# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 401
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8001 "2015-03-17T16:10:11Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It’s amazing anyone still votes for these cunts. And yet the U.S. Senate Majority Leader is a Republican. So is the Speaker of the House. What you find “amazing” is quite commonplace. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8002 "2015-03-17T16:17:24Z")
Of course, more Americans voted for Democratic representatives than Republicans in 2014, but thanks to gerrymandering the will of the people was suppressed. As for the Senate, McConnell’s reign will be short and unsuccessful. Then they’re the presidency, perpetually out of Republican reach for the rest of our lives. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8003 "2015-03-17T16:29:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Why is 145 non-citizens were registered to vote illegally in 2014 “nearly nothing?” Because: > [@](#): > > In total, only four people were convicted of voting fraud as a result of the 2013 investigation, Eve Mueller, the deputy director of communications for the Office of Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine, told ThinkProgress. Mueller said the office could not comment on the ongoing investigations into the newly announced cases. > > “In all of the instances where potential voter fraud has been brought up, even outside of undocumented people who may be voting… the prosecutors have said, ‘this is not a person who was really trying to defraud the system. They made an innocent mistake and this is not what voter fraud really is,'” Ohio ACLU Senior Policy Director Mike Brickner told ThinkProgress. “I suspect that once a lot of these other cases that Secretary Husted has pointed out really come under scrutiny, most of them will not end up in convictions or prosecutions and again the number will be really small.” > > According to his announcement Thursday, Husted identified two non-citizens who registered to vote and then cast ballots in Hamilton County. In 2013, he referred 48 potential cases of voter fraud to the county prosecutor’s office and only six cases were pursued, Chief Assistant Prosecutor Julie Wilson said in 2014. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8004 "2015-03-17T16:35:07Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Of course, more Americans voted for Democratic representatives than Republicans in 2014, but thanks to gerrymandering the will of the people was suppressed. As for the Senate, McConnell’s reign will be short and unsuccessful. Then they’re the presidency, perpetually out of Republican reach for the rest of our lives. Blah blah blah. Talk is cheap. McConnell will still be Majority Leader in the 115th Congress. You blather to the contrary but suffer zero consequences here for being wrong. Place a bet, **Bob**. You’re so certain, why not pick up a few bucks to donate to Occupy Greenpeace or PETA or Wisconsin labor unions or another crazy cause like that? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8005 "2015-03-17T16:36:44Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Because: Nothing in that quote answers the “because.” I agree with prosecutors deciding not to criminally prosecute someone who made an honest mistake. At the same time, honest mistake or not, I don’t want non-citizens voting. So how, specifically, is the smaller number of criminal prosecutions relevant to the issue of non-citizens voting? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8006 "2015-03-17T16:39:24Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And yet the U.S. Senate Majority Leader is a Republican. So is the Speaker of the House. > > What you find “amazing” is quite commonplace. I know you’re a lying piece of filth, so I understand why you vote GOP. The trouble is, that good, decent people, are mislead by RW media into thinking a bunch of things that simply aren’t true. GOP positions aren’t better, they just get more people pissed off at _tyranny_, or _Kenyan-Crypto-Anti-Colonialist-Socio-Nazism_, or whatever. And pissed off people make time to vote. It’s not a perfect system, and motor-voter and things like it only improve it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8007 "2015-03-17T16:41:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Blah blah blah. Talk is cheap. McConnell will still be Majority Leader in the 115th Congress. > > You blather to the contrary but suffer zero consequences here for being wrong. > > Place a bet, **Bob**. You’re so certain, why not pick up a few bucks to donate to Occupy Greenpeace or PETA or Wisconsin labor unions or another crazy cause like that? This thread really brings out what a piece of shit you are. Still pissy about losing the argument? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8008 "2015-03-17T16:58:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Why is 145 non-citizens were registered to vote illegally in 2014 “nearly nothing?” [QUOTE=[Voter ID laws: the Republican ruse to disenfranchise 5 million Americans | Alex Slater | The Guardian](http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/10/voter-id-laws-republican-ruse-disenfranchise)] At least 5 million Americans could essentially lose their right to vote, according to the non-partisan Brennan Center in New York. [/QUOTE] Hi there Bricker! Remeber in 3rd-grade when you were asked which of two numbers was bigger? Try 145 (increase it a little if you think it’s an underestimate) and 5 million (decrease it a litte if you wish, even though the non-partisan source wrote “At least”). Which is bigger? 145 or 5 million? Please do answer; the question will be easy for many Dopers, but the depths of your stupidity are still to be plumbed. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8009 "2015-03-17T17:04:03Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > This thread really brings out what a piece of shit you are. > > Still pissy about losing the argument? Not at all. Bob’s making a prediction. I contend that he has no real good faith in his prediction’s truth – that he’s making it for the purposes of partisan advantage and cheerleading as opposed to a sober analysis of the probabilities. He can do this because his inaccurate prediction results in no actual consequences here on the SDMB: he won’t take meaningful responsibility for his claim. To demonstrate the truth of my claim, I observe his unwillingness to commit to losing money if he’s wrong (and, of course, winning money if he’s right). For all his professed certainty, he recoils from such offers. Of course, someone who dismantles your simple-minded screeds using unfamiliar techniques like “responsibility” and “accuracy” would, understandably, arouse your ire and lead to epithets. No shocker there. What do YOU think will happen in the 115th Congress? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8010 "2015-03-17T17:06:18Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Hi there Bricker! Remeber in 3rd-grade when you were asked which of two numbers was bigger? Try 145 (increase it a little if you think it’s an underestimate) and 5 million (decrease it a litte if you wish, even though the non-partisan source wrote “At least”). > > Which is bigger? 145 or 5 million? Please do answer; the question will be easy for many Dopers, but the depths of your stupidity are still to be plumbed. 5 million is larger. And? The non-partisan source also wrote “could,” and it didn’t write that the way they “lose” the right is by failure to go get a free piece of ID, failures that our society does not recognize as reasonable. On the other hand, our society does recognize the prohibition of non-citizens voting as very reasonable, and decided this issue against you. You lost. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8011 "2015-03-17T17:14:17Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Blah blah blah. Talk is cheap. McConnell will still be Majority Leader in the 115th Congress. > > You blather to the contrary but suffer zero consequences here for being wrong. > > Place a bet, **Bob**. You’re so certain, why not pick up a few bucks to donate to Occupy Greenpeace or PETA or Wisconsin labor unions or another crazy cause like that? No, my gambling is limited to making periodic contributions to the Chippewa Indians at their fine casino. But the Senate is nonetheless ready to flip back to its natural shade of blue, because Republicans have proven to be not ready to govern and more importantly, they’re defending the seats they picked up in 2010 and Hillary’s pantsuittails will be enough to carry Harry Reid back into his rightful office. Maybe even enough to give Nancy Pelosi her gavel back. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8012 "2015-03-17T17:26:39Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Not at all. > > Bob’s making a prediction. I contend that he has no real good faith in his prediction’s truth – that he’s making it for the purposes of partisan advantage and cheerleading as opposed to a sober analysis of the probabilities. > > He can do this because his inaccurate prediction results in no actual consequences here on the SDMB: he won’t take meaningful responsibility for his claim. > > To demonstrate the truth of my claim, I observe his unwillingness to commit to losing money if he’s wrong (and, of course, winning money if he’s right). For all his professed certainty, he recoils from such offers. > > Of course, someone who dismantles your simple-minded screeds using unfamiliar techniques like “responsibility” and “accuracy” would, understandably, arouse your ire and lead to epithets. No shocker there. > > What do YOU think will happen in the 115th Congress? I don’t know. And neither do you. I hope,\* for the good of the country\*, that the cunts you vote for lose. But because people like you support gerrymandering and defacto voter suppression, it’s certainly unlikely that the House will go to the Dems. The Senate is much closer to another inversion. And given the clownshoe fucktards the GOP is currently fizzing about (Carson, Jindal, Bush, Huckabee, FatNewJoiseyGuy, and Nyarlathotep), I see the White House likely going to Hill-Dawg. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8013 "2015-03-17T17:34:33Z")
None of this answers the dread question of ultra-close elections, an issue that haunts and vexes the vast majority of Americans. OK, most. Many. Quite a few. Some. **Bricker**. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8014 "2015-03-17T17:37:57Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > 5 million is larger. > > And? The non-partisan source also wrote “could,” and it didn’t write that the way they “lose” the right is by failure to go get a free piece of ID, failures that our society does not recognize as reasonable. On the other hand, our society does recognize the prohibition of non-citizens voting as very reasonable, and decided this issue against you. You lost. Your refrigerator is now on the roof of your house. You certainly \*could \*get Mallomars any old time you want. Do you think you’d open the fridge door _as often_, _more often_, or\* less often\*? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8015 "2015-03-17T17:39:01Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > None of this answers the dread question of ultra-close elections, an issue that haunts and vexes the vast majority of Americans. OK, most. Many. Quite a few. Some. **Bricker**. Well, it doesn’t actually bother him. He’s just unable to come up with an actual argument, so that’s all he’s able to fumble together. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8016 "2015-03-17T17:45:24Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > 5 million is larger. > > And? The non-partisan source also wrote “could,” and it didn’t write that the way they “lose” the right is by failure to go get a free piece of ID, failures that our society does not recognize as reasonable. On the other hand, our society does recognize the prohibition of non-citizens voting as very reasonable, and decided this issue against you. You lost. For many, that “free” piece of ID involves missing a day or two from work and finding transportation to government offices at inconvenient hours. When it comes down to a choice of feeding the family or getting a voter ID, too many are forced to chose the former. But to Republicans, it is well worth disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of Democratic-leaning voters in pursuit of the perhaps half-dozen cases of voter fraud that might occur in any given election. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8017 "2015-03-17T18:03:20Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Nothing in that quote answers the “because.” > > I agree with prosecutors deciding not to criminally prosecute someone who made an honest mistake. At the same time, honest mistake or not, I don’t want non-citizens voting. > > So how, specifically, is the smaller number of criminal prosecutions relevant to the issue of non-citizens voting? Because it reduces the “problem” to a matter of statistical noise. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8018 "2015-03-17T18:58:39Z")
And this is **Bricker** : > [@Bricker](#): > > … and decided this issue against you. You lost. Fairness? Irrelevant. Good public policy? Irrelevant. Protection from racist persecution? Irrelevant. For him, it’s just cheering for his football team. That which isn’t prosecuted is laudable. Elected legistlatures subverting elections is “democracy in action.” Whether America is better with its racism, inequalities, foolish wars, etc.? Irrelevant: Bricker’s little football team won. The GOP is known for relying on dirty shenanigans, notably under the mentorship of Karl Rove, infamous for false flag forays and even groundless charges of child molestion. What does Bricker think about that? _He singles out Karl Rove as epitomizing the GOP practices he admires._ Remember the softball tossed at Palin – What magazines do you read? Here’s a softball for **Bricker** : What other GOP philosophers do you admire besides Karl Rove? Sean Hannity? Ted Cruz? Rand Paul? Cat got your tongue? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8019 "2015-03-17T20:16:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > . . . The meaningful comparison would be to the margin of victory in an ultra-close election. Even this is only meaningful if you presume that the improper voters would be highly likely to vote for one candidate over another. If the improper voters are representative of the populace, then they’re just as divided as we are, and their votes, by and large, cancel each others’ out. Do we even have evidence that all of these 145 improperly registered voters actually voted? If they’re like the rest of us, half of them just stayed at home. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/8020 "2015-03-17T20:18:28Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Because it reduces the “problem” to a matter of statistical noise. . . . which only a mean-minded dishonest hypocrite would even pretend to care about. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=400) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=402)