# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 491
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9801 "2016-08-03T13:07:58Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I have already announced my intention to vote for Secretary Clinton. But that’s not my question. My question is about the white supremacist influence within the Republican party. Do you believe that it’s virtually nothing, and these accusations against the NC legislators are false? Or do you believe that they are extreme outliers, and virtually no other Republican legislators feel the same way? Or if you believe it’s significant, how does it make you feel as someone who generally supports this party? Do you agree with **Martin Hyde’s** characterization of the party? I ask because I’m incredibly curious about how decent people who nonetheless support a party that I believe to be significantly infected by white supremacism feel about it. I’m not trying to pick on you or needle you. I love America and I want a good two party system. I want a good conservative party and a good liberal party. I want good Americans to not think the other side is evil (and I don’t believe that most Republicans are evil). ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9802 "2016-08-03T13:08:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I have already announced my intention to vote for Secretary Clinton. Is this a move away from Trump in specific, or a move away from the principles currently espoused by the Republican party in general? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9803 "2016-08-03T13:31:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m not talking about annulling laws – I’m asking about your personal feelings. Does this surprise you? Does it anger you? Are you okay with it, or mildly annoyed, or outraged? > > This is an aspect of the continuing significance of white supremacism in America, IMO, and its remaining significance within the Republican party. Do you accept this, or disagree? Are the NC legislators complete outliers, or is there still a significant remnant in the party that wants to disenfranchise black people? > > I’m trying to wrap my head around how people that I assume are good and decent (like you and **Bricker** ) interpret and react to a significant chunk of their party supporting and advocating for white supremacist policies. I’m still trying to figure out why the Democratic Party went from changing governments that are not doing the will of the people, to changing the people who aren’t doing the will of the government. It sure looks like Democrats want to change the voting base pretty much as soon as the existing one stopped voting for them. The Democrats need the felons, they need the no information voters, they need the apathetic voters, and a few illegal votes wouldn’t hurt either. And if that fails, just automatically register them and mail ballots. And if that fails, well, automatic voting would be the logical next step. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9804 "2016-08-03T13:35:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > But that’s not my question. My question is about the white supremacist influence within the Republican party. Do you believe that it’s virtually nothing, and these accusations against the NC legislators are false? Or do you believe that they are extreme outliers, and virtually no other Republican legislators feel the same way? Or if you believe it’s significant, how does it make you feel as someone who generally supports this party? Do you agree with **Martin Hyde’s** characterization of the party? > > I ask because I’m incredibly curious about how decent people who nonetheless support a party that I believe to be significantly infected by white supremacism feel about it. I’m not trying to pick on you or needle you. I love America and I want a good two party system. I want a good conservative party and a good liberal party. I want good Americans to not think the other side is evil (and I don’t believe that most Republicans are evil). Ah, so you would have supported the party that was against Social Security, against Medicare, and more hawkish because the other party was white supremacist? Sorry, don’t buy it. The Democratic Party has always been willing to throw some people under the bus for political expediency precisely because they felt things like Social Security were more important than civil rights. And that did not stop in the 1960s, nor has it even stopped today. Given how Democrats treat minorities that dare to support the other party, it’s not hard to figure out how Democrats would react if whole minority groups went Republican. I recall Democrats weren’t all that nice to the Cuban community back when they were reliable Republicans. Couldn’t wait to send them back to Cuba. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9805 "2016-08-03T13:58:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > But that’s not my question. My question is about the white supremacist influence within the Republican party. Do you believe that it’s virtually nothing, and these accusations against the NC legislators are false? Or do you believe that they are extreme outliers, and virtually no other Republican legislators feel the same way? Or if you believe it’s significant, how does it make you feel as someone who generally supports this party? Do you agree with **Martin Hyde’s** characterization of the party? > > I ask because I’m incredibly curious about how decent people who nonetheless support a party that I believe to be significantly infected by white supremacism feel about it. I’m not trying to pick on you or needle you. I love America and I want a good two party system. I want a good conservative party and a good liberal party. I want good Americans to not think the other side is evil (and I don’t believe that most Republicans are evil). I don’t agree there is significant white supremacist influence in the GOP. Your conclusion that there is, in my opinion, mistakes cause and effect. There is a strong GOP supremacist influence in the GOP. This manifests as a desire to advance GOP interests. The same is of course true for Democratic party politicians. In this day and age, the clustered urban populations tend to be strongly Democratic, but this factor relates to poverty and support for entitlement programs, not race… although race correlates reliably to these factors. But race is not the cause; race is simply an also-present correlation for poverty and entitlements dependence. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9806 "2016-08-03T14:01:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t agree there is significant white supremacist influence in the GOP. > > Your conclusion that there is, in my opinion, mistakes cause and effect. > > There is a strong GOP supremacist influence in the GOP. This manifests as a desire to advance GOP interests. The same is of course true for Democratic party politicians. > > In this day and age, the clustered urban populations tend to be strongly Democratic, but this factor relates to poverty and support for entitlement programs, not race… although race correlates reliably to these factors. But race is not the cause; race is simply an also-present correlation for poverty and entitlements dependence. Thank you for answering – this was what I was looking for (though I strongly disagree, and I think **Martin Hyde** correctly characterizes the party and its recent history). I wish **adaher** would try to answer as thoughtfully instead of just lobbing silly partisan bombs like his last two posts. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9807 "2016-08-03T14:11:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I love, by the way, that for four years I have defended the existence of Voter ID laws by, inter alia, repeatedly citing a favorable Supreme Court decision, a full and final decision on the merits. And the opposition here has brayed and champed about the difference between “moral” and “legal,” and inveighed against the reliance on mere Supreme Court precedent. Pointing something out constitutes braying and champing? > [@](#): > > Now comes a preliminary injunction, in advance of a trial, issued by the lowest court in the federal system of general jurisdiction, and suddenly it is as if Moses handed down the injunction from Sinai. Or more simply that in this case, the legal decision simply aligns better with your opponents’ view of a moral application of law. From the way you describe it, opposition to an existing ruling with calls for revision is the sole purview of ungulates and I am confident you are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9808 "2016-08-03T14:13:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The Democrats need the felons, they need the no information voters, they need the apathetic voters, and a few illegal votes wouldn’t hurt either. And if that fails, just automatically register them and mail ballots. And if that fails, well, automatic voting would be the logical next step. You’re saying that no-information and apathetic voters vote Democrat? Do you have a cite for that or are you just making shit up? ---
**Author:** ![rooostra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@rooostra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rooostra)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9809 "2016-08-03T14:38:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I love, by the way, that for four years I have defended the existence of Voter ID laws by, inter alia, repeatedly citing a favorable Supreme Court decision, a full and final decision on the merits. And the opposition here has brayed and champed about the difference between “moral” and “legal,” and inveighed against the reliance on mere Supreme Court precedent. > > Now comes a preliminary injunction, in advance of a trial, issued by the lowest court in the federal system of general jurisdiction, and suddenly it is as if Moses handed down the injunction from Sinai. If you are referring to me (and I seem to be the only one discussing the preliminary injunction), (1) I certainly don’t analogize it to any historical figures handing down pronouncements, biblical or otherwise; I was merely discussing the merits of the decision with you, (2) I have neither brayed nor champed about the difference between moral and legal nor have I inveighed against reliance on Supreme Court precedent (i may have whinnied, but I would have the check the whole thread to be sure), so (3) I think you have me confused with someone else. So, I suppose I’m done here. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9810 "2016-08-03T14:40:54Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I love, by the way, that for four years I have defended the existence of Voter ID laws by, inter alia, repeatedly citing a favorable Supreme Court decision, a full and final decision on the merits. And the opposition here has brayed and champed about the difference between “moral” and “legal,” and inveighed against the reliance on mere Supreme Court precedent. > > Now comes a preliminary injunction, in advance of a trial, issued by the lowest court in the federal system of general jurisdiction, and suddenly it is as if Moses handed down the injunction from Sinai. What’s your point? That you were wrong then, or that you are wrong now?? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9811 "2016-08-03T14:49:26Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > What’s your point? That you were wrong then, or that you are wrong now?? That I was right then and am right now. ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9812 "2016-08-03T16:52:47Z")
Have the poor, downtrodden white people in NC all managed to muster the motivation and responsibility to get a proper ID? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9813 "2016-08-03T17:12:24Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > Have the poor, downtrodden white people in NC all managed to muster the motivation and responsibility to get a proper ID? Like they were able to pay [poll taxes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_(United_States)) (or avoid them by having a grandfather who voted) and pass [literacy tests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test)? Does it bother you that the NC legislators were motivated by the desire to make it more difficult for black people to vote? ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9814 "2016-08-03T18:15:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Like they were able to pay [poll taxes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_(United_States)) (or avoid them by having a grandfather who voted) and pass [literacy tests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test)? Does it bother you that the NC legislators were motivated by the desire to make it more difficult for black people to vote? I don’t accept your question because: 1. The term “black people” doesn’t properly define a victim group here. Are there no successful ID holding Blacks in NC? Are there any other groups besides Blacks for which the proposed regulations would make it “more difficult” to vote? 2. As has already been brought up, voter registration, where required, makes it “more difficult” for everyone to vote. This is America–life is supposed to be difficult! No need to continue to blame people’s problems on history… ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9815 "2016-08-03T18:24:36Z")
I found this very interesting, in [an NPR story](http://www.npr.org/2016/08/02/488412824/voter-id-laws-face-uncertain-future-after-court-decisions) about the laws which have been struck down: > [@](#): > > MCEVERS: So if these laws did specifically want to stop voter fraud, what would that look like in your opinion? > > HASEN: Well, if you really wanted to get rid of the most prevalent form of voter fraud, you would not allow people to vote by absentee ballot, to vote by mail unless they had some kind of excuse, like they were out of the country or disabled. I have been arguing for years that vote-by-mail is terrible. It’s become very prevalent in the Pacific Northwest, and misguided progressives periodically advocate for expanding it. So glad to see some evidence for why that’s such a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9816 "2016-08-03T18:41:20Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > I don’t accept your question because: > > 1. The term “black people” doesn’t properly define a victim group here. Are there no successful ID holding Blacks in NC? Are there any other groups besides Blacks for which the proposed regulations would make it “more difficult” to vote? > 2. As has already been brought up, voter registration, where required, makes it “more difficult” for everyone to vote. This is America–life is supposed to be difficult! No need to continue to blame people’s problems on history… In this particular case, the NC legislators did specific research on how black people voted, and _only_ targeted those provisions that black people utilized far more than white people. They got rid of the early voting days that black people disproportionately used, and made unacceptable forms of ID that black people were more likely to use. The legislator’s justification, in court, for these restrictions hinged explicitly on race – they said that African Americans had too much access to the vote. They explicitly said that they made these changes because it was too easy, according to them, for black people to vote. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9817 "2016-08-03T19:00:34Z")
Kudos to **Bricker** , for voting against Trump, and not for the half-way measure of voting for Johnson. IIRC, **Bricker** lives in a swing state. If so, the chance his vote will save us from the short-fingered buffoon is much greater than the chance he’ll win the Powerball Lottery or be struck by lightning. > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Is this a move away from Trump in specific, or a move away from the principles currently espoused by the Republican party in general? While Trump is a caricature of America’s present-day insanity, he wasn’t the only buffoon on the GOP stage. I wonder if Bricker would vote for Cruz? For Huckabee or Carson? (I suppose there’s no point in hoping he would have voted against an evil right-winger like Walker.) But before we ask about his support for the “principles currently espoused by the Republican party” we should define what those are. [QUOTE=Preamble to the 2016 National Republican Platform] The Republican Party is energized to lead a turnaround from the failed policies of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, and this platform provides a thorough look at how we will restore prosperity and security to our country. [/QUOTE] This inanity outdoes any comment by all but the stupidest Dopers. One wonders what it even means. Of course they reject Romneycare (ACA), though would love it with the original name. Do they also reject the apprehension of Osama bin Laden? “Prosperity”? Do they reject that the S&P 500 Index _ **tripled** _ under President Obama? (That’s a record, son!) What is Trump going to do? Triple it again? No, for details we’d better turn to the GOP showcase state and show the Principles of the Republican Party of Texas, of which there are eleven: [QUOTE=2014 Platform, Republican Party of Texas] 1. Strict adherence to the original intent of the Declaration of Independence and United States and Texas Constitutions. 2. The sanctity of human life, created in the image of God, which should be protected from fertilization to natural death. 3. Preserving American and Texas sovereignty and freedom. 4. Limiting government power to those items enumerated in the United States and Texas Constitutions. 5. Personal accountability and responsibility. 6. Self-sufficient families, founded on the traditional marriage of a natural man and a natural woman. 7. Having an educated population, with parents having the freedom of choice for the education of their children. 8. Americans having the right to be safe in their homes, on their streets, and in their communities; and the unalienable right to defend themselves. 9. A free enterprise society unencumbered by government interference or subsidies. 10. Honoring all of those that serve and protect our freedom. 11. And we believe in “The laws of nature and nature’s God” as our Founding Fathers believed. [/QUOTE] Of the eleven Principles, two embrace homophobia, one calls for the overthrow of Roe v Wade, one is for the NRA, one is a lie — Texas leads the way in subverting education — and the rest are just platitudes — I’m surprised they didn’t make it an even dozen “Principles” by embracing Motherhood or Apple Pie. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9818 "2016-08-03T19:10:23Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > I don’t accept your question because: **iiandyiiii** has done an excellent job of addressing your ignorance. My question is: Were you [ul][li] Too lazy to read the summaries of the court ruling?[/li][li] Too arrogant to think the opinions of the judges were relevant?[/li][li] Too stupid to understand what you were reading?[/li][li] Dismayed that the facts didn’t fit your racist world-view?[/li][li] All of the above?[/li][/ul] Please respond! Fighting ignorance is much harder than we’d hoped. Feedback from the ignorant would be a great help. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9819 "2016-08-03T19:15:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I ask because I’m incredibly curious about how decent people who nonetheless support a party that I believe to be significantly infected by white supremacism feel about it. And I have to ask why you feel that the Republican Party is infected by “white supremasicm”, when looking at history shows clearly that the Democrats are the ones who have championed white supremacy from the post-Civil War days to the present. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/9820 "2016-08-03T19:18:52Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > And I have to ask why you feel that the Republican Party is infected by “white supremasicm”, when looking at history shows clearly that the Democrats are the ones who have championed white supremacy from the post-Civil War days to the present. The Democratic party championed white supremacy from the Civil War until the Civil Rights movement of the 60s, very roughly speaking. This post from **Martin Hyde** explains how things changed from Civil Rights on, pretty well: > [@Trump could win the election in a nowcast by FiveThirtyEight](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-could-win-the-election-in-a-nowcast-by-fivethirtyeight/760846/119): > > Where has the GOP’s electoral base been for the last 40 years? It’s been the Deep South. When did that happen? It happened when Goldwater came out against Civil Rights and Johnson came out for it. Before that, blacks somewhat split between the two parties. FDR had started to draw lots of black voters during the Depression, since many were willing to cross over from their traditional support for the “party of Lincoln”, especially outside the old south, due to his progressive economic policies. > > Goldwater made a stand against the Civil Rights Act based on small-government, small-c conservative principles. Many then and to this day accused Goldwater of being a racist–a claim I don’t support, I don’t think his beliefs were insincere, I think he was genuinely opposed to what he saw as an overstep in Federal authority. He supported civil rights, but on a state by state level in a way that didn’t violate the traditional laissez-faire approach from the Federal government in terms of business regulation. Now, I disagree with Goldwater, personally, as I think the approach we took was absolutely necessary. > > Since that time we (I say this as a Republican) gained a massive number of racist, hateful white voters. We’ve accepted their presence with a few conceits: > > 1. Real Republicans are Republicans for small-c conservative principles, pro-business, pro-growth policies, free trade, a focus on free markets etc. We are not against civil rights. > > 2. If racists in the South happen to vote for our economic agenda because they view it as being against the Democratic welfare state, which they view as primarily benefiting blacks, it’s unfortunate that their thinking is informed in this way, but we’ll happily take their votes. > > The problem is this has proven to be a devil’s bargain. We didn’t just get their votes, we’ve also had to accept their way of thinking. The party I’ve been a member of my entire life is now _primarily_ represented by what I’m calling the White Nationalist wing, these are the huge number of blue collar Southern whites who dislike blacks, and view the Federal government as a vehicle that taxes them and gives their money to “undeserving blacks” who are lazy welfare leaches. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=490) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=492)