# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 508
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2016, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10141 "2016-08-08T02:27:36Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > There’s a UNIVERSE of difference between “The his latter made the decision to remove early voting without the racial data” and “they AGAIN passed a bill to remove early voting”. Get your head in the game! > > If you can’t keep up with the his latter decisions, what kind of person are you?! A person who’s always rung, that’s who! ☹ I AM always rung. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10142 "2016-08-08T03:11:52Z")
Another rung on his latter. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2016, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10143 "2016-08-08T04:20:54Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Another rung on his latter. Another Bricker, the stall. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2016, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10144 "2016-08-08T04:28:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Nothing awkward about it. > > My goodness, you are dense. > > The his latter made the decision to remove early voting without the racial data. Right, which they did because they knew it would reduce minority voting, correct? > [@](#): > > > [@Bricker](#): > > > > Yes or no: Could the legislature have known _before the racial preferences data was prepared_ that their proposed laws would primarily impact minorities? > > > > YES > > > > Yes or no: Could the legislature have reasonably expected that reducing minority voting would increase Republican electoral chances? > > > > YES Glad you agree. So the fact they tried to restrict minority ability to vote earlier means nothing, right? > [@](#): > > Then after that, the governor vetoed their decision. Good for the governor! > [@](#): > > Then after that, they requested racial data. They sure did. But why did they request it? > [@](#): > > > [@Bricker](#): > > > > Yes or no: Could the legislature have requested the racial preferences data as a way to refine their proposed laws to more effectively target minority voting? > > YES Well, that’s just awful. > [@](#): > > Then after that, they AGAIN passed a bill to remove early voting. Surprise! > [@](#): > > And this time, a different governor was in office and signed it. What an asshole. > [@](#): > > What is so complicated about this ? Apparently everyone involved in the discussion is dense. Including this guy: > [@](#): > > > [@Bricker](#): > > > > Yes or no: Did the legislature modify the proposed laws after receipt of racial preferences data in such a way as to effectively reduce minority voting? > > YES Also the appellate court: > [@](#): > > The racial data provided to the legislators revealed that > African Americans disproportionately used early voting in both > 2008 and 2012. Id. at \*136-38; see also id. at \*48 n.74 (trial > evidence showing that 60.36% and 64.01% of African Americans > voted early in 2008 and 2012, respectively, compared to 44.47% > and 49.39% of whites). In particular, African Americans > disproportionately used the first seven days of early voting. > Id. After receipt of this racial data, the General Assembly > amended the bill to eliminate the first week of early voting, > shortening the total early voting period from seventeen to ten > days. Id. at \*15, \*136. As a result, SL 2013-381 also > eliminated one of two “souls-to-the-polls” Sundays in which > African American churches provided transportation to voters. > Id. at \*55. So much density… ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2016, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10145 "2016-08-08T05:04:12Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Cater to the intellectually deficient? > > I guess that’s a liberal position, too. > > But it seems to me that being upset about an “emotionally charged” position does not excuse anyone from the obligation to read and understand the language. Suppose I decided that all of my future SDMB posting was going to be written in an incredibly dense academic style, with super-long sentences, and every obscure and pretentious SAT word I could possibly imagine. I think that in general, we like to think that it’s admirable for people to have a good vocabulary, and admirable for people to be able to parse very long sentences. And yet, I’m certain that this new posting style would vastly decrease the likelihood that any one of my posts would actually communicate any new information to anyone, or convince anyone of anything. (Although it might actually increase my odds of meaningful communication with _you_…) So if I did that, and suddenly no one actually got what I was talking about, should I kvetch about how unworthy all the other posters were? Or should I realize that while I wasn’t doing anything technically _wrong_, I was doing something that severely lessened my likelihood of the communication that one assumes was my goal. I think it really comes down to what your goal is in posting on the SDMB. I sometimes feel (cheerfully acknowledging that this is just 5-cent pop psychoanalyzing of someone I’ve never met) that your goal is not to actually really communicate with people, or have any chance of changing people’s minds, but just to win points with some imaginary debate judge who is reading the SDMB and awarding merits and demerits. Would you rather phrase your posts such that your “opponents” are fuming and sputtering and insulting you and thus not actually scoring cogent points; or phrase them such that even the liberals who are predisposed to disagree with you and even dislike you at least clearly understand what your position is and what they’re arguing against? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2016, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10146 "2016-08-08T06:07:02Z")
> [@](#): > > …In particular, between 2000 and 2012, when the law provided for the voting mechanisms at issue here and did not require photo ID, _African American voter registration swelled by 51.1%._ (compared to an increase of 15.8% for white voters). African American turnout similarly surged, from 41.9% in 2000 to 71.5% in 2008 and 68.5% in 2012. Not coincidentally, during this period North Carolina emerged as a swing state in national elections… (Emphasis mine, mine, all mine, bwa-hah-hah…) From the HuffPo story on the case, here… > **[Fourth Circuit Strikes Down Discriminatory Provisions of Gov. Pat McCrory's...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fourth-circuit-strikes-do_b_11270532)** > > Fourth Circuit Strikes Down Discriminatory Provisions of Gov. Pat McCrory's North Carolina "Omnibus" Election Law Don’t feel a comment is necessary, but if anyone does, they are welcome to make it. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2016, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10147 "2016-08-08T07:39:53Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Cater to the intellectually deficient? > > I guess that’s a liberal position, too. The stupidity is strong with you. Rather than squirting out your hypocrisies and whines, maybe you should take a little quiz so we can see if you’re even as well-informed as the average Doper. - Which Party receives support from a majority of Americans with PhDs? - Which Party has the most high-ranking members who don’t believe in evolution? Don’t believe in AGW? - Compare the intellectual content of the typical discourses of the two Parties. Which convention had the more intellectual roster of speakers? Lies, snide whines, and fact-free rants flow from your orifice like uncontrollable diarrhea. Try some Imodium®. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10148 "2016-08-08T22:58:24Z")
Bricker’s painted himself into a corner, here. We _could_ be polite, withhold further scorn and let him acknowledge the inconsistency in his statements, if that’s not too stereotypical of liberal coddling. We _could_… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10149 "2016-08-08T23:42:21Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I think it really comes down to what your goal is in posting on the SDMB. I sometimes feel (cheerfully acknowledging that this is just 5-cent pop psychoanalyzing of someone I’ve never met) that your goal is not to actually really communicate with people, or have any chance of changing people’s minds, but just to win points with some imaginary debate judge who is reading the SDMB and awarding merits and demerits. That’s it. Or, as Charlie Sheen would put it, “Winning!” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10150 "2016-08-09T00:02:52Z")
Never makes any difference. Boy is a stubborn as an opinionated boulder. Ever notice when some guy comes along in one of the longer threads, seems like he wants to be the **Bricker** Whisperer? Like he’s got stage four Broderism. If only **Bricker** were spoken to respectfully, without antagonism or snark. Listen to his points and offer cordial criticism and polite disagreement, and a perfectly cromulent discussion will arise. All very nice, tea and crumpets, roses and _hashish_. Never lasts. Sooner or later he wears them down. Point being, he has a lasting impact on them, but he isn’t even dented! Plus ten Silver Paladin Armor of Crystal Vanadian Steel. Even Phandal’s Excellent Prismatic Spray is just so much dazzle dust! Rock of Gibraltar, standing by the water, and it shall not be moved, either. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2016, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10151 "2016-08-09T13:22:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Never makes any difference. Boy is a stubborn as an opinionated boulder. > > Ever notice when some guy comes along in one of the longer threads, seems like he wants to be the **Bricker** Whisperer? Like he’s got stage four Broderism. If only **Bricker** were spoken to respectfully, without antagonism or snark. Listen to his points and offer cordial criticism and polite disagreement, and a perfectly cromulent discussion will arise. All very nice, tea and crumpets, roses and _hashish_. > > Never lasts. Sooner or later he wears them down. Point being, he has a lasting impact on them, but he isn’t even dented! Plus ten Silver Paladin Armor of Crystal Vanadian Steel. Even Phandal’s Excellent Prismatic Spray is just so much dazzle dust! > > Rock of Gibraltar, standing by the water, and it shall not be moved, either. I’m more of a befriender than a whisperer. For a few years now, this thread’s been my personal guilty pleasure. I fire up my browser, and see “I Pit the ID-demanding GOP voter suppressors” has new posts, and I clap my hands and exclaim, “Yay, the Bricker show is on!” This last couple weeks have been in our slow season, so I’ve had a bit more time for non-productive diversions. I had no expectations of actually changing anyone’s minds, I was just poking and prodding to get a better idea of what makes my favorite drama character tick. I do feel I better understand his motives and goals, so it has been productive for me. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2016, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10152 "2016-08-17T10:40:59Z")
The _N.Y. Times_, America’s libtard pinko pro-terrorist paper of record, [offered its opinion on Republican vote suppression.](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/opinion/sunday/echoes-of-jim-crow-for-sparta-voters.html?smid=tw-nytopinion) > [@](#): > > In Sparta, Ga., last year, white election officials decided to systematically question the registrations of more than 180 voters, mostly African-Americans, by dispatching sheriff’s deputies to flag them down. These voters were served with “courtesy” summonses ordering them to appear in person to prove their residence to officials or lose their voting rights. > > In an echo of the Jim Crow South, the black voters described how they were suddenly approached by a uniformed police officer challenging their right to vote. “I was kind of nervous,” one of the voters told Michael Wines of The Times. “I didn’t know what to do.” Local officials said the goal was to guard against voter fraud. This false excuse has been used to impose numerous voter suppression rules this election year — a threat that research has repeatedly shown is not a problem in American elections. > > With the Supreme Court having gutted the Voting Rights Act provision that required all voting changes in Georgia to be pre-cleared by federal monitors, black Sparta residents had no option but to file a lawsuit last year challenging the purging of 53 registered voters from the rolls. They accused election officials of scheming to give an edge in municipal elections to a white mayoral candidate, who eventually won by a narrow vote in the 2015 election. > > The Sparta case is only one of a number of voter suppression attempts underway in jurisdictions with histories of racial discrimination. A June survey by the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund found that governments in six former pre-clearance states have introduced a range of restrictions, including limiting registration days and polling places and strict voter identification requirements that disproportionately affect minority voters. I’ll try to save our **Esquire Bricker** a click by outlining the immorality of the _N.Y. Times_. Nowhere did these libtards mention confidence in the integrity of electoral outcomes. :smack: If I were a white supremacist I would certainly have less confidence in voting outcomes if the fine sheriff of Sparta weren’t vigilantly striking blacks from the rolls. Wasn’t it the famous jurist William Blackstone who wrote "“It is better that a hundred eligible blacks be disenfranchised than that one homeless soul be suffered to vote”? Some complain that the Voting Rights Act was overturned by a narrow 5-4 margin. These immoral Hannity-hating oafs can’t do simple arithmetic. The vote was 2003-4. Of course the votes of Scalia and Thomas, the two greatest legal scholars since Hammurabi, should count 1000 each. ---
**Author:** ![manitou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@manitou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manitou)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10153 "2016-08-19T01:59:01Z")
The North Carolina Republican party just can’t help themselves. They really, really want fewer early voting opportunities, no Sunday voting, and no college campus voting. [http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article96181187.html](http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article96181187.html) Clearly, this will make voter confidence skyrocket. ---
**Author:** ![aliensshow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@aliensshow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aliensshow)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10154 "2016-08-19T03:16:40Z")
Nice to see liberal racists (an oxymoron) continue to loudly proclaim that blacks and other minorities are too stupid to get photo IDs. Have their hoods arrived back from the cleaners yet? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10155 "2016-08-19T03:51:15Z")
Dennis Miller, look out! **Aliensshow** is here with the snappy lines! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10156 "2016-08-19T04:14:47Z")
Polling North Carolina Trump supporters… > [@](#): > > …More specifically 40% of Trump voters think that ACORN (which hasn’t existed in years) will steal the election for Clinton… > **[Clinton leads in NC for first time since March - Public Policy Polling](https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/polls/clinton-leads-in-nc-for-first-time-since-march/)** > > PPP’s newest North Carolina poll finds Hillary Clinton leading in the state, albeit by a narrow margin, for the first time since March. She’s at 43% to 41% for Donald Trump, 7% for Gary Johnson, and 2% for Jill Stein. In a head to head contest just... Would it be better if the Republicans of NC wanted to suppress black voters because they vote Dem rather than simply because they are black? Is that a step upward, toward the post-racial Republican Party? ---
**Author:** ![manitou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@manitou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manitou)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10157 "2016-08-19T04:34:55Z")
“We allow both kinds of voters: Republicans AND Conservatives.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10158 "2016-08-19T11:23:10Z")
> [@aliensshow](#): > > Nice to see liberal racists (an oxymoron) continue to loudly proclaim that blacks and other minorities are too stupid to get photo IDs. It’s \*\*\*Bricker \*\*\*making that claim here, not liberals. Go do your homework, kid. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10159 "2016-08-19T11:29:41Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s \*\*\*Bricker \*\*\*making that claim here, not liberals. > > Go do your homework, kid. That would involve, y’know, thinking and looking at facts and stuff. That’s difficult for some people. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10160 "2016-08-19T16:20:40Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s \*\*\*Bricker \*\*\*making that claim here, not liberals. > > Go do your homework, kid. Maybe look up what “oxymoron” means while you’re at it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=507) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=509)