# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 514
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10261 "2016-09-02T15:06:41Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > The problem is, according to the majority (in this thread) position, that the changes proposed by the Republicans, while _claiming_ do improve the above, will have little or no impact when it comes to their stated aim, **but a large amount of “splash damage” which will disenfranchise legitimate voters**. I have heard this claim made repeatedly. I would really like for someone to show how any legitimate voter would be disenfranchised. The Washington Examiner put together a list a while back of things that you do need a picture ID to do: > [@](#): > > You need one to open a bank account, or to apply for a job to fill that bank account. > > You also need an ID to file for unemployment, and to apply for welfare, and Medicaid, and food stamps. > > You need a photo ID to apply for Social Security > > And to buy a home, and apply for a mortgage, or to rent a home. > > You need a photo ID to drive a car, you need one to buy a new car, to buy a used car, heck, you even need one to rent a car. > > You need a photo ID to get on an airplane, and you need one to get married, and you need one to check into a hotel room for your honeymoon. > > You need a photo ID to buy a gun, and to apply for a hunting license and a fishing license, and even to adopt a pet. > > You need a photo ID to pick up a prescription, you need one to buy certain kinds of cold medicine, and you need one to donate blood. > > You need a photo ID to enter a casino, and you need one to buy lottery tickets. > > You need one to buy a video game that’s rated M for Mature, and you need one to see a movie rated NC-17. > > You need a photo ID to buy a cell phone and apply for a coverage plan and, in perhaps the greatest irony of the entire Voter ID debate, you need a photo ID to hold a rally or protest, such as a rally or protest against requiring a photo ID to vote. I’ll add that you need one to buy booze, or to visit a doctor or hospital, or to cash a check. Given all that, how in the blue blazes can anyone possibly imagine that someone WON’T have a picture ID on them when they show up to vote? I haven’t shown my voter registration card for probably 20 years or more. I just show up, hand them my DL, they look me up on the list, I sign my name and step over to the booth. This whole voter disenfranchisement thing is bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10262 "2016-09-02T15:52:02Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I have heard this claim made repeatedly. I would really like for someone to show how any legitimate voter would be disenfranchised. > > The Washington Examiner put together a list a while back of things that you do need a picture ID to do: > > I’ll add that you need one to buy booze, or to visit a doctor or hospital, or to cash a check. > > Given all that, how in the blue blazes can anyone possibly imagine that someone WON’T have a picture ID on them when they show up to vote? Because Democrats are nervously aware that the same kind of hapless stupidity that makes it impossible to get a photo ID is the same kind that makes people vote Democratic in the first place. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10263 "2016-09-02T15:59:29Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Because Democrats are nervously aware that the same kind of hapless stupidity that makes it impossible to get a photo ID is the same kind that makes people vote Democratic in the first place. First a top-notch straw-man attack, and now this delectable broad-brushing insult? Encore! Encore! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10264 "2016-09-02T16:34:51Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I have heard this claim made repeatedly. I would really like for someone to show how any legitimate voter would be disenfranchised. > > The Washington Examiner put together a list a while back of things that you do need a picture ID to do: > > I’ll add that you need one to buy booze, or to visit a doctor or hospital, or to cash a check. > > Given all that, how in the blue blazes can anyone possibly imagine that someone WON’T have a picture ID on them when they show up to vote? I haven’t shown my voter registration card for probably 20 years or more. I just show up, hand them my DL, they look me up on the list, I sign my name and step over to the booth. > > This whole voter disenfranchisement thing is bullshit. > [@Shodan](#): > > Because Democrats are nervously aware that the same kind of hapless stupidity that makes it impossible to get a photo ID is the same kind that makes people vote Democratic in the first place. > > Regards, > Shodan Of course the implication here is that you guys think that the courts are also stupid. > **[As November Approaches, Courts Deal Series Of Blows To Voter ID Laws](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/02/488392765/as-november-approaches-courts-deal-series-of-blows-to-voter-id-laws)** > > In the past two weeks, judges have ruled against voter ID or proof-of-citizenship requirements in Texas, Kansas, North Carolina, Wisconsin and North Dakota. > [@](#): > > On July 29, a three-judge panel of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned North Carolina’s sweeping voter ID law (which included a host of other voting restrictions, including shortening the early voting period and banning same-day registration). > > And — unlike in Texas — the appeals court ruled that North Carolina legislators had actually passed the law with discriminatory intent. > > As the Two-Way reported then, "The appeals court noted that the North Carolina Legislature ‘requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices’ — then, data in hand, ‘enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans.’ " > > The court wrote that the changes to the voting process “target African Americans with almost surgical precision,” and “impose cures for problems that did not exist.” Unfortunately for right wingers, unlike in Trump’s case not all courts are full of “Mexican” judges if you want to disparage those courts. Most of them are just being fair and can see through the right wing bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10265 "2016-09-02T16:39:01Z")
Great - the appeals court agrees that Democrats are lazy and stupid. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10266 "2016-09-02T16:53:08Z")
So, how come you guys can’t win without cheating? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10267 "2016-09-02T17:26:51Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Great - the appeals court agrees that Democrats are lazy and stupid. > > Regards, > Shodan Boo, we’ve already seen the broad-brush insults. Give us something new! How about some ridiculous hyperbole? Or a cite-free assertion that turns out to be totally wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10268 "2016-09-02T18:25:34Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I have heard this claim made repeatedly. I would really like for someone to show how any legitimate voter would be disenfranchised. > > The Washington Examiner put together a list a while back of things that you do need a picture ID to do: > > I’ll add that you need one to buy booze, or to visit a doctor or hospital, or to cash a check. None of which are rights guaranteed by the Constitution. You know, that document that conservatives pretend to revere? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10269 "2016-09-02T19:29:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Boo, we’ve already seen the broad-brush insults. Give us something new! How about some ridiculous hyperbole? Or a cite-free assertion that turns out to be totally wrong? I have to leave something for you to do. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10270 "2016-09-02T19:32:35Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I have to leave something for you to do. > > Regards, > Shodan That’s it! That’s the one! The classic “I know you are but what am I?” turnaround! You top yourself again! Give us more, please! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10271 "2016-09-02T19:54:45Z")
**Bricker**? Come back, all is forgiven. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10272 "2016-09-02T19:58:34Z")
By the bye, the following from your good friends at _Talking Points Memo_, without which no citizen can hope to be well informed. [http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/north-carolina-early-voting-state-board](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/north-carolina-early-voting-state-board) Boiled down, its about the various shenanigans NC is using to try to get around as much of the recent court decision as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10273 "2016-09-02T20:23:37Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Given all that, how in the blue blazes can anyone possibly imagine that someone WON’T have a picture ID on them when they show up to vote? It helps if your imagination has not been echo-chambered into atrophy by Fox News. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10274 "2016-09-02T20:31:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > **Bricker**? Come back, all is forgiven. Like hell it is. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10275 "2016-09-02T20:38:59Z")
Three hits of **Shodan** , couple of doses of **Clothahump** , I become very generous and forgiving. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10276 "2016-09-02T22:09:43Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > **Bricker**? Come back, all is forgiven. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Like hell it is. Beat me to it. He isn’t forgiven until he completes the sacrificial attritions (and even some of those only shorten his time in Purgatory.) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2016, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10277 "2016-09-02T22:44:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That’s it! That’s the one! The classic “I know you are but what am I?” turnaround! You top yourself again! Give us more, please! For all our sakes, I hope he’s the rare conservative smart enough to understand sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2016, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10278 "2016-09-03T01:34:04Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Great - the appeals court agrees that Democrats are lazy and stupid. > > Regards, > Shodan Well, you showed all that you prefer to go for a sarcastic failure of reading comprehension and a lazy drive-by. I think you just demonstrated to all who is the lazy one in this case. The reality remains, the Republicans used their intelligence and their work “ethic” to tirelessly find ways to disenfranchise voters that many time had no cars and worked every day so they had little chance to get that needed ID or to vote. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts\_law/inside-the-republican-creation-of-the-north-carolina-voting-bill-dubbed-the-monster-law/2016/09/01/79162398-6adf-11e6-8225-fbb8a6fc65bc\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/inside-the-republican-creation-of-the-north-carolina-voting-bill-dubbed-the-monster-law/2016/09/01/79162398-6adf-11e6-8225-fbb8a6fc65bc_story.html) > [@](#): > > RALEIGH, N.C. — The emails to the North Carolina election board seemed routine at the time. > > “Is there any way to get a breakdown of the 2008 voter turnout, by race (white and black) and type of vote (early and Election Day)?” a staffer for the state’s Republican-controlled legislature asked in January 2012. > > “Is there no category for ‘Hispanic’ voter?” a GOP lawmaker asked in March 2013 after requesting a range of data, including how many voters cast ballots outside their precinct. > > And in April 2013, a top aide to the Republican House speaker asked for “a breakdown, by race, of those registered voters in your database that do not have a driver’s license number.” > > Months later, the North Carolina legislature passed a law that cut a week of early voting, eliminated out-of-precinct voting and required voters to show specific types of photo ID — restrictions that election board data demonstrated would disproportionately affect African Americans and other minorities. > > Critics dubbed it the “monster” law — a sprawling measure that stitched together various voting restrictions being tested in other states. As civil rights groups have sued to block the North Carolina law and others like it around the country, several thousand pages of documents have been produced under court order, revealing the details of how Republicans crafted these measures > [@](#): > > The Rev. William Barber II, president of North Carolina’s NAACP chapter, said the policies enacted by the law speak for themselves. > > “You didn’t hear about fraud in North Carolina until blacks started voting in large numbers,” said Barber, who has also led a series of large protests against the law. “Then all of a sudden, there’s a problem with how people are voting.” > > “People keep asking, ‘When they passed this law, were they racist in their heart?’ It doesn’t matter,” he added. “You look at the heart of their policies. If I tell you this law is going to affect black people more than anyone else, and you still go ahead and do it, you yourself are making clear exactly what you are.” > > **Longtime Republican consultant Carter Wrenn** , a fixture in North Carolina politics, said the GOP’s voter fraud argument is nothing more than an excuse. > > “Of course it’s political. Why else would you do it?” he said, explaining that Republicans, like any political party, want to protect their majority. While GOP lawmakers might have passed the law to suppress some voters, Wrenn said, that does not mean it was racist. > > “Look, if African Americans voted overwhelmingly Republican, they would have kept early voting right where it was,” Wrenn said. “It wasn’t about discriminating against African Americans. They just ended up in the middle of it because they vote Democrat.” > > Barber, though, argued that Republicans are playing with words. > > “You can’t expect racists to come right out and sound like racists,” he said. “They’ve substituted the word ‘racial’ with the word ‘political.’ ” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2016, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10279 "2016-09-03T01:34:12Z")
> [@](#): > > For all our sakes, I hope he’s the rare conservative smart enough to understand sarcasm. He could be the other one. ---
**Author:** ![Lucky\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Lucky\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucky_Mike)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2016, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10280 "2016-09-04T12:38:45Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Republicans want voter ID because they think that criminals and illegal aliens vote Democratic. Democrats oppose voter ID because they agree. Missed our meds this morning, did we? > > Regards, > Shodan Not quite right. Republicans want voter ID laws because it disproportionately effects African American voters in critical battleground states they need to win to control the Senate and presidency. There are multiple reports where they expressly say this. [http://www.vox.com/2016/9/2/12774066/voter-id-laws-racist?ICID=ref\_fark](http://www.vox.com/2016/9/2/12774066/voter-id-laws-racist?ICID=ref_fark) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=513) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=515)