# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 345
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6881 "2014-10-23T19:54:24Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > By the way, how much of Bricker’s success does he attribute to, y’know, God? That’s pretty much the definition of luck. A simplistic atheist’s view of God. God is certainly not luck. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6882 "2014-10-23T19:57:01Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Unlike liberals, I am governed by standards. > > If this were an effort that impacted conservatives, I’d feel precisely the same way. If the Dems were the ones doing this, I’d be just as angry at them. Actually, I’d probably be more angry, since Dems have less of a delusional media than the RW does to explain away crazy beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6883 "2014-10-23T19:58:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, it can’t: i just made that up. There is no way of objectively quantifying the reasonableness of a burden. Is there a relationship between reasonableness and necessity, ie actions that may not be reasonable under certain conditions may become reasonable under the necessities imposed by changing conditions? If so, what is necessitating an increase in voter requirements? Signal your concession of the point by not answering. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6884 "2014-10-23T19:59:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > A simplistic atheist’s view of God. God is certainly not luck. Actually, He is omnipotent, so He knows how the universe is going to happen, and it is happening exactly the way He set it in motion, so an individual’s fate is pretty much up to luck. You gonna get cancer and die at 14? Sucks to be you, it was foretold. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6885 "2014-10-23T20:00:37Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > If the Dems were the ones doing this, I’d be just as angry at them. Actually, I’d probably be more angry, since Dems have less of a delusional media than the RW does to explain away crazy beliefs. Bullshit. Massachusetts’ legislature engaged in blatantly obvious manipulation to remove, re-instate, remove again, and re-instate again the governor’s ability to appoint a replacement Senator, based entirely on what political party the governor belonged to. The de facto rule in Massachusetts is: the Democratic governor can appoint a replacement Senator; the Republican governor cannot. And you loved it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6886 "2014-10-23T20:01:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > A simplistic atheist’s view of God. God is certainly not luck. Does God favour those born into certain religions? That’s certainly something an individual has no control over, ie he benefits through no action or choice of his own. In other words, luck. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6887 "2014-10-23T20:02:14Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Is there a relationship between reasonableness and necessity, ie actions that may not be reasonable under certain conditions may become reasonable under the necessities imposed by changing conditions? > > If so, what is necessitating an increase in voter requirements? Nothing. Current laws in Texas, Wisconsin, etc. are perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6888 "2014-10-23T20:03:11Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Bullshit. > > Massachusetts’ legislature engaged in blatantly obvious manipulation to remove, re-instate, remove again, and re-instate again the governor’s ability to appoint a replacement Senator, based entirely on what political party the governor belonged to. The de facto rule in Massachusetts is: the Democratic governor can appoint a replacement Senator; the Republican governor cannot. > > And you loved it. I think it’s been pointed out to you thirty or so times that the situations are not analogous. Here’s thirty-one. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6889 "2014-10-23T20:05:17Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Nothing. Current laws in Texas, Wisconsin, etc. are perfect. Well, we’ll see in a few weeks what the outcome of perfection is. I trust you’ll be open to the idea that such outcomes may be rather less than perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6890 "2014-10-23T20:07:53Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Bullshit. > > Massachusetts’ legislature engaged in blatantly obvious manipulation to remove, re-instate, remove again, and re-instate again the governor’s ability to appoint a replacement Senator, based entirely on what political party the governor belonged to. The de facto rule in Massachusetts is: the Democratic governor can appoint a replacement Senator; the Republican governor cannot. > > And you loved it. Did I? Can you cite that? I’m pretty sure I consider that shady, although nowhere near as shady as manipulating the electoral system for lasting partisan gain. Consider this: You want to win because of immoral cheating. But you consider yourself the moral superior to “liberals.” So, in your mind, you must convince yourself that “liberals” would be just as, or more prone to immoral cheating, they just aren’t skilled enough to pull it off. You’re creating a delusion that satisfies your sense of superiority, while denigrating those on the other side. I’m not sure if you actually know if you’re doing this, or if a lifetime of sublimating your critical thinking to your church has so warped your capacity to think about things clearly. It’s a conundrum. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6891 "2014-10-23T20:11:40Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Nothing. Current laws in Texas, Wisconsin, etc. are perfect. Only Jesus’ purple cock head is perfect! Say ten Heil Marys and goosestep yourself down to Flagellation for some penance. If you hear children screaming from the Monseigneur’s office, ignore it. We just got in some new recruits. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6892 "2014-10-23T20:20:14Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Consider this: You want to win because of immoral cheating. But you consider yourself the moral superior to “liberals.” > > So, in your mind, you must convince yourself that “liberals” would be just as, or more prone to immoral cheating, they just aren’t skilled enough to pull it off. I figure that’s the main reason Bricker keeps bringing up that Massachusetts thing - -He wants legislative power to be held in reverence. -On this board, Republican legislative acts that are sleazy are not revered. -Therefore, point out a Democratic legislative act that was sleazy, claim it was revered. …?.. -Win! I’m sure to him it makes perfect sense. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6893 "2014-10-23T20:20:20Z")
Well, now, just hold on a minute, we don’t have the updated definition of “perfect”. “Eligible” has been taken care of, neatly packaged and shipped, but we need the newest refinement of “perfect” before we can hazard any guesses. Is the new, revised \*\*Bricker \*\*Standard Dictionary available for consultation and perusal, or will you be supplying such definitions on a case-by-case basis? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6894 "2014-10-23T21:54:59Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And luckily we already have such a system, and it has been used to reach the current solution. The current solution, if it includes the voter ID requirements pushed by Republican officials, is immoral. I’m surprised that you seem totally uninterested in trying to convince us that it is not immoral. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6895 "2014-10-23T22:11:53Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The current solution, if it includes the voter ID requirements pushed by Republican officials, is immoral. I’d suggest the system is okay, as systems go - it just unfortunately indulges immorality. > [@](#): > > I’m surprised that you seem totally uninterested in trying to convince us that it is not immoral. Why should he? He’s decided _we’re_ immoral. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6896 "2014-10-23T23:09:10Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The current solution, if it includes the voter ID requirements pushed by Republican officials, is immoral. > > I’m surprised that you seem totally uninterested in trying to convince us that it is not immoral. I can’t imagine approaching you for advice on morality. I don’t believe you and I share any particular basis for morality, and I won’t approve your attempts to legislate morality. You favor the killing of unborn children, after all. So I will decline your attempt to discuss morality; as far as i am concerned, you are at best amoral. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6897 "2014-10-23T23:11:32Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I think it’s been pointed out to you thirty or so times that the situations are not analogous. > > Here’s thirty-one. Yes. “Massachusetts” has more letters than “Texas,” I know, so that makes the two situations vastly different. :rolleyes: In fact, the precise same principle is in play. The pious claims that you would object too if your side tried to gain some untoward advantage by leveraging political power are laid bare. Save those claims. Anyone who’s reading this knows those claims to be false. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6898 "2014-10-23T23:12:40Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Did I? Can you cite that? I’m pretty sure I consider that shady, although nowhere near as shady as manipulating the electoral system for lasting partisan gain. Bullshit. You love it. You’ve devoted pages and pages to decrying the stuff you’re truly upset about. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6899 "2014-10-23T23:14:19Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, we’ll see in a few weeks what the outcome of perfection is. I trust you’ll be open to the idea that such outcomes may be rather less than perfect. What dispositive event are you expecting to happen in a few weeks? Voter ID laws have been in place since 2007. There’s nothing new coming up. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/6900 "2014-10-23T23:37:59Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Bullshit. You love it. You’ve devoted pages and pages to decrying the stuff you’re truly upset about. You’ve fallen so far. People used to respect you. Your evidence that I don’t find it shady, is that I didn’t devote pages to decrying it? Interesting. Can I have a cite where I said I loved it, or where I showed that I loved it. Or where you sat on my lap, felt my erection, and attributed said erection to my excitement that the Massachusetts state legislature flipped who appoints replacement senators. Yeah, stop it Massachusetts legislature, you’re gonna give me boner-overload! I’m gonna rupture something unless you back off… no Massachusetts legislature… nooooo!!1 Uhhhhggg… [/blood&semen] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=344) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=346)