# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 391
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7801 "2014-11-20T20:08:43Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > He has a point; I did not stick up for him, and probably should’ve. It doesn’t really have any bearing on what’s happening here, though. Is it your belief that I should just stoically have taken all that abuse and not returned it? Of course I am being absurdly unfair here. I am making broad and unsupported attacks against liberals,conflating the actions of a few with the general policies of all, unfairly construing opposing arguments. I’ve been doing that in this thread for a couple of weeks. Why, do you imagine, might I do this? And having done it, why admit it? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7802 "2014-11-20T20:10:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Is it your belief that I should just stoically have taken all that abuse and not returned it? > > Of course I am being absurdly unfair here. I am making broad and unsupported attacks against liberals,conflating the actions of a few with the general policies of all, unfairly construing opposing arguments. I’ve been doing that in this thread for a couple of weeks. Why, do you imagine, might I do this? > > And having done it, why admit it? Because you’re about to come out as a deep-cover liberal? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7803 "2014-11-20T20:15:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Is it your belief that I should just stoically have taken all that abuse and not returned it? > > Of course I am being absurdly unfair here. I am making broad and unsupported attacks against liberals,conflating the actions of a few with the general policies of all, unfairly construing opposing arguments. I’ve been doing that in this thread for a couple of weeks. Why, do you imagine, might I do this? > > And having done it, why admit it? Because you’re attempting to justify being a vomitous pustule? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7804 "2014-11-20T20:28:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Is it your belief that I should just stoically have taken all that abuse and not returned it? > > Of course I am being absurdly unfair here. I am making broad and unsupported attacks against liberals,conflating the actions of a few with the general policies of all, unfairly construing opposing arguments. I’ve been doing that in this thread for a couple of weeks. Why, do you imagine, might I do this? > > And having done it, why admit it? The problem you are running into is, when you do this, they think you’re a dick. And when they do it, it’s because they think your’re a dick. Lose-lose for you really. (Not advocating this position, just that I could see that happening when you started changing your posting style in this thread) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7805 "2014-11-20T20:37:12Z")
I’ve stuck up for Bricker on occasion. It’s a fruitless, thankless effort. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7806 "2014-11-20T20:39:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Because you’re about to come out as a deep-cover liberal? I am making broad and unsupported attacks, conflating the actions of a few with the general policies of all, and unfairly construing opposing arguments. That does suggest I’m a liberal, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7807 "2014-11-20T20:41:39Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > The problem you are running into is, when you do this, they think you’re a dick. And when they do it, it’s because they think your’re a dick. Lose-lose for you really. > > (Not advocating this position, just that I could see that happening when you started changing your posting style in this thread) Yes, that’s true, but frankly, I grew tired of taking crap and remaining calm. You saw me change posting style – what would you have recommended? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7808 "2014-11-20T20:45:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I am making broad and unsupported attacks, conflating the actions of a few with the general policies of all, and unfairly construing opposing arguments. > > That does suggest I’m a liberal, yes. Is the irony here deliberate? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7809 "2014-11-20T20:50:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, that’s true, but frankly, I grew tired of taking crap and remaining calm. You saw me change posting style – what would you have recommended? while watching the normal “I don’t agree with your morals, so that is not an argument I find compelling” switch to “Neener, neener, ID’s are required bitches!” was quite funny a few times, I doubt anyone is going to change anyone on the other “side”'s mind about this issue. Not sure what I would have done. Maybe agree to disagree? Move on to a thread discussing the new sexiest man alive? ---
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7810 "2014-11-20T20:59:17Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Funny how all your “mistakes,” break the same way. Since we’re playing the “everything not literally true is a lie from a liar” game, this post is a lie from a liar. > [@Reyemile](#): > > …you tentatively accept the actual facts of the article as written? Someone else pointed out that we **only have a single source** at the moment–I’m open to discussing the specifics of what actually happened, … Emphasis added. I was stone-cold wrong about all reports on this stemming from a single source–even though, if true, the claim would have undermined the liberal side and supported the conservative side. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7811 "2014-11-21T00:52:41Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It shows the possibility of organized voter fraud. That’s why I said it. > > It’s not a crime. That’s why I didn’t report it. > > What else you got? “It shows the possibility of organized voter fraud.” No, it does not. Because there is not now, nor has there been any such possibility, for reasons we discussed at great length. As a _practical_ means to subvert an election, it is nonsense. Which is why you abandoned that line of bullshit to latch desperately on to the absurdly abstract arithmetic of super-dooper close elections. And, as is your habit, pretended that such was your position all along. Now as to the legality, damn near every idjit on this Board knows that conspiracy to commit an illegal act is also illegal. So, unless you’d like to eat your inference that you witnessed a volunteer encouraging illegal aliens to vote, thereby committing a crime, this statement is clearly absurd. That leaves the option of claiming that you were simply relating an anecdote from a long and colorful life, an anecdote that had no connection whatever with the discussion of the moment. And in complete innocence, inadvertently implied nefarious plotting by CASA. Batting the big brown innocent eyes, cold puppy in the rain… Trouble with that is, you said “It shows the possibility of organized voter fraud. _That’s why I said it_”. You should have paid the two dollars. And stopped digging. But, as usual, you didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7812 "2014-11-21T01:09:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, that’s true, but frankly, I grew tired of taking crap and remaining calm. You saw me change posting style – what would you have recommended? Take the high road. It’s usually the best course of action. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7813 "2014-11-21T01:11:42Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “It shows the possibility of organized voter fraud.” > > No, it does not. Because there is not now, nor has there been any such possibility, for reasons we discussed at great length. As a _practical_ means to subvert an election, it is nonsense. It could sway the result of an ultra-close election. > [@](#): > > Now as to the legality, damn near every idjit on this Board knows that conspiracy to commit an illegal act is also illegal. So, unless you’d like to eat your inference that you witnessed a volunteer encouraging illegal aliens to vote, thereby committing a crime, this statement is clearly absurd. Don’t even try. A conspiracy requires an agreement amongst two or more people to commit an illegal act. If I explain to you how to open a locked safe, that’s not conspiracy. And if I explain to you how easy it is for a non-citizen to vote without getting caught, that’s not a crime either. As I have already pointed out, I have done exactly that on these very boards. That’s not conspiracy. Conspiracy requires an agreement. Moron. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7814 "2014-11-21T01:14:34Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Take the high road. It’s usually the best course of action. This thread began in 2012. I have only very recently decided to wade in the same filth as the uberlibs here. Prior to that, can you explain how my patiently explaining, over and over again, in the face of filthy dishonesty was the “best course of action?” Because so far as I can tell, it wasn’t. It merely emboldened the liars, and the decent people on the left ignored the sins of their fellow travelers. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7815 "2014-11-21T01:18:41Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This thread began in 2012. > > I have only very recently decided to wade in the same filth as the uberlibs here. > > Prior to that, can you explain how my patiently explaining, over and over again, in the face of filthy dishonesty was the “best course of action?” > > Because so far as I can tell, it wasn’t. It merely emboldened the liars, and the decent people on the left ignored the sins of their fellow travelers. Taking the high road in this situation could be you stating your position clearly, correcting factual errors, and leaving the rest alone. Not every post requires or deserves a response. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7816 "2014-11-21T01:46:24Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It could sway the result of an ultra-close election. > > Don’t even try. > > A conspiracy requires an agreement amongst two or more people to commit an illegal act. If I explain to you how to open a locked safe, that’s not conspiracy. > > And if I explain to you how easy it is for a non-citizen to vote without getting caught, that’s not a crime either. > > As I have already pointed out, I have done exactly that on these very boards. > > That’s not conspiracy. Conspiracy requires an agreement. > > Moron. Oh. Excuse, have to empty my drooling cup, just take a moment…Where was I? Oh! Do we take it that you deny suggesting, inferring or insinuating that CASA volunteers were deliberately counseling illegals on how to break the law? Gonna go for the “innocent puppy” gambit? Pull the other one, it has bells. Pull the middle one, give you a nickel. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7817 "2014-11-21T02:04:44Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > He has a point; I did not stick up for him, and probably should’ve. It doesn’t really have any bearing on what’s happening here, though. But weren’t you saying that you were mistaken about Bricker? He has been an asshole for a long time; it’s not my fault that I caught on before you did. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7818 "2014-11-21T03:48:56Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This thread began in 2012. > > I have only very recently decided to wade in the same filth as the uberlibs here. > > Prior to that, can you explain how my patiently explaining, over and over again, in the face of filthy dishonesty was the “best course of action?” > > Because so far as I can tell, it wasn’t. It merely emboldened the liars, and the decent people on the left ignored the sins of their fellow travelers. I can’t speak for anyone else, but you convinced me of the legitimacy (if not the accuracy) of a number of conservative viewpoints. I’m not sure what turning yourself into a clone of the assholes you despise is meant to accomplish, though. ETA: Unless you’re talking about your behavior specifically in this thread, which is over 157 pages long and several years old. Anyone sane, left or right, stopped reading it ages ago. ---
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7819 "2014-11-21T05:49:08Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Is it your belief that I should just stoically have taken all that abuse and not returned it? > > Of course I am being absurdly unfair here. I am making broad and unsupported attacks against liberals,conflating the actions of a few with the general policies of all, unfairly construing opposing arguments. I’ve been doing that in this thread for a couple of weeks. Why, do you imagine, might I do this? > > And having done it, why admit it? I have no idea. Enlighten us. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7820 "2014-11-21T06:19:36Z")
I’m crossposting [a link given in another thread.](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-fire-chief-caught-on-camera-refusing-to-help-crash-victims-because-they-are-black-9872524.html) **Brickshit** and the other Republiopaths pretend to believe that voter suppression programs are non-discriminatory because citizens, regardless of race, will receive equal treatment from officials. I’d ask the Republiopaths to either admit they’re lying or to click the above link, and repeat their claim. If one could fully confront **Brickshit** in person, I imagine we’d be reminded of a scene from _Chinatown_: “I’m stupid!” (slap) “I’m lying!” (slap) “I’m stupid!” (slap) “I’m lying!” (slap) “I’m stupid and I’m lying!” (breaks into sobs) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=390) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=392)