# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 328
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2014, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6541 "2014-10-05T06:35:37Z")
Covered. Doesn’t matter how malign the intentions, the thing itself is full of crunchy voter confidence goodness. Of course, those malign intentions are _precisely_ what we are pissed about. In a way, it reminds one of the miracle of modern capitalism, whereby greed becomes a positive virtue. Shit, makes water into wine look like child’s play! ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2014, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6542 "2014-10-05T07:42:19Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Covered. Doesn’t matter how malign the intentions, the thing itself is full of crunchy voter confidence goodness. Of course, those malign intentions are _precisely_ what we are pissed about. > > In a way, it reminds one of the miracle of modern capitalism, whereby greed becomes a positive virtue. Shit, makes water into wine look like child’s play! Thanks, ' **Luci**. I’ll admit to having wandered in and out of the thread. So, they’re _trying_ to skew the vote, but incompetent to do so. I guess, then, that if the NYT _is_ biased against assault rifles (another **Bricker** favorite), we similarly shouldn’t worry about it, because the reporting itself still magically comes out accurate. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2014, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6543 "2014-10-05T13:59:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Of course, those malign intentions are _precisely_ what we are pissed about. Yanno, not really. They could intend whatever they want if their actual results were ineffective - the intent, being obvious to most folks, would actually work against them. And it wouldn’t matter (nearly as much) what they intended if the effect really were to undermine democracy itself, as it is. In fact, good faith would lead them to reverse themselves. No, what pisses \*me \*off is two things: The damage to democracy itself, and the condescending, transparent lying about the reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2014, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6544 "2014-10-05T13:59:51Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > In the other thread about Griggs and Terry stops and all that, you made a little swipe about how funny it was that sometimes _some_ people here are all for a legal analysis of an issue, while in other threads they are not. > > I assumed that this was directed at least in part at me, and in reference to this thread. I was thinking of people who,rejected the legal standards of a crime when discussing George Zimmerman, actually. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2014, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6545 "2014-10-05T17:10:21Z")
When Ben Franklin said “A republic, if you can keep it”, the kind of person he was worried about was that exemplified by **Bricker**. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2014, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6546 "2014-10-05T23:21:04Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I was thinking of people who,rejected the legal standards of a crime when discussing George Zimmerman, actually. You rang? Seriously, you seem to practice a fairly limited application of that standard. Shouldn’t we also be denouncing those who reject the norms of SDMB posting behavior when discussing other posters? I mean, if a post complies with the usage rules of the message board, what business do any of us have complaining about, say the liberal hypocrisy exemplified by a particular poster, or the group biases of the liberal posters in general, or the unfairness perpetrated on conservative posters by those hive-minded liberal hypocrites? Just as a few examples off the top of my head. Might there be other considerations besides an individual’s SDMB rule adherence or statutory rectitude that could legitimately be discussed in a purely social medium? Might we even go so far as to discuss and support our personal differences with existing authority structures? Might it be appropriate, do you think, to _kvetch_ or even _kvell_ every now and again about aspects (or the totality) of an individual’s actions, or attitudes or general demeanor that we enjoy or that just fucking piss us off? Don’t bother to craft a response to these questions, **Bricker** ; they are rhetorical. And you are a dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2014, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6547 "2014-10-06T01:52:22Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Serious question or ironic? Yeah, magazine, vibrantly liberal, came of age in the Watergate era. I subscribed for a year, but let it drop. Too edgy. Very strident. Like Rachel Maddow, without the humor. > > ETA: [Link to motherjones.com](http://www.motherjones.com/) Never read it, myself. Indeed never heard of it outside of references on this message board, though I had in fact gathered that it was a magazine ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6548 "2014-10-09T07:25:19Z")
And this just in… [http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gao-study-voter-id-laws-cut-turnout-by-blacks-young](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gao-study-voter-id-laws-cut-turnout-by-blacks-young) **GAO Study: Voter ID Laws Cut Turnout by Blacks, Young** But we knew that, didn’t we? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6549 "2014-10-09T12:41:10Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And this just in… > > [GAO Study: Voter ID Laws Cut Turnout by Blacks, Young - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gao-study-voter-id-laws-cut-turnout-by-blacks-young) > > **GAO Study: Voter ID Laws Cut Turnout by Blacks, Young** > > But we knew that, didn’t we? But voter confidence is increased. As in, “I need to be confident that fewer black people and young people will vote, since my party has written those people off.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6550 "2014-10-09T13:12:57Z")
Laws continue in force. Life is good. Liberals win the SDMB, lose in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6551 "2014-10-09T15:33:49Z")
You really don’t bother with moral analysis at all, do you, Bricker? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6552 "2014-10-09T15:39:31Z")
One of your more soundly reasoned and cogent “neener-neener!” arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6553 "2014-10-09T15:43:21Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You really don’t bother with moral analysis at all, do you, Bricker? You have no moral system I recognize as valid. You are amoral. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6554 "2014-10-09T15:50:44Z")
Regardless, I’m willing to contemplate outcomes and evidence in my moral and ethical judgements, rather than simply gloat because things happened to go my way. For example, abortion is legal in Canada. I could simply do a smug happy dance about that to annoy prolifers, but I consider it important to analyze why this is a morally sound situation and the circumstances under which I’d consider modifying that view. For what it’s worth, this makes me a better person than you. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6555 "2014-10-09T16:00:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You have no moral system I recognize as valid. You are amoral. You pretty much abandoned our discussion about the moral judgment of these actions once it was pointed out that an OH Republican admitted almost the exact same motivation that I had hypothesized. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6556 "2014-10-09T16:15:35Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You have no moral system I recognize as valid. The only system \*\*Bricker \*\*recognizes as valid is submissiveness to institutional authority. Any suggestion that there might be more to consider simply confuses and irritates him. > [@](#): > > You are amoral. Says the guy who would have seen nothing wrong with slavery either, since it \*was \*the law. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6557 "2014-10-09T16:19:39Z")
**Elvish** , I’ve told you a million times: don’t exaggerate! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6558 "2014-10-09T16:31:01Z")
I am unfortunately \*not \*exaggerating. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6559 "2014-10-09T17:22:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You pretty much abandoned our discussion about the moral judgment of these actions once it was pointed out that an OH Republican admitted almost the exact same motivation that I had hypothesized. Post hoc ergo propter hoc? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6560 "2014-10-09T17:31:41Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Post hoc ergo propter hoc? What does any of this have to do with a helipropter? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=327) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=329)