# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 248
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4941 "2014-05-29T16:29:08Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > “Counting on:” confident that the vast majority of felons’ votes will be for you. Felons love liberals. And vice-versa. 😃 More bullshit. I’m not motivated enough to look it up – and it’s probably been pointed out to you doznes of times – _but in the Florida felon vote suppression (of 2000?) **the same-name checking software was set up to handle Hispanic surnames differently. One race of felons (or rather innocents whose names matched that of a felon) was being much more actively suppressed than the other!**_ Care to guess which was which? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4942 "2014-05-29T16:40:05Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > More bullshit. > > I’m not motivated enough to look it up – and it’s probably been pointed out to you doznes of times – _but in the Florida felon vote suppression (of 2000?) **the same-name checking software was set up to handle Hispanic surnames differently. One race of felons (or rather innocents whose names matched that of a felon) was being much more actively suppressed than the other!**_ > > Care to guess which was which? Strawman. I said felons vote overwhelming for Democrats. Your statement has no bearing at all on that. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4943 "2014-05-29T16:46:54Z")
I’d note that Bricker’s argument has failed so utterly, he has scrambled to find something to hang his hat on and attack back. _ **Buh, buh, buh, felons!!11on3!11** _ ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4944 "2014-05-29T17:00:04Z")
Any thoughts on post 4932, Bricker, or are you too busy with your martyrdom? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4945 "2014-05-29T17:10:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > From [here:](http://washingtonexaminer.com/jail-survey-7-in-10-felons-register-as-democrats/article/2541412) > > How could you have been so mistaken? As was pointed out, the demographics of convicted felons are different than those of the population at large. I suggest that their Democratic leaning tendencies are more closely dependent on these demographis than they are on their status as felons. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4946 "2014-05-29T17:48:59Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > In fact, I’ll take the matter out of your hands. You’re hereby forbidden from reading my posts. > > There. Problem solved. Who is that one climate change denying douchebag who has his imaginary ignore list? Username starts with an “m” IIRC? I think I’ve just been \*\*\*reverse \*\*\*imaginary ignored by **Bricker**! **Bricker** , I counter your offer. If you don’t want me reading your posts, stop posting. That would also have the benefit of saving you from the metaphoric lead pipes that the big mean bullies are beating you with. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4947 "2014-05-29T17:51:12Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Who is that one climate change denying douchebag who has his imaginary ignore list? Username starts with an “m” IIRC? > > I think I’ve just been \*\*\*reverse \*\*\*imaginary ignored by **Bricker**! > > **Bricker** , I counter your offer. If you don’t want me reading your posts, stop posting. That would also have the benefit of saving you from the metaphoric lead pipes that the big mean bullies are beating you with. I told you to stop reading my posts. According to you, they offer no value. So stop. I don’t agree that they offer no value, so of course I’ll keep posting. Only one of us is acting inconsistently with his claims. Shockingly, it’s the liberal. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4948 "2014-05-29T17:52:44Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > As was pointed out, the demographics of convicted felons are different than those of the population at large. I suggest that their Democratic leaning tendencies are more closely dependent on these demographis than they are on their status as felons. So now you agree that felons vote overwhelmingly Democratic…but say there’s a reason for it? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4949 "2014-05-29T17:54:09Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Any thoughts on post 4932, Bricker, or are you too busy with your martyrdom? I asked you to summarize my arguments. You refused. You asked me to summarize yours; I did. Why must I jump through your hoops and you get to ignore mine? Answer: because there is no social cost here for doing so. Right? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4950 "2014-05-29T17:55:11Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’d note that Bricker’s argument has failed so utterly, he has scrambled to find something to hang his hat on and attack back. > > _ **Buh, buh, buh, felons!!11on3!11** _ Not remotely an accurate summary of the discussion. But you’re a liberal so you’ll be cheered for this. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4951 "2014-05-29T18:05:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I asked you to summarize my arguments. You refused. You asked me to summarize yours; I did. > > Why must I jump through your hoops and you get to ignore mine? > > Answer: because there is no social cost here for doing so. > > Right? If I read this right, you’re asserting your prerogative to pick and choose what you will respond to and what you will comment on. Guess what - we ALL have that prerogative, so your whining about how we’re not policing each other is especially immature. As a side note, I don’t recall asking you to summarize my views. I think I dismissively described the summary process as akin to middle-school book reports. As I recall, you voluntarily offered your summary of my views. If you can give me the post number where I made this request, I’d like to review it. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4952 "2014-05-29T18:09:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I told you to stop reading my posts. According to you, they offer no value. So stop. > > I don’t agree that they offer no value, so of course I’ll keep posting. > > Only one of us is acting inconsistently with his claims. Shockingly, it’s the liberal. You’re absolutely right. I was wrong. Your posts have the value of amusing me. I’m not sure this is really of overall value to the board, though, and you raise a good point. But really, who am I to say? Now that you mention it, other people might find the same modicum of perverse pleasure in watching you bluster and blather and repudiate and bitch and cry foul that I do. Setting perversity (mine, and potentially others) aside for the moment, I would still contend that the net value of your contributions is still negative. I will have to give further consideration to my role as an enabler in this situation. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4953 "2014-05-29T18:16:25Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > You’re absolutely right. I was wrong. Your posts have the value of amusing me. I’m not sure this is really of overall value to the board, though, and you raise a good point. Well, that’s very honest of you…especially since others of your ilk seem to believe they will burst into flame if they type the phrase, “I was wrong.” So you’re off restriction. You are again permitted to read my posts. Don’t abuse the privilege. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4954 "2014-05-29T18:18:13Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If I read this right, you’re asserting your prerogative to pick and choose what you will respond to and what you will comment on. > > Guess what - we ALL have that prerogative, so your whining about how we’re not policing each other is especially immature. > > As a side note, I don’t recall asking you to summarize my views. I think I dismissively described the summary process as akin to middle-school book reports. As I recall, you voluntarily offered your summary of my views. > > If you can give me the post number where I made this request, I’d like to review it. It was somewhere between 1-4951. Start checking in that range. I’ll tell you where I was wrong. I was wrong to rebuke **adaher**. Treating you with logic and respect only encourages shitty treatment in return. He had the right idea all along. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4955 "2014-05-29T18:23:42Z")
Hah, adaher. If the broken clock analogy were to apply to him, we’d have to live on Venus.\* Anyway if you’d treated me with logic and respect, I’m sure I would reciprocate after I got over the shock. \*Astronomy buffs will appreciate that, I hope. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4956 "2014-05-29T18:25:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > …Instead, an error that accuses the Washington Times of fabrication is met with indulgent chuckles. … Here, let me help. I’m mindful of your limitations, so I will type slowly. I did not state, as a fact, that the _Washington Times_ story was a fabrication. I announced my suspicion. That suspicion was based on a two salient facts, which I provided. The first, that it was apparent to me after googling that no other publication had offered said story. Not the _NY Times_, nor the _LA Times_, nor _Washington Post_, nor _CS Monitor_, nor _Topeka Value Shopper_. Zero, zip, zilch, nada. And secondarily, that the _Washington Times_ is a wretched abuse of innocent trees, no more worthy of reliance for fact that the Reichminister of Propaganda, or the _Pravda_ of old. (Aside: have _you_ ever cited the _Washington Times_?) So, yeah, Hugh Betcha, I was suspicious, and voiced that suspicion with “How very odd!”. You, who have so often scurried for shelter beneath a careful semantic distinction, must Shirley know that there is a difference between voicing a suspicion and a clear assertion of fact. I am heartened to know that the _Washington Times_ has purveyed a truth, it is a wonder, and these minor miracles give life a special bouyance, a bit of fragile hope that they may, one day, stumble out of the Darkness. Perhaps, someday, even _you!_ Dare we hope? We do dare, do dare, all the livelong day… ---
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4957 "2014-05-29T18:28:25Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I believe the faulty assumptions are: > > 1- Felons are politically active and can’t wait to start electing Democrats. Some are very likely anti-abortion or anti SSM, some are very likely not. I don’t see any evidence that they are a Democratic monolithic voting bloc. > [@Bricker](#): > > From [here:](http://washingtonexaminer.com/jail-survey-7-in-10-felons-register-as-democrats/article/2541412) > > > [@](#): > > > > The study looked at three states which are reminding convicts that they can vote after leaving jail: New York, New Mexico and North Carolina. > > > > They provided the following Democrat-to-Republican breakdown in felon party registration patterns: > > > > – New York: 61.5 percent register Democratic, 9 percent register Republican > > > > – New Mexico: 51.9 percent Democratic, 10.2 percent Republican > > > > – North Carolina: 54.6 percent Democratic, 10.2 percent Republican > > How could you have been so mistaken? > [@BobLibDem](#): > > As was pointed out, the demographics of convicted felons are different than those of the population at large. I suggest that their Democratic leaning tendencies are more closely dependent on these demographis than they are on their status as felons. Although it probably doesn’t make any difference to the underlying argument, let me point out that the paper cited in **Bricker** ’s link is this: [“Do Voting Rights Notification Laws Increase Ex-Felon Turnout?”](http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~marcmere/workingpapers/FelonNotification.pdf). That paper in turn cites earlier papers, including this one: [Democratic Contraction? Political Consequences of Felon Disenfranchisement in the United States](http://www.soc.umn.edu/~uggen/Uggen_Manza_ASR_02.pdf). The latter paper actually does a demographic analysis of felons, and predicts what their voting patterns would have been (had they voted) based on the voting patterns of a similar demographic. Amusingly, the popular press gets most, but not all, facts from the cited paper correct in the body of the article (see what **Bricker** quoted: the New Mexico 10.2% Rep should be 19%), and then completely screws up the headline: “Jail survey: 7 in 10 felons register as Democrats”. Well, no - the 7/10 comes from the demographic analysis of actual voting patterns (not registration) done in the earlier papers. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4958 "2014-05-29T18:30:12Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So now you agree that felons vote overwhelmingly Democratic…but say there’s a reason for it? Republicans have better lawyers? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4959 "2014-05-29T18:34:28Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Not remotely an accurate summary of the discussion. > > But you’re a liberal so you’ll be cheered for this. You aren’t losing because you’re a conservative. You’re losing because you’re arguing drivel. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/4960 "2014-05-29T19:06:54Z")
I checked every post in which I recently used the word “summary”. None of them contain any requests to Bricker for a “summary” of my views or position or anything. In fact, my post 4872 says: > [@](#): > > I don’t care if you can or cannot summarize my views in one paragraph and I have no interest in summarizing yours in one paragraph, or multiple paragraphs or whatever. I’m prepared to accept that Bricker has me confused with someone who did make such a request. Given his breakneck (indeed, meth-suggestive) pace of posts to this thread, it seems plausible. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=247) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=249)