# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 198
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3941 "2014-02-27T05:00:49Z")
The NAACP doesn’t want people who march with them to vote? Da fuq? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3942 "2014-02-27T12:14:09Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Wow…I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Google search that goes all the way back to the sixth page before a neutral source shows up. That’s a metric fuckton of right-wing nutso carrying that story. > > Incidentally, “suggestion” does not equal “requirement”. And “attending a protest” does not equal “casting a vote”. And the NAACP isn’t the government. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3943 "2014-02-27T20:26:21Z")
Seems prudent to me. When engaging in a protest march there is a non-zero chance that you are going to be arrested. In that case, having a photo ID on you will save a lot of aggravation. However, given the nature of the protest people may see leaving their IDs at home a act of solidarity. So having a memo that encouraging those that have IDs to bring them makes sense. Also civil rights protests have more impact if you can get members of a non-effected group to join the protest. If a gay right’s march is composed entirely of homosexuals than it can be just written off as just selfishness of a vocal minority. But if you can get a large number of “straight but not narrow” to participate it will demonstrate that there is a larger issue at stake. So having people who actually have IDs at the march may serve the same purpose. In order to find out the actual motivation for that suggestion you will have to ask the NAACP organizer who put it out. In any case there doesn’t seem to be anything saying that those without IDs will be prevented from joining the march, so claiming its just as bad as requiring IDs to vote is false equivalence. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3944 "2014-02-27T20:45:52Z")
In fact [here we go](http://nclbc.com/2014/02/lewis-march-organizers-hypocritical-on-voter-id/). > [@](#): > > Barber said that ID is not a requirement to participate in the marches. > > “To prepare participants, we have always recommended various security measures, including looking out for the elderly, remaining calm in the face of any altercation, and bringing a photo ID for safety reasons,” and I only had to page through 8 pages of google searches of right wingers claiming IDs were being **required** to march in order to find it. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3945 "2014-02-27T20:58:47Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > and I only had to page through 8 pages of google searches of right wingers claiming IDs were being **required** to march in order to find it. It’s kind of awe-inspiring if you don’t think about how stupid it is. I don’t think I’ve ever had to go that deep in a Google search to find a neutral cite. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3946 "2014-02-27T22:51:42Z")
> [@Pidril\_Pidrilych](#): > > NAACP requires marchers protesting North Carolina voter ID law to carry a photo ID on them at all times. > > Just when you think the bigotry, stupidity and outright hypocrisy of the left reached a new low… SRMOTD Stupid Republican Misinformation Of The Day SRFBLOTD Stupid Republican Fucking Blatant Lie Of The Day ---
**Author:** ![Pidril\_Pidrilych](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@Pidril\_Pidrilych](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pidril_Pidrilych)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3947 "2014-02-28T01:11:08Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Incidentally, “suggestion” does not equal “requirement”. And “attending a protest” does not equal “casting a vote”. Exactly. “Casting a vote” is way more important than “attending a protest”. If “carrying ID” is “suggested” for one, then clearly, it should be more than suggested for the other. But I do like the level of insane rationalization you had to go through to justify unjustifiable… The equivalent would be a MADD (mothers against drunk driving) gathering, where it’s suggested to attendees that they show up to meeting drunk. ---
**Author:** ![Pidril\_Pidrilych](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@Pidril\_Pidrilych](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pidril_Pidrilych)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3948 "2014-02-28T01:24:38Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > In fact [here we go](http://nclbc.com/2014/02/lewis-march-organizers-hypocritical-on-voter-id/). > > and I only had to page through 8 pages of google searches of right wingers claiming IDs were being **required** to march in order to find it. Well, Mr. Barber lied, of course. Here’s the actual instructions: [http://i.imgur.com/yrcoEEz.jpg](http://i.imgur.com/yrcoEEz.jpg) _ **DO** bring photo identification._ Now, we can argue about the language, but “DO bring photo identification” is a lot closer to “requirement” than “suggestion”. To repeat the analogy, imagine the MADD meeting, where participants are told beforehand by the organizers: _ **DO** get drunk out of your mind._ Once the public finds out about that and the shit hits the fan, justify the drunkeness at MADD meeting by claiming “well, we don’t **require** people to get wasted at our meetings. It’s just suggested that they do”. Then sit back and enjoy the irony. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3949 "2014-02-28T01:51:53Z")
> [@Pidril\_Pidrilych](#): > > Well, Mr. Barber lied, of course. > Here’s the actual instructions: > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/yrcoEEz.jpg) > > _ **DO** bring photo identification._ > > Now, we can argue about the language, but “DO bring photo identification” is a lot closer to “requirement” than “suggestion”. > > To repeat the analogy, imagine the MADD meeting, where participants are told beforehand by the organizers: > _ **DO** get drunk out of your mind._ > > Once the public finds out about that and the shit hits the fan, justify the drunkeness at MADD meeting by claiming “well, we don’t **require** people to get wasted at our meetings. It’s just suggested that they do”. > > Then sit back and enjoy the irony. “Do” bring id is a suggestion. “Must” bring id is a requirement. Easy. Not tricky, or difficult. Easy. Easy. Piece of cake. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3950 "2014-02-28T02:11:32Z")
What a sad little man you are, Newbie. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3951 "2014-02-28T04:07:41Z")
You know, you have to bring photo ID with you to NAACP meetings to prove you are black. One of those special driver’s licenses that they can have but they get mad if you have one. Cops have to check black guys and make sure they got theirs, and if they do, they have to let them go. NAACP got a law passed to force the cops to check, nobody but black people get the special license. Not everybody knows about that. They keep it quiet. Go ahead and ask, bet you they lie about it, say there is no such thing. They _could_ use them for voter ID, but they won’t, because then they can’t bitch about how the election got stolen. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3952 "2014-02-28T06:00:15Z")
> [@Pidril\_Pidrilych](#): > > Well, Mr. Barber lied, of course. > Here’s the actual instructions: > > [http://i.imgur.com/yrcoEEz.jpg](http://i.imgur.com/yrcoEEz.jpg) > > _ **DO** bring photo identification._ > > Now, we can argue about the language, but “DO bring photo identification” is a lot closer to “requirement” than “suggestion”. It is not a requirement unless everyone’s ID is to be checked before the march starts, and those without excluded. There is nothing to indicate or imply that. It is simply that bringing ID to such an event is a **good idea** for practical reasons unrelated to voting requirements and already covered upthread. > [@Pidril\_Pidrilych](#): > > To repeat the analogy, imagine the MADD meeting, where participants are told beforehand by the organizers: > _ **DO** get drunk out of your mind._ :rolleyes: No. That is not an analogy. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3953 "2014-02-28T17:32:39Z")
> [@Pidril\_Pidrilych](#): > > The equivalent would be a MADD (mothers against drunk driving) gathering, where it’s suggested to attendees that they show up to meeting drunk. It is not the position of the NAACP that having a drivers license is bad. They recognize that they are useful. They just don’t feel that they should be mandatory to vote. This suggestion is no more hypocritical than a rally in favor of school lunches, suggesting that it will be a long day and participants should bring a lunch. As far as do means must, consider the [following list](http://www.justroughinit.com/prepare_for_your_trip/dos_and_donts_for_hikers) of hiking Do’s and Don’ts > [@](#): > > Do eat breakfast > 
Make certain you eat a substantial breakfast at least 3 hours before you start your hike. You can do this before you are picked up the day of your hike or we can stop along the way. You want to have sufficient energy to start your hike. > > Don’t forget the camera > Capture memories and share your experience with friends and family. Photos are often the best mementos from a butt-kicking adventure. Certainly you don’t think that the organizers of these trips will send you home if you haven’t eaten breakfast or forgot your camera. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3954 "2014-02-28T17:56:03Z")
Pidril Pidrilych, you seem desperate to paint the NAACP as hypocritical. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that you are right and they are hypocritical regarding photo IDs. How would that weaken the argument against ID laws? The hypocrisy or lack of hypocrisy of one group has nothing to do with the facts of an issue. What you’re doing is akin to what climate change denialists are doing when they think they can win the argument by trashing Al Gore. It’s a distraction; a side issue that has nothing to do with the real issue and that adds nothing of value to the conversation. If you want to discuss whether or not the NAACP are hypocrites then maybe you should start your own thread about that. That is not what this thread is about. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3955 "2014-02-28T19:09:47Z")
Well, OK, if the NAACP aren’t a bunch of hypocrites like Al Gore, how come its so cold when its supposed to be warming!?! Answer me that, smarty pants! ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3956 "2014-02-28T19:29:08Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > It is not the position of the NAACP that having a drivers license is bad. They recognize that they are useful. Further, it’s my opinion that most liberals aren’t even against using IDs to vote. They’re against the partisan way in which the rules were created to attempt to dissuade people from voting. If an honest effort was made to get ID to everyone, I think very few people would have issues with it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3957 "2014-02-28T19:43:01Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > Further, it’s my opinion that most liberals aren’t even against using IDs to vote. They’re against the partisan way in which the rules were created to attempt to dissuade people from voting. If an honest effort was made to get ID to everyone, I think very few people would have issues with it. A free national ID card would be the most practical solution – but, there are those who would have issues with **that,** for completely different reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3958 "2014-02-28T20:35:23Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > A free national ID card would be the most practical solution – but, there are those who would have issues with **that,** for completely different reasons. I agree, but I wasn’t even going that far. Just making sure everyone had a state ID would be sufficient. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3959 "2014-02-28T20:49:17Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > I agree, but I wasn’t even going that far. Just making sure everyone had a state ID would be sufficient. No, it wouldn’t, because if you’ve been paying any attention at all to this thread and/or to the news, you will know that we can’t count on every state government to cooperate in anything that might make voting easier. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/3960 "2014-02-28T21:05:19Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > No, it wouldn’t, because if you’ve been paying any attention at all to this thread and/or to the news, you will know that we can’t count on every state government to cooperate in anything that might make voting easier. That was my point. It’s not that we’re opposed to using ID, it’s the method in which it’s being done. If the states actually may a good faith effort, there wouldn’t be an issue. As it stands, though, the states passing these laws are actively trying to make it as hard as possible to vote for those groups most likely to not support them. Thus, there’s a problem. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=197) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=199)