# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 522
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10421 "2016-11-07T18:04:13Z")
Not good enough, they’ll just find another route. We need a national standard for voting access, across the boards, across the lines. We can’t let them get away with accepting that voting is a right, but ease of voting is a state matter, and Big Gummint gotta stay out. Fuck _that_ shit! We may depend on some opposition. Mmm, yes, that’s likely. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10422 "2016-11-08T15:45:28Z")
[About 100,000 blacks were prevented from Early Voting in North Carolina.](http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/black-turnout-down-north-carolina-after-cuts-early-voting-n679051) Our dear **Brickhead** will be pleased, I’m sure, that North Carolinans can now have more confidence in their election’s integrity. I think Election Day access has also been degraded in black communities, further increasing confidence. > [@](#): > > Guilford County went from having 16 early voting sites during that period in 2012 to just one this year… The reduced number of sites led to reports of long wait times to vote in some places. > > “We had a bunch of people from Henderson County saying folks are out there driving around African-American neighborhoods yelling at people. People didn’t feel safe going out,” Riggs said, adding that some worried about losing their jobs. > > There have been other reports of intimidating behavior at the polls in North Carolina. An election worker in Lee County was seen carrying a baseball bat with “Trump” on it across the street from a polling site. And Riggs said a military vehicle with Trump signs was parked across the street from a Forsyth County voting site, intimidating some black voters. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10423 "2016-11-08T17:52:32Z")
Here in Minnesota, there are reports of glaring and other curt stares of disdain and disapproval. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10424 "2016-11-08T19:26:13Z")
Trump is launching the first lawsuit, in Nevada because he saw those minorities voting late in the last early voting day. Actually the rule there AFAIK allows the people who get in line near the end time to vote regardless of how long it takes. Trump really does think that it is so unfair to let them vote. Guess he really \*\*IS \*\*a Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10425 "2016-11-08T19:31:16Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > [About 100,000 blacks were prevented from Early Voting in North Carolina.](http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/black-turnout-down-north-carolina-after-cuts-early-voting-n679051) > > Our dear **Brickhead** will be pleased, I’m sure, that North Carolinans can now have more confidence in their election’s integrity. > > I think Election Day access has also been degraded in black communities, further increasing confidence. Perhaps **WillFarnaby** is out today with the other Neo-Confederates, doing his bit to keep his state white. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10426 "2016-11-08T20:45:01Z")
Oh well, a “nasty” woman judge ripped Trump a new one. 🙂 Trump campaign attempts to invalidate Latino votes in Nevada, is denied > **[Trump campaign attempts to invalidate Latino votes in Nevada, is denied](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/8/1593482/-Trump-campaign-attempts-to-invalidate-Latino-votes-in-Nevada-is-denied)** > > Donald Trump's junk challenge to the large early vote among Latinos in Nevada has been shot down by an incredulous—and pissed off—judge. The campaign was asking "for ballots and voting machines to be 'set aside, sequestered, and impounded' from... > [@](#): > > A little before noon, local time, on Tuesday, Judge Gloria J. Sturman denied the request, after a hearing. > > At the hearing, she expressed significant, repeated skepticism of almost every aspect of the lawsuit—from the campaign’s standing to bring the lawsuit in the first place to the question of whether other relevant parties like the secretary of state had appropriate notice to the remedy the campaign was seeking. > > “You’ve failed to exhaust [your] administrative remedies,” she said, noting that the Trump campaign should have first asked the secretary of state to address the campaign’s concerns. > > Sturman also expressed significant concern about whether an order in the Trump campaign’s favor would lead to poll workers being harassed — after what she has seen from “trolls” on Twitter. > > “I am not going to expose people doing their civic duty to help people vote … to public attention, ridicule, and harassment,” she said. “I’m not going to do it.” ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10427 "2017-04-24T17:56:47Z")
[Sex Scandal Confirms Targeted Voter Suppression In Alabama](http://whowhatwhy.org/2017/04/24/sex-scandal-confirms-targeted-voter-suppression-alabama/) This thread apparently has been suppressed by all the horrific Trump news. Time for a bump. > [@](#): > > An impeachment investigation led by the Alabama House’s Judiciary Committee found the budget justifications Bentley used to rationalize DMV closures were decoys. An underlying political agenda would have disproportionately restricted voting access in African-American communities had the plans not stalled following federal investigation. > [@](#): > > Unfortunately, demonstrating intent is a tall order; it is not every day that Republicans openly brag about the political benefits these laws yield their party, or GOP staffers go on Facebook to call out colleagues for their unbridled enthusiasm in shutting down voting rights. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10428 "2017-04-24T20:33:54Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [Sex Scandal Confirms Targeted Voter Suppression In Alabama](http://whowhatwhy.org/2017/04/24/sex-scandal-confirms-targeted-voter-suppression-alabama/) > > This thread apparently has been suppressed by all the horrific Trump news. Time for a bump. > > > [@](#): > > > > An impeachment investigation led by the Alabama House’s Judiciary Committee found the budget justifications Bentley used to rationalize DMV closures were decoys. An underlying political agenda would have disproportionately restricted voting access in African-American communities had the plans not stalled following federal investigation. You quote your link correctly, but I don’t believe your link correctly summarizes the Judiciary Committee’s actual words. Here they are: > [@](#): > > A stark example of Mason’s control was her role in State budget negotiations in 2015. Spencer Collier told us that in years past, the budget process was initiated by a meeting with State Finance Director Bill Newton and his staff. At the conclusion of that meeting, Collier would meet with Governor Bentley to discuss strategies for addressing any potential cuts. However, in 2015, ALEA was required to meet with Mason and Jennifer Ardis to set budget priorities. > > As instructed, Collier and the senior leadership at ALEA subsequently met with Mason and Ardis. Collier reported that Mason proposed closing multiple driver’s license offices throughout the State and asked ALEA to put together a plan. It was Collier’s understanding that Mason intended the plan to be rolled out in a way that had limited impact on Governor Bentley’s political allies. Collier claims he reported this to the Attorney General’ s office because he was concerned about a Voting Rights Act violation. > > Collier ultimately assented to the closure plan, but through the use of an objective metric based on processed transactions per year to determine which offices to close. Collier estimated the ultimate savings to have been just $200,000, which is consistent with media reports. We were told that Governor Bentley approved this approach except that he wanted the office in Senator Gerald Dial’s district to be removed from the closure list. Ultimately, the decision to close the offices was reversed, in part, after the state litigated the issue with the U.S. Department of Transportation, which had claimed that the closures had a disproportionate impact on minority communities. That’s it. The report does not say the plans were a decoy, and it says only that there were allegations made at DOT with respect to a disproportionate impact on minority communities – not that such impact was found or that such impact was ever intended. What a non-shocker. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10429 "2017-04-24T21:01:06Z")
> [@](#): > > …or that such impact was ever intended… Boy, those Pubbies sure are accident prone! They keep doing things that unintentionally impact Dem voters! Or is it that intention is so hard to prove that you feel free to deny intention. Its a pattern repeated and consistent, as has been amply demonstrated in this thread. So, repeated, consistent, but unintentional? Well, OK, if that’s your case. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10430 "2017-04-24T21:14:43Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Boy, those Pubbies sure are accident prone! They keep doing things that unintentionally impact Dem voters! > > Or is it that intention is so hard to prove that you feel free to deny intention. Its a pattern repeated and consistent, as has been amply demonstrated in this thread. So, repeated, consistent, but unintentional? Well, OK, if that’s your case. I’m saying the report doesn’t say a damn thing about intent. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10431 "2017-04-24T21:36:45Z")
No. But the facts do. Of course, its possible that these things can happen consistently and repeatedly without intent. Or at least, I can’t prove that it is impossible. But I’m not one to let the rational defeat the reasonable. Given repeated and consistent Republican efforts that have the effect of suppressing Dem votes…? Well, once is accident, twice is coincidence, but over and over? That’s Col. Mustard, standing over the battered corpse in the library, holding a bloody candlestick. If you don’t understand that, get a Clue. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10432 "2017-04-24T21:41:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No. But the facts do. SDMB: Look, this report says the budget justifications used to rationalize DMV closures were decoys! ME: No, it doesn’t actually say that anywhere. SDMB: What’s important is not what the report said, but that you accept the truth of what it didn’t say. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10433 "2017-04-24T21:55:34Z")
He did not state the facts clearly, and offered you a nitpick to seize upon and exaggerate. Even so, we have better than 200 pages about Republican voter suppression. If we were to throw this one out, the rest of the pile remains. You can do your victory dance on top of it, if you can climb that high. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10434 "2017-04-25T00:18:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > He did not state the facts clearly, and offered you a nitpick to seize upon and exaggerate. Even so, we have better than 200 pages about Republican voter suppression. If we were to throw this one out, the rest of the pile remains. You can do your victory dance on top of it, if you can climb that high. Post 10427 was a triumphant offering up of the report as evidence of the claims. The fact that the report doesn’t say that anywhere is not a nitpick. It’s a rebuttal of the primary message of the post. The reason we have a long thread is that I have consistently rebutted every post. Undoubtedly this latest exchange adds to the post count but doesn’t add anything to the evidence for your claims. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10435 "2017-04-25T04:45:00Z")
Oh, Bricker, Bricker, Bricker. Just when I’m ready to welcome you back to the realm of sentient humanoids, to admit that you have a hefty three-digit IQ; you go and do this. So sad. A human brain is such a shame to waste. > [@Bricker](#): > > SDMB: Look, this report says the budget justifications used to rationalize DMV closures were decoys! > > ME: No, it doesn’t actually say that anywhere. > > SDMB: What’s important is not what the report said, but that you accept the truth of what it didn’t say. You’re cute when you try to mimic an SDMB conversation in this fashion. Let me reciprocate. Just a few hours ago, in Elections forum IIRC, you did this: Bricker: Give me a number on this irrelevant tangent within a tangent. Give me a number or it didn’t happen. 'Luci: I can’t give you the exact number. We’ve tried to explain such things to you a hundred times. Bricker: Cackle cackle! I ask for the number and you tell me the number is 500 [sic]! Cackle cackle! Obviously that’s what you think the number is. I, the Great Bricker, asked for THE NUMBER and you replied with “500”! [Nevermind that the unresponsive number was 100 and Bricker’s inflated ego turned it into 500.] In the other thread you refused to admit that your dialog was asinine. \*\*\* I do have a sincere question for you: If you tried such a 3rd-grade “argument” based on deliberate lying in a court of law, what would the judge say to you? Would he reprimand you? Or treat you like a 9-year old brat and ask the bailiff to look for the mother who had evidently mislaid her little brat-kid?\*\*\* ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ And here you are at it again. BigAppleBucky: GOP deliberately suppresses votes again. “Unfortunately, demonstrating intent is a tall order; it is not every day that Republicans openly brag about the political benefits these laws yield their party …” Bricker: Here is a Republican who didn’t say he was a fraudster. Sorry if this is redundant, given the “Unfortunately demonstrating intent …” sentence in Bucky’s own post. See, I’m a 9-year old brat and can’t be expected to read every part of a post. I just browse looking for misplaced commas that might help me bamboozle a jury. Cackle cackle! ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Al Capone was a murderer who was convicted only of tax evasion. By your logic, you’d need to find only one person (Capone’s mother?) who didn’t call Capone a murderer, and he’d be innocent! She wouldn’t even have to say “My son is not a murderer;” she’d just have to not use the word “murderer” in a selective quote of her. Capiche? I didn’t think so. You really are willfully stupid. > [@Bricker](#): > > The reason we have a long thread is that I have consistently rebutted every post… GOP vote-suppression is clearer than the nose on your face. But you have “rebutted every post”? > [@](#): > > re·but > rəˈbət/ > verb > > 1. claim or prove that (evidence or an accusation) is false. Clearly you’re using “rebut” in the sense of “claim” rather than “prove.” Well I claim that you are a moronic sub-human whose posts can all be dismissed as idle prattle. There! In one swoop I’ve contributed more to this thread than you, in all your 2700 posts! ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ **Bricker** , to save a mouse-click, I’m going to lump you with your fellow moron, **Farnaby**. At this point I honestly don’t know whether you’ll take the lumping with pride, or will feel irked (“He’s not not in my pretentious hypocritical lk – his is a different pretentious ilk!”) > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > In any case I take certain liberties because it pleases me to do so. By “take liberties” I think you mean “exaggerate” which is a form of “tell lies.” Pro-Tip for Farnaby: In the entire history of SDMB, nobody has ever been able to discern an intelligible thought coming from you. Now you admit that you’re an exaggerator. If you want to be taken seriously, try writing something sincere and intelligible. It will be a refreshing change. > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Except I didn’t make the second argument. 😕 You’ve never made any argument at all in the entire history of SDMB. Just babble, blather and nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10436 "2017-04-25T13:46:22Z")
Post 10435 is ignored in its entirety. When come back, bring cogency. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10437 "2017-04-25T14:02:31Z")
I’d like to both defend **Bricker** and remind him of something – he’s been attacked a lot for his motives, which I think is unfair. There are non-racist reasons to support voter ID requirements (depending on the particulars), and I see no evidence so far that **Bricker** ’s reasons are racist. I think that line of attack should stop. But **Bricker** you’re also wrong, IMO, that this thread is so long simply because you’ve “consistently rebutted every post” – for example, in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19532357&postcount=10018), you (finally!) agreed that North Carolina’s changes to voter ID and voting times violated the Voting Rights Act (even if you thought that portion of the VRA was unconstitutional). I think we could have gotten to that point a lot quicker, but you held it back because that point didn’t help your argument (I’m assuming). It was certainly relevant to the discussion, even if you hadn’t been asked that exact question in those exact words. I’m not saying you were lying or anything, just that you chose a lawyerly tactic more designed to win the argument than actually get towards the truth of the matter. However, this is hardly an uncommon sin, and I’m sure I’m guilty of it and things like it at times as well. As always, I will try to improve as a poster, and I urge you to do so as well. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10438 "2017-04-25T16:00:54Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Post 10435 is ignored in its entirety. When come back, bring cogency. Humpf. Figures. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10439 "2017-04-25T16:16:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’d like to both defend **Bricker** and remind him of something – he’s been attacked a lot for his motives, which I think is unfair. There are non-racist reasons to support voter ID requirements (depending on the particulars), and I see no evidence so far that **Bricker** ’s reasons are racist. I think that line of attack should stop. Thank you! > [@](#): > > But **Bricker** you’re also wrong, IMO, that this thread is so long simply because you’ve “consistently rebutted every post” True. There are posts I have not rebutted, and posts I’ve conceded. > [@](#): > > – for example, in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19532357&postcount=10018), you (finally!) agreed that North Carolina’s changes to voter ID and voting times violated the Voting Rights Act (even if you thought that portion of the VRA was unconstitutional). I think we could have gotten to that point a lot quicker, but you held it back because that point didn’t help your argument (I’m assuming). It was certainly relevant to the discussion, even if you hadn’t been asked that exact question in those exact words. I’m not saying you were lying or anything, just that you chose a lawyerly tactic more designed to win the argument than actually get towards the truth of the matter. But this isn’t a good example of a concession, because the underlying issue was not the violation of the VRA, but the _validity_ of the VRA’s constraint. So it wasn’t a lawyerly tactic, except perhaps a desire to ensure that the argument is framed clearly. Well, ok. Also a lack of desire to help my opponent frame his argument clearly, so, yeah, fair point. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10440 "2017-04-25T21:14:24Z")
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