# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 520
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10381 "2016-10-26T15:46:43Z")
[Actual I.D. demanding GOP vote suppression attempted by Trumpettes.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/vote-protectors-voter-intimidation_us_580e4e63e4b0a03911ee03bc) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10382 "2016-10-26T15:54:18Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > …Republican clerks in Ohio had a cute way of allocating voting machines to Republican areas and keeping them scarce in Democratic areas. This is how its done. How many years now has it been, that you see news photos of people waiting for hours to vote. What is the color breakdown of those lines? Suppose you were to come forward with a proposal to ensure at least a rough equality in voting machine availability. Anyone want to guess which political party would oppose it? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10383 "2016-10-26T20:02:23Z")
\*Some \*Republicans \*may \*have partisan motives, so it has been admitted here. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2016, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10384 "2016-10-26T20:16:37Z")
> **[Fox’s Bill Hemmer Calls It ‘Good News’ That White Vote Is Up, Black Vote Down...](https://www.newshounds.us/fox_s_bill_hemmer_calls_good_news_white_vote_up_black_vote_down_ohio_102516)** **Fox’s Bill Hemmer Calls It ‘Good News’ That White Vote Is Up, Black Vote Down In Ohio** > [@](#): > > In a discussion with the Republican National Committee’s chief strategist and communications director, Sean Spicer, Hemmer spilled the beans: > > HEMMER: I’m looking at early voting. You have good news in Ohio. White share of the vote’s up three points from four years ago. Black share of the vote is down seven… So, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10385 "2016-10-29T16:56:20Z")
Actual voter fraud! In Iowa. For whom did the voter in question fraudulently vote? Donald Trump. That’s two, two, two votes for Trump. I wonder, do they eliminate one as fraudulent, and count one as valid? > **[Trump supporter charged with voting twice in Iowa](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-with-voting-twice-in-iowa/?utm_term=.6b68a8f7be85)** > > Terri Lynn Rote said she cast two ballots because “the polls are rigged.” ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10386 "2016-10-29T18:58:08Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Actual voter fraud! > In Iowa. For whom did the voter in question fraudulently vote? Donald Trump. > That’s two, two, two votes for Trump. I wonder, do they eliminate one as fraudulent, and count one as valid? > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-with-voting-twice-in-iowa/?utm\_term=.6b68a8f7be85](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-with-voting-twice-in-iowa/?utm_term=.6b68a8f7be85) As I said over in the stretch run thread, this illustrates why these people believe in voter fraud. They think that it’s possible to just walk in any polling place and cast a vote. This woman is finding out the hard way that it isn’t that simple. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10387 "2016-10-30T06:41:36Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Actual voter fraud! > In Iowa. For whom did the voter in question fraudulently vote? Donald Trump. > That’s two, two, two votes for Trump. I wonder, do they eliminate one as fraudulent, and count one as valid? > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-with-voting-twice-in-iowa/?utm\_term=.6b68a8f7be85](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-with-voting-twice-in-iowa/?utm_term=.6b68a8f7be85) She’s a self-styled “Deplorable” and she was fired from her job for calling her co-worker a “ni\*\*er”. Yeah. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10388 "2016-10-30T12:28:28Z")
Words have meaning, Donald. > [@](#): > > Rote told Iowa Public Radio that she cast her first ballot for Trump but feared it would be changed to a vote for Hillary Clinton. > > “The polls are rigged,” Rote told the radio station. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10389 "2016-10-30T12:34:22Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [Clerk in Green Bay doesn’t like students voting](http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/10/25/wisconsin-clerk-caught-blocking-campus-voting-cuz-students-lean-democrat/) > Vote suppression by lack of access. > > Cute little trick GOPers love to use. Just make voters they don’t like wait hours and hours to vote. One of my kid’s friends, who was a student at Oberlin in 2004, waited in line for 12 hours to vote. In a cold rain, no less. Many fellow students, of course, gave up and didn’t vote. Republican clerks in Ohio had a cute way of allocating voting machines to Republican areas and keeping them scarce in Democratic areas. When are you Marxists, atheists, queer-lovers and proponents of public financing for fine arts finally going to stop grinding the same axe? The Board’s very own Constitutional Esquire has patiently explained, over and over and over, that _ **vote suppression improves our confidence in election integrity** _. The students who turned away rather than waiting in the rain for 12 hours either [ul][li] Don’t really care after all whether a homophobe or baby-killer is elected and deserve whatever vile government they get. Had they cared they would have waited in the rain for 12 hours, or even 120 hours. Did the Marines on Iwo Jima turn around when it started to drizzle?[/li]OR [li] Should be proud for the hours they did sacrifice before learning that their votes just weren’t wanted. We should applaud sacrifices like theirs which make our democracy strong: by allowing their votes to be suppressed they improved Americans’ confidence in the electoral system.[/li][/ul] These two reasons may seem slightly contradictory. I too am confused by this — let’s wait for our Constitutional Esquire to show up and set us straight. **Brickhead**? If enough voters turn away in Ohio and Pennsylvania, they may become, collectively, _Time_’s Man of the Year! With enough young voters turned away, confidence in the election will be so improved that Donald J. Trump, darling of 70% of America’s uneducated white males, will become the Most Powerful Human on the Planet. Bravo! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10390 "2016-10-30T14:09:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Polizette is right-wing entertainer Laura Ingraham’s politics website. Fair and balanced, with not a hint of “agenda” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10391 "2016-10-31T15:16:54Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Actual voter fraud! > In Iowa. For whom did the voter in question fraudulently vote? Donald Trump. > That’s two, two, two votes for Trump. I wonder, do they eliminate one as fraudulent, and count one as valid? > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-with-voting-twice-in-iowa/?utm\_term=.6b68a8f7be85](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-with-voting-twice-in-iowa/?utm_term=.6b68a8f7be85) And now Trump is suggesting that his other followers [follow her example](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-vote-twice_us_5816ad80e4b0990edc31e17f).:smack: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10392 "2016-10-31T15:56:10Z")
To be ruthlessly fair to the undeserving… He said go and check in, fill out another ballot that would _cancel_ your previous ballot, so there would only be one vote, but you would be sure of that one. He did go on to suggest that the other guys are voting illegally several times over, but he did not actually approve. Don’t make me do this again, tequila and bongwater is expensive. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10393 "2016-10-31T21:17:34Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > To be ruthlessly fair to the undeserving… > > He said go and check in, fill out another ballot that would _cancel_ your previous ballot, so there would only be one vote, but you would be sure of that one. He did go on to suggest that the other guys are voting illegally several times over, but he did not actually approve. > > Don’t make me do this again, tequila and bongwater is expensive. He also said to do that in a state where it’s explicitly prohibited to do so. So it’s more of a “He’s advocating voter fraud” or “He’s a complete imbecile”. Both are equally likely. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10394 "2016-10-31T21:35:24Z")
Oh, really? Well, in that case I rescind my defense! Feel much better now, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10395 "2016-11-03T08:40:29Z")
[Here’s a good article on Republican voter suppression.](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2016/10/republicans_are_already_suppressing_minority_votes_all_over_america.html) In some cases, the Repugnants are able to strike voters from the rolls because of the recent decision by Scalia and the Other Nasties. Wisconsin has denied thousands of Blacks the right to vote, often demanding birth certificates from blacks when all other documentation is in order. Here are two other paragraphs from the article: > [@](#): > > In Texas, Molly E. Neck saw voter suppression in action. When Neck went to vote in San Antonio, she saw a sign declaring that all voters must present a valid ID before casting a ballot. That was simply false: The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit struck down that requirement in August, allowing voters with no ID to sign an affidavit attesting to their identity instead. Texas officials have already been caught violating this ruling by misleading voters about ID requirements in official voting materials, leading a judge to place the state under court supervision. But individual counties continue to falsely inform voters that an ID is necessary to vote. A federal judge ordered Neck’s county to comply with the order and remove the false signs. But there are 254 counties in Texas. Judges and voting rights advocates will not win this game of whack-a-mole; it is inevitable that some voters will continue to be lied to by election officials. > > In Indiana, police raided a black voter registration drive on the flimsiest of pretexts and indefinitely halted its operations, blocking as many as 45,000 votes. In Georgia, Republican officials refused to process as many as 100,000 voter registration applications and moved a predominantly black county’s polling precinct from a gym to a sheriff’s office. In Ohio, a federal judge blocked the state’s efforts to purge 2 million people from the rolls—but officials are now refusing to reinstate many of the purged voters. Or — equal time for opposing views no matter how stupid — are the Repugnants doing us all a favor, improving our confidence in election integrity? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10396 "2016-11-03T11:15:06Z")
I think that there may be many more instances like this Iowan woman. They’ll all be caught. Then, in the future they’ll be pointed to as examples of why voter ID is needed. Never mind that them getting caught shows the opposite. It almost makes me wonder if they aren’t deliberately being encouraged so as to serve as examples for ID advocates. Probably not. Almost certainly not; but it makes one wonder. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10397 "2016-11-03T11:16:31Z")
That’s not exactly sound logic. A few people get caught: we don’t need voter ID! No one gets caught: There’s no voter fraud! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10398 "2016-11-03T11:50:06Z")
I think a compromise should be reached. It would best start this way: Republicans shall stop committing voter fraud as an effort to prove it exists. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10399 "2016-11-03T11:52:47Z")
The best thing to do is let the media do what it already does: go over the voter rolls and find out why dead people voted. Of course, then those who oppose inconveniencing anyone with an ID requirement then just say, “Oh, that’s just clerical error, that person didn’t actually vote!” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10400 "2016-11-03T11:55:53Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The best thing to do is let the media do what it already does: go over the voter rolls and find out why dead people voted. > > Of course, then those who oppose inconveniencing anyone with an ID requirement then just say, “Oh, that’s just clerical error, that person didn’t actually vote!” Did you forget to take your meds today? Because this is gibberish. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=519) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=521)