# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 509
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10161 "2016-08-19T18:44:15Z")
Betcha its the soft bigotry of low expectations. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10162 "2016-08-20T14:02:32Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Maybe look up what “oxymoron” means while you’re at it. Maybe you think you have a point but lack the verbal skills to state it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10163 "2016-08-20T14:38:47Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Betcha its the soft bigotry of low expectations. I’m pretty sure it’s shorthand for “your mind on drugs”. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10164 "2016-08-20T14:53:40Z")
Hell, **John** , my mind isn’t on drugs, its nine o’clock in the friggin’ morning! Sure, got some Colombian Supremo here, but its coffee! I have strict rules about that sort of thing. OK, guidelines. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10165 "2016-08-20T15:02:20Z")
That was the generic “your”, in case it wasn’t clear. I’m sure you remember the old public service announcement. If memory hasn’t been too clouded… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10166 "2016-08-20T16:58:35Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Maybe you think you have a point but lack the verbal skills to state it. Not you, dipshit. **aliensshow**. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10167 "2016-08-21T16:43:08Z")
Ah, I thought it might have meant something that you quoted _me_, not him. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10168 "2016-08-21T22:43:53Z")
I read it as **Miller** quoting you telling **aliensshow** to do his homework, then adding his own specific task (looking up that word) to the homework assignment. But I could be wrong and, as always, YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10169 "2016-08-22T17:35:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Betcha its the soft bigotry of low expectations. Or as **aliensshow** would state it: “The soft bigamy of low exaltations.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10170 "2016-08-25T20:09:23Z")
A day without Kris Kobach is like a day without irritable bowel syndrome! From our good friends at _Daily Kos_… > **[Kris Kobach has yet another plan to rig the election for Republicans](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/8/25/1563577/-Kris-Kobach-has-yet-another-plan-to-rig-the-election-for-Republicans)** > > Kris Kobach is the nation's number one hater of people of color, young people, Democrats in general. From authoring Arizona's notorious "papers please" anti-immigration law to coming up with the idea that Mexico will pay for Donald Trump's wall,... **Kris Kobach has yet another plan to rig the election for Republicans** You’ll have to read the whole thing to get all the details, but in an buttshell… The much-reviled Mr Kobach is pushing a interstate data project called, innocently enough, the “Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program”. This project is a response to the ever-threatening problem of voters registering to vote in two different states, with expected results on the all important value of “voter confidence”. > [@](#): > > …Thirteen percent of the people on the Crosscheck list, already flagged as inactive voters, were almost immediately removed, meaning a stunning 41,637 names were “canceled” from voter rolls, most of them just before Election Day." Here’s the problem with those lists, though: one-fourth of the names of purged voters didn’t have a middle-name match; father and son relationships are ignored, as Jr. and Sr. designations aren’t included; birthdates and Social Security numbers were not included at all. The matches were purely made up. In Georgia, according to Crosscheck, “James Willie Brown is supposed to be the same voter as James Arthur Brown. James Clifford Brown is allegedly the same voter as James Lynn Brown.” > > They had Mark Swedlund, a database expert whose clients include eBay and American Express, analyze the lists from Georgia and Virginia and “he was shocked by Crosscheck’s ‘childish methodology,’” saying “God forbid your name is Garcia, of which there are 858,000 in the U.S., and your first name is Joseph or Jose. You’re probably suspected of voting in 27 states.” According to his statistical analysis, African American, Latino and Asian are dominant on the list. Surprise! What that means: “an astonishing one in six Hispanics, one in seven Asian-Americans and one in nine African-Americans in Crosscheck states landing on the list.”… Sadly, no information is available on the positive effect on voter confidence. Nor is there any information on a reduction of the threat from unicorn stampedes. Their data is shit. Their database is shit[sup]2[/sup]. And they will probably get away with it. (Your correspondent from the conservative wing of the extreme left recognizes that we have this from two much maligned sources, _Daily Kos_ and _Rolling Stone_. If your rebuttal is going to consist of nothing more than these two facts, I will save you the time.) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10171 "2016-08-26T02:45:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The much-reviled Mr Kobach is pushing a interstate data project called, innocently enough, the “Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program”. This project is a response to the ever-threatening problem of voters registering to vote in two different states, with expected results on the all important value of “voter confidence”. The software doesn’t even need to be obviously slanted by race; the Repugnants benefit just by attacking surname commonality. As seen [in this table](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_common_surnames_in_North_America#United_States_.28American.29), 13 of America’s 16 most common surnames are less than 73% White. For example, Williams, the 3rd most common surname, is 47% Black. (I knew I’d seen this table recently and hunted for it via Google, [census.gov](http://census.gov), and Chrome history. It turned up on … _ **Wikipedia** _! Yay!) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10172 "2016-08-28T02:12:08Z")
It’s too bad **Bricker** hasn’t given us the definitive legal and moral answer regarding Crosscheck. Again I’ll substitute in, saving our overworked **Esquire** a click. The Crosscheck program is democracy at its finest, ensuring that voters have faith in the electoral process. Without it, a George B. Jackson could vote in North Carolina in the morning, and fly to Idaho in time to vote there as George F. Jackson in the afternoon. American democracy would be shattered if people could vote twice for the price of an airplane ticket. So what if a hundred other George Jacksons are unable to vote — it’s the certitude that illegal votes aren’t being cast that makes for faith in the Democratic process. As for equating the two George Jacksons despite the different middle names, this is a necessary countermeasure. The conniving master criminals who’ve nothing better to do than spend Election Day on an airplane so they can vote twice are certainly duplicitous enough to use fake middle names. As for the charge that it is minorities who are most affected by Crosscheck: Ha ha! It was you Blacks that were so stupid that so many of you used the surname Jackson; Nanner nanner nanner. You lose. And you’re all immoral liberals anyway. Because Karl Rove. How did I do, **Bricker**? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10173 "2016-08-28T06:47:33Z")
You only said his name twice. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10174 "2016-08-28T07:00:22Z")
Let me help **Bricker** one more time. He’s constantly whining that voting at wrong addresses is a serious problem, but has never been able to come up with an example. [So I’ve found an example for him.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/26/steve-bannon-florida-registered-vote-donald-trump) You’re welcome, **Bricker**. Obviously Steve Bannon did not commit his felony in order to vote twice. Only stupid right-wingers and lying Republiopaths ever pretend that someone would risk a felony just to vote twice. No, Bannon committed his felony for the very Republican purpose of _tax evasion._ **Bricker** , like most Repugnicans, probably applauds tax evasion which defunds the Kenyan death camps and gives the money to “Job Creation.” Still, he has been searching without success for an example of fraudulent voter registration, so I wanted to help out. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10175 "2016-08-28T16:50:40Z")
**Bricker**? We’ve not heard from you; don’t make me put words in your mouth again. [Here is another article on _Crosscheck_](http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-gops-stealth-war-against-voters-w435890). Is this an appropriate way to give citizens confidence in electoral integrity? Is it the legal democratic workings of legally elected democratic governments that make us so very very proud to live in such a legal democracy? Is it turnabout-as-fair-play for the murders of Vice Foster, and the Zodiac Killer’s victims? Is it just Nanner, nanner , nanner. Ha ha ha! You lose? We really do want to to hear the opinion of our Republiopathic legal scholar on this innovative program by the politicians you admire so very very much. I say we give **Bricker** a full 24 hours to recover from his hebephrenic cringing, but if he doesn’t show up by then let’s have a contest to see which Doper can write the best parody of \*\*Bricker’\*\*s “thought” processes. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10176 "2016-08-28T18:16:46Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > **Bricker**? We’ve not heard from you; don’t make me put words in your mouth again. I don’t understand your concern; you’ve already displayed your eagerness to abolish the legislature and put your liberal flats in THEIR mouths. [/brickerparody] ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10177 "2016-08-28T21:41:38Z")
So far as I can observe, you’re happier writing my dialog and then debating it than you ever were with my actual words. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10178 "2016-08-28T21:54:18Z")
While it is a fairly low form of debate, and should be scorned, your actual words were of such a grotesque level of obvious dishonesty that a parody of them is very hard to distinguish from the reality. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10179 "2016-08-28T22:08:56Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > **Bricker**? We’ve not heard from you; don’t make me put words in your mouth again. Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! That is one of the best threats/rebukes I’ve ever seen in the Pit! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10180 "2016-08-29T03:51:18Z")
People, please! Don’t you trust our representatives? They know what they’re doing! It’s too easy to vote in more than one state. Obviously, all of these low income minorities and young people have the time and resources to travel around from state to state (all in one day) in order to vote more than once! And we all know how eager people are to get up off their lazy asses and vote! And voting in more than one state is so easy and risk free that it’s obvious that it will be an epidemic without massive purges! Sure a few innocents may be targeted, but that’s the price we pay for freedom and confidence in our election results!!1!11! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=508) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=510)