# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 316
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6301 "2014-09-30T14:24:18Z")
So why is Ohio trying to stop Sunday voting? Budget cuts? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6302 "2014-09-30T14:32:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Lots of states don’t offer Sunday voting. In fact, the majority don’t. > > Are they all acting unconstitutionally? > > Or is the rule you don’t have to offer it, but once you do, you can’t ever stop offering it? Whether legal or not, it’s still wrong (the OH attempts to stop Sunday voting), and just a modern (and perhaps legal) version of poll taxes, literacy and citizenship tests, and the like – actions meant to dissuade/deter/prevent certain demographics from voting. It’s very wrong, and decent people on both sides should be highly criticial of such moves. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6303 "2014-09-30T14:48:37Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Whether legal or not, it’s still wrong (the OH attempts to stop Sunday voting), and just a modern (and perhaps legal) version of poll taxes, literacy and citizenship tests, and the like – actions meant to dissuade/deter/prevent certain demographics from voting. It’s very wrong, and decent people on both sides should be highly criticial of such moves. Is New York wrong to not offer Sunday voting at all? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6304 "2014-09-30T14:52:44Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So why is Ohio trying to stop Sunday voting? Budget cuts? They’re free to stop it. You’re free to disapprove. The courts are free to uphold their efforts. And I’m free to point this out repeatedly. I tell you, it was a boon that you gave me, pointing out how any point can be answered by illuminating the freedom we all have to respond, or not. Three cheers for freedom! (Or two, or four --whatever you feel free to do.) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6305 "2014-09-30T14:56:40Z")
So Sunday’s a random choice, then? They could as easily tried to curb Monday voting? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6306 "2014-09-30T14:59:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Are they all acting unconstitutionally? In law school do they have special classes whose syllabus reads “Forget everything you thought you knew about morality, common-sense, true justice, or human decency. You’re going to be a lawyer” ? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6307 "2014-09-30T15:18:21Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > There are two differences between Voter ID laws and poll taxes. > > (1) Poll taxes for federal elections were done away with by super-majority vote: the passage of the 24th Amendment outlawed them. So presumably back in say 1952, such laws were in no way discriminatory. And all those people complaining about them had no legitimate beef. > [@Bricker](#): > > (2) They were outlawed for state elections as well, because of the observation that there was no relationship between a tax and the vote, other than as a barrier. The requirement to show ID is related to ensuring that only qualified voters vote; the payment of a tax has no similar effect. They were used to help defray the cost of holding the election and indicated a voters commitment to the society to which he is voting. If a voter can’t be bothered to pull together a few bucks to pay the poll tax he clearly isn’t motivated enough to vote. I mean its not they were asking him to send out for his birth certificate, and take a day off work to drive 150 miles and wait in line at the DMV or anything. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6308 "2014-09-30T15:46:40Z")
[![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iAgiK07Py9M/hqdefault.jpg "Anaïs Mitchell ft. Greg Brown - Why We Build the Wall") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgiK07Py9M) “Why We Build the Wall” from the recent musical _Hadestown_ Spoiler: its all about Freedom! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6309 "2014-09-30T15:58:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You’re free to disapprove. At this stage, I’m gathering details to inform my opinion. If someone has a cite that Sunday voting in Ohio was very expensive (ie having to pay state employees double overtime) and was of questionable utility (ie only one voter in 100,000 was taking advantage), I’d like to see it. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6310 "2014-09-30T16:04:38Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Is New York wrong to not offer Sunday voting at all? Yes. But, obviously not unconstitutional. There are people who are either at work or commuting the entire hours of voting from 6AM to 9PM on Tuesdays. I would favor Sunday elections and easier access to absentee balloting (for people working on election day) across the country. Nowadays Sunday, instead of being a day of rest, is a day for performing chores, shopping and running errands for many, if not most working people. And obviously, there are people working Sundays to serve the other working folks. So they need another day. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6311 "2014-09-30T16:11:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Is New York wrong to not offer Sunday voting at all? I wasn’t saying anything about New York, unless New York also took action to stop Sunday voting that had previously existed. I was judging the Ohio government’s actions to stop Sunday voting. That is wrong. Do you disagree that Ohio’s actions were a legal version/relation to the old poll taxes/literacy tests/etc. that were used to try and reduce black turnout? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6312 "2014-09-30T16:18:11Z")
**Bryan** , try and keep up, won’t you? Its not about practicality and utillity, its about freedom! And simply because our lesser minds cannot grasp how restrictions and obstructions lead to more freedom just means we cannot understand the subtle workings of the Republican mind! Freedom squandered on the feckless and lazy is wasted, cheapened. They will not get any value from it, because of who they are. But the responsible, the propertied, those who have “skin in the game”…their freedom is cheapened as well! So, you see? It is a net loss of freedom, the undeserving cannot use it, while the comfortable and propertied will have less of it! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6313 "2014-09-30T16:34:41Z")
So Bricker is saying the rich SHOULD pay higher taxes? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6314 "2014-09-30T16:38:46Z")
Well, after all, its _their_ country! We just live here. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6315 "2014-09-30T16:45:13Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So Bricker is saying the rich SHOULD pay higher taxes? Hardly! Don’t forget that Buffett’s secretary pays more than Buffett in percentage terms, when all taxes are included. The point is: The People With Skin In The Game want _your_ skin. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6316 "2014-09-30T17:29:52Z")
Maybe it’s like Broadway producing, except “never put your own money in the show” becomes “never put your own skin in the game.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6317 "2014-09-30T23:51:46Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I wasn’t saying anything about New York, unless New York also took action to stop Sunday voting that had previously existed. I was judging the Ohio government’s actions to stop Sunday voting. That is wrong. No, New York has never offered Sunday voting. And last year, they. . . still didn’t. Never discussed it, didn’t start it. So my question is: are we talking about a one-way rachet? A state doesn’t have to offer it, but if they do, it’s wrong to stop? So New York, which doesn’t offer it, is not wrong? But Ohio, who ALSO doesn’t offer it, is wrong? > [@](#): > > Do you disagree that Ohio’s actions were a legal version/relation to the old poll taxes/literacy tests/etc. that were used to try and reduce black turnout? I have no idea. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6318 "2014-09-30T23:57:38Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > In law school do they have special classes whose syllabus reads “Forget everything you thought you knew about morality, common-sense, true justice, or human decency. You’re going to be a lawyer” ? You don’t get to impose your ideas of morality on me. You’re immoral. Your ideas are immoral. Why should we let such an immoral person as yourself try to craft laws? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6319 "2014-09-30T23:59:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, New York has never offered Sunday voting. And last year, they. . . still didn’t. Never discussed it, didn’t start it. > > So my question is: are we talking about a one-way rachet? A state doesn’t have to offer it, but if they do, it’s wrong to stop? I think it would be a positive thing to offer it. > [@](#): > > So New York, which doesn’t offer it, is not wrong? But Ohio, who ALSO doesn’t offer it, is wrong? I think it would be good for New York to offer it. Taking it away once it’s in place is a bad action. > [@](#): > > I have no idea. Really? This mystifies you? In all seriousness? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6320 "2014-10-01T00:12:16Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You don’t get to impose your ideas of morality on me. You’re immoral. Your ideas are immoral. Why should we let such an immoral person as yourself try to craft laws? It should be noted, that you’re the rancid, hypocrite prick that hates poor people while walking around with a crucifix up your ass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=315) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=317)