of my liberalness. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3809 "2013-11-07T02:40:40Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > …Because when the Democrats have the legislative power and push through changes that clearly and completely benefit them – like the appointing of a senator to a vacant seat being the governor’s power only when the governor is a Democrat – I son’t see much in the way of outrage from you. So, sure, perhaps you were privately outraged. Good for you. But it’s certainly fair to say you haven’t spent a tenth as much time communicating your outrage on that point here on the SDMB. OK, that makes 80 references to “liberal hypocrisy” by **Bricker** in this thread. Those of you who bet the “under 80” in the pool can tear up your tickets. “Neener-neener” is not yet resolved. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3810 "2013-11-07T02:54:30Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Are you so thick-headed as to really believe that I invoked Washington State 2004 as an example of actual voter fraud? Huh, silly me for assuming that if you mentioned something, it was because you thought it was relevant. My mistake for presuming integrity on your part. > [@](#): > > Really? After the many times I said I wasn’t claiming actual voter fraud? So why DID you mention it in the first place? > [@](#): > > No, you’re not. So this is simply a strawmanning tactic, consistent with your mission to mock, right? Well, you’re so mockable it’s hard to resist, but I get my reasoned arguments in there when I need to. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3811 "2013-11-07T03:58:16Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > OK, that makes 80 references to “liberal hypocrisy” by **Bricker** in this thread. Those of you who bet the “under 80” in the pool can tear up your tickets. “Neener-neener” is not yet resolved. I demand a recount, I lack confidence! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3812 "2013-11-07T04:24:18Z")
I _told_ you not to take “under”! ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3813 "2013-11-07T05:58:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Now, if you’re saying you’d still piously oppose the law, even so… I’m glad for this insight into your character, but I’m not sure I believe your opposition would be all that vigorous. What does that even mean in this context? If such a thing happened, and I were asked my opinion, I would say “I wish that had not happened, it was wrong for the democrats to do it”. Would I be out marching against it? Would I be changing party affiliations over it? No. But why would anyone expect me to? If, instead of vocally championing voter ID laws, your response had been mild disappointment in what you saw as a sleazy act on the part of the party you support, and then you’d just never said anything about it one way or the other on the SDMB, no one would be hounding you and insisting that you turn in your metaphorical flag pin. > [@](#): > > Because when the Democrats have the legislative power and push through changes that clearly and completely benefit them – like the appointing of a senator to a vacant seat being the governor’s power only when the governor is a Democrat – I son’t see much in the way of outrage from you. So, sure, perhaps you were privately outraged. Good for you. But it’s certainly fair to say you haven’t spent a tenth as much time communicating your outrage on that point here on the SDMB. Oh. For. Fuck’s. Sake. I can’t believe you’re still trying to get mileage out of that one ridiculous example. There are two MASSIVE reasons why that comparison fails: (1) You have no idea what my opinion of that issue is, because I haven’t commented on it. You want to be able to read into it that I heard about it and was totally cool with it because, hey, it was Democrats. But that is utterly baseless. There are dozens of different reasons why you might never have seen me comment on that issue, many of them completely compatible with my being able to criticize Democrats when criticism is due them. Now, if you were genuinely curious about my position, and you asked, I might research the issue enough to feel confident stating a position. But instead you started out by insultingly implying that I was a hypocrite, at which point, what’s the point of my even having an honest opinion, if you’re just going to assign one to me? (2) Voter ID laws and the Massachusetts issue are NOT particularly comparable. They have vague similarities at best. Seriously… it’s just kind of sad to see you trotting this out Yet Again, hoping against hope that it will somehow win you points this time. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3814 "2013-11-07T06:57:58Z")
Still, its a very remarkable demonstration of memory. I can barely remember what I had for breakfast, **Bricker** can remember _every word you ever said_! Now that is very impressive! And just a little creepy. No, wait, actually, I _can’t_ remember what I had for breakfast. Maybe I’ll ask the goldfish. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3815 "2013-11-07T07:09:00Z")
Bad news, man. You ate the goldfish. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3816 "2013-11-07T14:20:44Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > What does that even mean in this context? If such a thing happened, and I were asked my opinion, I would say “I wish that had not happened, it was wrong for the democrats to do it”. Would I be out marching against it? Would I be changing party affiliations over it? No. But why would anyone expect me to? If, instead of vocally championing voter ID laws, your response had been mild disappointment in what you saw as a sleazy act on the part of the party you support, and then you’d just never said anything about it one way or the other on the SDMB, no one would be hounding you and insisting that you turn in your metaphorical flag pin. > > Oh. For. Fuck’s. Sake. > > I can’t believe you’re still trying to get mileage out of that one ridiculous example. There are two MASSIVE reasons why that comparison fails: > (1) You have no idea what my opinion of that issue is, because I haven’t commented on it. You want to be able to read into it that I heard about it and was totally cool with it because, hey, it was Democrats. But that is utterly baseless. There are dozens of different reasons why you might never have seen me comment on that issue, many of them completely compatible with my being able to criticize Democrats when criticism is due them. Now, if you were genuinely curious about my position, and you asked, I might research the issue enough to feel confident stating a position. But instead you started out by insultingly implying that I was a hypocrite, at which point, what’s the point of my even having an honest opinion, if you’re just going to assign one to me? > (2) Voter ID laws and the Massachusetts issue are NOT particularly comparable. They have vague similarities at best. > > Seriously… it’s just kind of sad to see you trotting this out Yet Again, hoping against hope that it will somehow win you points this time. So to sum up. You’re um, possibly against it, if you had time to think about it, not that you’ve ever heard of it before, and no one should assume anything about any failures to mention it before, even if you heard me mention it before, which you really haven’t. Oh, and I should stop bringing this up repeatedly. And stop trying to tie Democrats using their legislative majority to stack the deck with Republicans using their legislative majority to stack the deck, because the two are at best only slightly comparable. And another thing – how dare I? You seriously don’t have the slightest bit of shame in claiming piously how outraged you’d be even if your own side did something like this, and then posting the comments above? Really? Not the least twinge? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3817 "2013-11-07T15:01:54Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Prehaps the solution is to come up with a few “justifiable” voting initiatives of out own. > > A couple that come to mind: > > In order to save tax payer money it makes sense to place voting sites in the areas of densest population. Therefor we can close all rural and suburban sites and concentrate the sites in the inner cities where the greatest population can be served. While it may mean that those in outlying areas, which by an amazing coincidence happen to be mostly Republicans, might be inconvenienced by having to make a 2 hour drive into a major city to vote is a small price to pay for increased government efficiency. If they are too lazy to make the commute they shouldn’t be voting anyway. > > As a second idea, given the increased danger of terrorist attack we should have security at all voting precincts. This would be cost prohibitive except for the generous assistance of a well known civic organizations who has offered the use of their members free of charge. As a result we will be sure to have two big beefy members of the black panthers armed with billy clubs at the entrances of each voting location carefully scrutinizing all those who come in. Any reduced turnout as a result of these measures were probably just terrorists anyway, so it’s all good. > > I don’t see how anyone could object to either of these solutions as they both have very sensible non-partisan justification, and don’t disenfranchise anyone. Here’s the problem with your solutions is that it is a false analogy. The issue at hand is whether or not a person should have to prove they are legally entitled to vote and the disenfranchisement/fraud that may result from that. For example, under the Voter’s Rights Act one does not have to prove citizenship, just say they are. Does that reduce disenfrachisement at the cost of fraud? Does Voter ID reduce fraud at the cost of disenfranchisment? Are people disenfranchised by their choice (I could get photo ID but I don’t) or the state’s choice (making it extremely difficult to establish ID). Your examples deal with access to voting places (assuming you are legally entitled to vote) so is the tread were about a Republican county board of supervisors repairing roads in a Democrat precinct on election day or a Democrat county “having a computer error” and didn’t sent out ballots to Republicans then your analogies would be appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3818 "2013-11-07T15:16:00Z")
The issue is citizenship? I thought the issue was identity. So, this is all about the vast CASA conspiracy to sneak in illegal aliens to vote for Democrats? Outside of friend **Bricker’s** unimpeachable testimony, referenced above, have you any evidence of that? Be advised that paranoid fever dreams do not constitute evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3819 "2013-11-07T15:29:37Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Your examples deal with access to voting places (assuming you are legally entitled to vote) so is the tread were about a Republican county board of supervisors repairing roads in a Democrat precinct on election day or a Democrat county “having a computer error” and didn’t sent out ballots to Republicans then your analogies would be appropriate. I don’t see the distinction being that great. Requiring an ID to vote and making the ID difficult to get for some voters strikes me squarely as an “access” issue. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3820 "2013-11-07T15:54:16Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > … The issue at hand is whether or not a person should have to prove they are legally entitled to vote and the disenfranchisement/fraud that may result from that. \ NO! For whatever umpteenth reiteration – the citizenship issue is addressed _at the time of voter registration_, in different ways in different jurisdictions. Some voters’ registrar (by whatever title) must be satisfied at the citizenship of each and every applicant, using whatever criteria have been established by state law. Qualifications for registration as a voter (including but not limited to citizenship) **are not addressed by these voter ID laws** , which only address the non-existent problem of in-person voter substitution fraud. These laws are simply and exclusively about access to the voting booth by people who are _already qualified as voters_ and thus are _legally entitled to vote_. Please keep this in mind and stop repeating that stupid argument. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=190) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=192)