# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 380
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7581 "2014-11-08T15:02:54Z")
Didn’t ask if you cared, already knew you don’t. Asked if it worked. The level of your commitment to equality before the law has been amply demonstrated. Also, you worded that with spectacular clumsiness: “some people chose to not vote because of a burden so minor as belief in a voodoo curse or inability to get free ID.” If some people were _unable_ to get “free ID”, then, clearly, they had no such choice. Such a candid admission of treachery is beyond you. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7582 "2014-11-08T15:06:06Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Bricker is an attention whore, plain and simple. Every. Fucking. Thread. he participates in he manages to turn into a thread _about_ him. It’s always about him. Notice how he’s gotten everyone to change the subject from the uncomfortable one about how Republican legislators gamed the system to win, to being about whom he replies to, how he replies, whether or not we reply to our own side, and so on. > > Stop it. Just fucking stop it. This thread is not about this arrogant prick, it’s about **this** : This election wasn’t won on policy, it was won by Republicans doing back flips to keep Democratic voters away, period. > > How can I make such a bold and declarative statement? > > The proof is in the polling, my friends. > > Poll after poll after poll after poll had strong enough Democratic support to have won many, many, many of the contests that took place across this country. > > But somehow the actual contests – especially in states with strict voter suppression rules – came out way, way, way different from the polling. Way. > > That may happen occasionally, like, once in a blue moon. But everywhere? All at once? All the polls were _that_ wrong about almost _all_ the results? All the Democrats who were polled simultaneously decided not to bother voting in this critically important election? > > As fucking if. > > [No. They were blocked.](http://www.bradblog.com/?p=10929) They answered polls based on how they intended to vote, then couldn’t vote as intended. Turned away. Registrations somehow “lost.” ID demanded where none was required by law. DMVs closed. Voting days or hours cut. > > When we testify in a court of law, we are presumed to be telling the truth when we swear or affirm we are who we say we are when asked our name upon taking the stand. Our oath has been good enough for centuries in this country, including for the purposes of registering to vote. > > It damn well still ought to be. > > If the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors really and truly only wanted every citizen who wants to vote to have to show ID, then there’s no reason on G-d’s green Earth they shouldn’t put photo booths in every fucking polling place and allow citizens to swear or affirm they are who they say they are, show ANY document that has their name and address on it, and have their picture taken for a photo ID on the spot. > > Easy. Done. Free. No hurdles. > > But that is decidedly NOT what they want. They want exactly what they got Tuesday night: victory by any means, even dirty pool. > > Congratulations, America. Quick point: you’re a fucking moron. But on behalf of America, I accept your congratulations. Yes, things turned out very well, indeed. \ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7583 "2014-11-08T18:18:01Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Didn’t ask if you cared, already knew you don’t. Asked if it worked. The level of your commitment to equality before the law has been amply demonstrated. > > Also, you worded that with spectacular clumsiness: “some people chose to not vote because of a burden so minor as belief in a voodoo curse or inability to get free ID.” If some people were _unable_ to get “free ID”, then, clearly, they had no such choice. Such a candid admission of treachery is beyond you. Isn’t it ironic that Bricker would make an such an argument aimed at discounting the actions taken by people on the issue of voter ID? Essentially he is suggesting that these people were simply duped into an overblown, irrational and unsubstantiated fear, inconsistent with reality? The “voodoo curse” of [del] voter fraud on voter confidence[/del] fears of difficulty getting an ID on voter turnout. Yeah, this guy is a bright one! ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7584 "2014-11-08T18:51:13Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Didn’t ask if you cared, already knew you don’t. Asked if it worked. The level of your commitment to equality before the law has been amply demonstrated. > > Also, you worded that with spectacular clumsiness: “some people chose to not vote because of a burden so minor as belief in a voodoo curse or inability to get free ID.” If some people were _unable_ to get “free ID”, then, clearly, they had no such choice. Such a candid admission of treachery is beyond you. The number of people “unable” to get Voter ID is (if not actually zero) statistically insignificant. So no one cares. But that’s your problem! No one cares. You need to get people to CARE. I recommend a folk song, and maybe some flowers in your hair. How many votes must America lose, Before she’s forever lost? Yes, it’s Walker and King and that damn Ted Cruz, Hear me people, you must see the cost! It’s a start, if you can get the rights to “Blowin’ in the Wind,” from Dylan. He’s a fellow libby; you have a good shot. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7585 "2014-11-08T18:54:45Z")
Bricker, do you think when you’re burning in Hell, that you’ll realize you’ve wasted your life as a unprincipled, lying, twat? Or will you complain that Heaven is run by liberals? Of course there is no Heaven or Hell, and you’ll shut off when you die. But hypothetically? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7586 "2014-11-08T19:00:08Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Bricker, do you think when you’re burning in Hell, that you’ll realize you’ve wasted your life as a unprincipled, lying, twat? Or will you complain that Heaven is run by liberals? > > Of course there is no Heaven or Hell, and you’ll shut off when you die. But hypothetically? Won’t somebody save us from Bricker’s meant taunts? Won’t somebody see what we abhor? He won’t play the game; he ignores all our wants, And our felons can’t vote anymore! Do they give Grammys for song lyrics? 'cause baby, I’m feeling it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7587 "2014-11-08T19:05:35Z")
Alternatively: _You’re so vain, You probably think this thread is about you._ 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7588 "2014-11-08T19:09:57Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The number of people “unable” to get Voter ID is (if not actually zero) statistically insignificant. Your evidence for that is what? And what about the number who would be able to get voter ID but for whom the effort is moderate-to-significant? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7589 "2014-11-08T19:58:26Z")
Is **Bricker’s** inferiority complex – his need to say neener due to his middling intellect or to his micro-peener? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7590 "2014-11-08T20:29:38Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Your evidence for that is what? (1) why do you care? If only one side of an argument is asked to supply evidence, then surely you can see that the result is going to be where the side that is unfettered is permitted much more latitude. (2) My evidence is inductive. I hear many claims about the aggregate numbers of supposedly disenfranchised voters, but every effort to highlight a particular case ends up showcasing examples like the guy who’s butthurt because he’s not allowed to vote using a name other than his legal name. > [@](#): > > And what about the number who would be able to get voter ID but for whom the effort is moderate-to-significant? What about them? Do I care? No. Those are not unreasonable efforts. I don’t call that “unable.” But why should I? This thread is not about anything but slinging insults. You may protest otherwise, based on your lack of insults, but you’ve allowed the insult atmosphere to thrive. Now it’s just called “the air.” ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7591 "2014-11-08T20:41:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > (1) why do you care? If only one side of an argument is asked to supply evidence, then surely you can see that the result is going to be where the side that is unfettered is permitted much more latitude. > > (2) My evidence is inductive. I hear many claims about the aggregate numbers of supposedly disenfranchised voters, but every effort to highlight a particular case ends up showcasing examples like the guy who’s butthurt because he’s not allowed to vote using a name other than his legal name. > > What about them? Do I care? No. Those are not unreasonable efforts. I don’t call that “unable.” > > But why should I? This thread is not about anything but slinging insults. You may protest otherwise, based on your lack of insults, but you’ve allowed the insult atmosphere to thrive. Now it’s just called “the air.” It’s actually about your inability to justify your stance, and continuing deflections from that fact. There is a subtext about your pathetic victim mentality and general lack of character. There is something about voter suppression in here somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7592 "2014-11-08T20:46:53Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But why should I? This thread is not about anything but slinging insults. You may protest otherwise, based on your lack of insults, but you’ve allowed the insult atmosphere to thrive. Now it’s just called “the air.” You insufferable dumb-fuck. First, **MaxTheVool** did not allow anything to thrive. This pathetic dodge of yours that somehow people are supposed to police other posters “on their team” is an invention completely of your own. It’s sad and childish and reflective of your ridiculous mentality. Secondly, this thread has included a wide-ranging discussion of the issues. It’s nothing but name calling at this point because you have run out of the sad excuses you had for argumentation - all of which were blasted to bits, have been called out on your efforts to force the discussion into a pinprick of a legal focus, and have nothing left for yourself but stupid taunts. This thread is a very good illustration of you as a poster: limited to a value no greater than the rote regurgitation of legal facts; totally at a loss for anything but the barest partisan stupidity outside of that restricted domain. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7593 "2014-11-08T22:52:44Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Secondly, this thread has included a wide-ranging discussion of the issues. It’s nothing but name calling at this point because you have run out of the sad excuses you had for argumentation - all of which were blasted to bits, have been called out on your efforts to force the discussion into a pinprick of a legal focus, and have nothing left for yourself but stupid taunts. Yes, let’s look at the high-minded discussion of the issues that existed here before I polluted the liberal zenith of purity of expressive, calm-minded analysis that was above all free of name-calling and insults that my participation in the thread brought. Post #1: > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > You’re all worthless motherfucking liars with the civic virtue of a sewer-rat’s tapeworm. “Voter fraud” is a non-problem and you **know** it. The Dems don’t want undocumented immigrants to vote any more than you do, and you know that, too. This is all about disfranchising the poor and minorities. Shame on you all, and STFU forever. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7594 "2014-11-08T22:59:37Z")
I guess most liberals see shit like the above and think, “It’s better not to criticize someone on my side.” Is that what you all do? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7595 "2014-11-08T23:21:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, let’s look at the high-minded discussion of the issues that existed here before I polluted the liberal zenith of purity of expressive, calm-minded analysis that was above all free of name-calling and insults that my participation in the thread brought. > > Post #1: You continue to be incredibly unimpressive with this childish misrepresentation of what I said. Stupid and petulant. > [@](#): > > Iguess most liberals see shit like the above and think, “It’s better not to criticize someone on my side.” > > Is that what you all do? This difficulty breaking from a categorical perspective on everything exemplifies the middling intellect I’ve been talking about. Personally I choose to respond based on content I find interesting, which may be some complex concept or a profanity-laden rant. I feel no obligation to respond or not respond to any post based on any other characteristics of the post or poster. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7596 "2014-11-08T23:32:15Z")
> [@](#): > > …that was above all free of name-calling and insults that my participation in the thread brought. Og give me strength! This is the Pit! There is a Pit culture, we’re Great Debates warped twin, the one locked in the attic and they feed fish heads to! We are not fit for polite company and don’t regret it! It is customary to applaud a spectacularly vindictive rant with kudos and golf farts. it is the way of my people, it is a venomous reptile petting zoo! (Wait, do we have any Persians standing about next to any really deep fucking holes? No? Damn…) This Is The Pit!!! Where’d you think you were, over in GD, sipping tea with pinkies akimbo and murmuring polite, respectful disagreements? Here, I can call **Hentor** an asshole, and its OK, because he is an asshole! So am I! So, are you, but you are an _asshole_! You approach theoretical limits of asshole, neutron density, you have an event horizon where information disappears. See what I mean? No? Ah, well. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7597 "2014-11-09T00:41:54Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I guess most liberals see shit like the above and think, “It’s better not to criticize someone on my side.” > > Is that what you all do? I was going to assume this was rhetorical, but given your concerns before about people failing to answer questions from you; not me. If I count as a liberal for you. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7598 "2014-11-09T01:28:40Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > I was going to assume this was rhetorical, but given your concerns before about people failing to answer questions from you; not me. If I count as a liberal for you. I don’t really think my concern was “people not answering questions.” It was “people subjecting my arguments to exacting critiques and not applying cursory standards to the arguments of other liberals.” How you doin’ on that one? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7599 "2014-11-09T01:50:57Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t really think my concern was “people not answering questions.” > > It was “people subjecting my arguments to exacting critiques and not applying cursory standards to the arguments of other liberals.” That was a concern too. But I was referring to you suggesting that liberals in general weren’t responding to your question about what means they had in mind for changing things the way they’d like that wasn’t effectively “fuck the rule and proper procedure of law”, and that it was because that was their view in general but they didn’t want to say it. > [@](#): > > How you doin’ on that one? Me personally? Good, I’d guess. I’m not sure what the average would be to compare myself against. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7600 "2014-11-09T04:20:22Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I guess most liberals see shit like the above and think, “It’s better not to criticize someone on my side.” > > Is that what you all do? No, I scan through it and think “I’m not going to waste my time reading the previous posts by **BG** and **Bricker** to each other to see if this is justified or not”. God you’re a whiner. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=379) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=381)