# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 398
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2014, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7941 "2014-11-28T23:59:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Because every single person works seven days a week? Week in, and week out, over the course of months and months? > > No, that’s a lie too. Isn’t it? > > This is why you guys are great when it comes to guessing that thousands of people can’t get IDs and abysmal when it comes to producing an actual case. The best you’re able to trot out is the poor guy who refuses to get an ID in his legal name and instead wants one in the fake name he’s been using. > > When it comes to actual people, there isn’t anyone in Texas who has to take a day off without pay to get the requisite ID. Is there? > > But as you say, you have no real need to admit it when you’re caught lying. And in your diseased imagination, nobody works all the hours that happen to coincide with the government office hours, nobody would have to pay for another day of child care in order to make that errand, nobody has anything better to do with their time an money but chase down the stuff they need to get that ID that solves a problem that doesn’t fucking exist. But halfwits like you will just cheer at the prospect of people losing their right to vote nearly as much as you cheer when they get gunned down by police. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7942 "2014-11-29T01:58:28Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Get a bigger shovel, Max, you’re not piling the horseshit high enough or fast enough. How was my comment not a reasonable response to your position? You said “every time I vote I show my ID, it’s easy”, as if that is at relevant. I gave illustrations of similar things that well-meaning-but-ignorant people at other times in history might have said about other laws that we now realize were largely intended to suppress votes. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7943 "2014-11-29T01:59:50Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Texas Republicans are eager to have everyone who wants to vote, and is a citizen, and not a felon, vote. Are they? Are they really? Eager? Do you honestly believe that? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7944 "2014-11-29T02:37:06Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Are they? Are they really? Eager? Do you honestly believe that? Yeah, that made me chuckle. It was like the castle Bricker’s building himself in the sky added a new wing. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7945 "2014-11-30T00:15:21Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Are they? Are they really? Eager? Do you honestly believe that? Sure. Obviously, like any partisans, they are more eager for their own supporters to vote, but assuming “eager,” can fairly describe a range rather than a binary position…sure. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7946 "2014-11-30T00:17:08Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Classic conservative. Being a whining, childish jerk. > > Actually, that’s bullshit. I served with tons of conservatives (and liberals) in the Navy, and most of both groups were brave, intelligent, and had plenty of integrity. In fact, in the Navy I learned that it was futile and unwise to judge someone’s character based on their political preferences and philosophy. > > Boo, **Bricker**. Boo. Would you like me to produce twenty quotes from threads on this board in which the same (or worse) types of sentiments were applied to Republicans with nary a peep from you? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7947 "2014-11-30T00:25:54Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Would you like me to produce twenty quotes from threads on this board in which the same (or worse) types of sentiments were applied to Republicans with nary a peep from you? Yes – by all means, waste a bunch of your time. Please, spend an hour poring through the Dope to find posts that everyone knows exist somewhere – I probably skipped over them if I ever came across them in the first place, because I prefer to spend my time on the Dope engaging with people who actually disagree with me on substantial issues. But if you want to prove “yes, I post like a whiny childish jerk, but so do some liberals!”, then go ahead – I certainly wouldn’t argue with you. God what a pathetic titty baby whiner you are in this thread, on top of just being an ignorant jerk sometimes with the “all liberals are dishonest or stupid or both” crap. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7948 "2014-11-30T01:27:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes – by all means, waste a bunch of your time. Please, spend an hour poring through the Dope to find posts that everyone knows exist somewhere – I probably skipped over them if I ever came across them in the first place, because I prefer to spend my time on the Dope engaging with people who actually disagree with me on substantial issues. But if you want to prove “yes, I post like a whiny childish jerk, but so do some liberals!”, then go ahead – I certainly wouldn’t argue with you. > > God what a pathetic titty baby whiner you are in this thread, on top of just being an ignorant jerk sometimes with the “all liberals are dishonest or stupid or both” crap. It’s a defense mechanism. He’s failing utterly, but his arrogance can’t accept that, so he has to concoct this narrative of victimization to rationalize how he can be both superior and losing on the merits. It’s the sign of a very soft, flabby mind . ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7949 "2014-11-30T01:31:16Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This is me mocking you, you Massachusetts-legislature-lovin’ fool. In what sense is that mockery? Calling you, _a guy who supports an organization that helps people get away with raping children_, is mockery. Because it’s an absurd description of your position. Saying, _you support abortion. You enjoy when fetuses are ended at a surgeon’s knife_, isn’t. It’s not even simple, childish mockery like, “You Eat Poop!” ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7950 "2014-11-30T04:45:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Sure. > > Obviously, like any partisans, they are more eager for their own supporters to vote, but assuming “eager,” can fairly describe a range rather than a binary position…sure. But you said they’re eager for “everyone” to vote. I don’t see how that’s compatible with being eager for some people to vote but not others… unless you claim that they REALLY want their supporters to vote, but still are actively eager for everyone else to vote also, just less eager. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7951 "2014-11-30T04:50:51Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Unlike yourself, I have no need to admit nor apologize for lying. Texas may be easier than other backward states, but one must still make the effort to go somewhere to get that free ID, possibly having to take a day off without pay and jeopardizing one’s job or having to decide which bills not to pay in order to take the time to get the ID, all for solving a problem that does not exist and whose solution is meant to discourage Democratic-leaning voters. Dude, give it up. Your argument is pure bullshit. It has been from day one. It is not a hardship to get an ID. It never has been a hardship in any of the states. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7952 "2014-11-30T04:52:00Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ah! Then we can be assured, on your authority, that Texas Republicans are eager to expand to voting rolls to be more inclusive of the brown and the poor, and is bending every effort to remove needless barriers to their voting? Please show proof that they are NOT eager to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7953 "2014-11-30T05:12:44Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Dude, give it up. Your argument is pure bullshit. It has been from day one. It is not a hardship to get an ID. It never has been a hardship in any of the states. Deal with it. How shitty it must be to live in the jumbled nonsense world you inhabit. How scary and absurd everything must seem. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7954 "2014-11-30T05:16:04Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Please show proof that they are NOT eager to do so. How about, the fact that they’re humans? For them to be eager for something that would be politically disadvantageous would be pretty extraordinary. If you think that’s actually the case the onus is on you to demonstrate it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7955 "2014-11-30T13:30:26Z")
What might have been indicative of honest eagerness for all to vote is some Republicans gaffing (ie telling the truth by accident) that this would HURT their election chances. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7956 "2014-11-30T21:16:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes – by all means, waste a bunch of your time. Please, spend an hour poring through the Dope to find posts that everyone knows exist somewhere – I probably skipped over them if I ever came across them in the first place, because I prefer to spend my time on the Dope engaging with people who actually disagree with me on substantial issues. But if you want to prove “yes, I post like a whiny childish jerk, but so do some liberals!”, then go ahead – I certainly wouldn’t argue with you. > > God what a pathetic titty baby whiner you are in this thread, on top of just being an ignorant jerk sometimes with the “all liberals are dishonest or stupid or both” crap. So why do you condemn me for engaging in a tactic that you ignore when your political allies do it? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7957 "2014-11-30T21:18:19Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > How about, the fact that they’re humans? For them to be eager for something that would be politically disadvantageous would be pretty extraordinary. If you think that’s actually the case the onus is on you to demonstrate it. No, because “eager” admits to a range of emotions, not a binary on/off. They can be eager for everyone to vote in the sense that they support democracy, while still being MORE eager for their supporters to vote. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7958 "2014-11-30T23:23:15Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So why do you condemn me for engaging in a tactic that you ignore when your political allies do it? Probably because I didn’t read it. Why does this cause you such pain that you whine like a titty baby about it? Is this butthurt what causes you to make jerkish and foolish sweeping judgments about _all liberals_? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7959 "2014-11-30T23:38:00Z")
So they’re eager, but it may be an eagerness that doesn’t register? ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/7960 "2014-12-01T00:26:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, because “eager” admits to a range of emotions, not a binary on/off. They can be eager for everyone to vote in the sense that they support democracy, while still being MORE eager for their supporters to vote. So if there was a law proposed which would aid in voter education and outreach, with the intention of increasing voter turnout in historically underpriveleged communities, even if it had absolutely ROCK-solid guarantees that it would never ever in any way help out anyone who was not a legal voter, do you think that Republican voters in Texas, in the aggregate, would support it? (Assume that somehow it costs nothing…) I agree that eager is not binary, but I see no reason to believe that the way Texas Republicans feel about more LEGAL poor/minority voter turnout fits the word at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=397) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=399)