# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 534
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10661 "2017-12-21T16:44:28Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m still curious, \*\*Bricker \*\*, on your confidence of the election results when one form of ID is so easily forged? I don’t agree it’s easy, and doing it creates evidence that could assist in prosecution when discovered. Look, I think it’s possible to steal a car even if it’s secured by “The Club,” but the use of the Club, is a reasonable control against theft. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10662 "2017-12-21T16:46:54Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Whatever reputation you get as the board’s “smart conservative” is so unearned that it’s painful. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !! Any such reputation here would be akin to Alan Colmes’ reputation as the liberal on Fox News: toothless, offering just enough commentary that the opposition can easily steamroll any arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10663 "2017-12-21T16:47:57Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Indeed, and I have to point out that he is wilfully ignoring that people like me are not in theory opposed to voter ID, only that in practice it has been shown that in several states the ones applying it did it in a way so as to prevent minorities or the poor from voting. Again (like for the 100th time) the problem is that **Bricker** does not care at all that he ends up supporting bigots and elitists in their voter repression efforts. Not . . . not ELITISTS!! Nooooooo!!! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10664 "2017-12-21T16:53:58Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t agree it’s easy, and doing it creates evidence that could assist in prosecution when discovered. What? Sure it is. Especially for someone who was just so dog-gone motivated to vote illegally. Take a passport photo, glue it to a square that says “Microsoft Employee” and has your address, and laminate it. Do they actually call the companies to see if the person is an employee? Do they mark what company the voter says they work for? What evidence do you think it would provide? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10665 "2017-12-21T20:17:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, not exactly. I am sure you think your views are right – else why would you hold them? > > But do you think they are so self-evidently right that they should supplant the actual processes we have in place to govern? Didn’t I just say that I should be supreme leader? Yes, everything should be supplanted to my will. Seriously, though… I don’t understand what you’re trying to get at. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10666 "2017-12-21T20:23:19Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Whatever reputation you get as the board’s “smart conservative” is so unearned that it’s painful. I get the impression Bricker deserved the title in the long-long ago, but he’s really been sliding this past decade, I’m guessing in lockstep with the increasingly bipolar nature of American politics. I gather it’s more important to him that we are wrong, rather than that he is right, hence his often fallacious, if not insultingly disingenuous tactics. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10667 "2017-12-21T20:27:33Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > What? Sure it is. Especially for someone who was just so dog-gone motivated to vote illegally. > > Take a passport photo, glue it to a square that says “Microsoft Employee” and has your address, and laminate it. Do they actually call the companies to see if the person is an employee? Do they mark what company the voter says they work for? What evidence do you think it would provide? That’s not a valid photo ID to vote in Virginia. Not sure where it would be, if anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10668 "2017-12-21T20:29:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Didn’t I just say that I should be supreme leader? Yes, everything should be supplanted to my will. > > Seriously, though… I don’t understand what you’re trying to get at. I don’t support your cause for your ascension to Supreme Leader. In fact, I believe _I_ should have that title and the commensurate legislative power. How shall we resolve this power struggle? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10669 "2017-12-21T20:29:28Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Not . . . not ELITISTS!! Nooooooo!!! Indeed. The people you tend to support are more thuggish than elite. Frankly, the word “elitist” is pretty far from the set of adjectives one might use to describe the politics you support. Dogmatic, sure. Reactionary, absolutely. I’ve tended to associate elitism with some kind of _positive quality_, or at least an effort to achieve such. I don’t see modern Republicans embracing that at all, except maybe some kind of entrepreneurial Ayn-Randian inventor-industrialist-capitalist fantasy. Donald Trump ain’t no Hank Rearden, though. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10670 "2017-12-21T20:31:32Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That’s not a valid photo ID to vote in Virginia. Not sure where it would be, if anywhere. From [here](https://www.elections.virginia.gov/registration/photo-ids-required-to-vote/): > [@](#): > > Employee identification card containing a photograph of the voter and issued by an employer of the voter in the ordinary course of the employer’s business ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10671 "2017-12-21T20:32:30Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Indeed. The people you tend to support are more thuggish than elite. Frankly, the word “elitist” is pretty far from the set of adjectives one might use to describe the politics you support. Dogmatic, sure. Reactionary, absolutely. I’ve tended to associate elitism with some kind of _positive quality_, or at least an effort to achieve such. I don’t see modern Republicans embracing that at all, except maybe some kind of entrepreneurial Ayn-Randian inventor-industrialist-capitalist fantasy. Donald Trump ain’t no Hank Rearden, though. But Ann Coulter makes a great Dagny Taggart. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10672 "2017-12-21T20:33:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t support your cause for your ascension to Supreme Leader. In fact, I believe _I_ should have that title and the commensurate legislative power. > > How shall we resolve this power struggle? I vote Thunderdome! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10673 "2017-12-21T20:37:30Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But Ann Coulter makes a great Dagny Taggart. Not as Rand described the character. Maybe you could make a case for Coulter as analogous to Dominique Francon, what with the loathing for everyone including herself. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10674 "2017-12-21T20:44:21Z")
> [@](#): > > I vote Thunderdome! I got one! Lets have elections, where everybody has an equal right to vote and equal access to voting! And everybody’s vote counts same as everybody else’s! You know, power to the people. (Hey, that’s a great slogan, I should write that down!) (You know, still working on my homework assignment, where I find that part of the Constitution where it says people have to _deserve_ to vote. Maybe that’s one of those “penumbras”?) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10675 "2017-12-21T20:48:06Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t support your cause for your ascension to Supreme Leader. In fact, I believe _I_ should have that title and the commensurate legislative power. > > How shall we resolve this power struggle? > [@Slash1972](#): > > I vote Thunderdome! I vote vote. Whoever gets the most votes gets to push their agenda forward. In the meantime, we should go ahead and continue to put pressure on our elected representation to represent us in the ways that we feel are best, as well as advocate for others to do the same. If our elected representatives do not serve our interests, then I advocate voting to replace them with those who will, as well as advocating to others to join in on voting for a replacement. Of course, part of this, I do recommend that those who are in power should not be the ones who determine eligibility requirements for voting, as they may have a conflict of interest in keeping their power over the wishes of he majority of their constituency. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10676 "2017-12-21T20:56:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t support your cause for your ascension to Supreme Leader. In fact, I believe _I_ should have that title and the commensurate legislative power. > > How shall we resolve this power struggle? You should bow to me, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10677 "2017-12-21T21:02:57Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > From [here](https://www.elections.virginia.gov/registration/photo-ids-required-to-vote/): I should have been clearer: Your description: _Take a passport photo, glue it to a square that says “Microsoft Employee” and has your address, and laminate it._ My point, which as I re-read my response was indeed a bit unclear, is that what you describe has no real chance of even appearing genuine, and is literally not valid because it was not “issued by an employer of the voter in the ordinary course of the employer’s business.” That is, it’s not legally valid, and it doesn’t LOOK valid. Work IDs typically have logos and don’t contain an employee’s home address. It would be a poor poll worker indeed who accepted a laminated square containing merely the words “Microsoft Employee,” and the bearer’s photo and address. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10678 "2017-12-21T21:04:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You should bow to me, obviously. I refuse. Bow to me. I am superior. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10679 "2017-12-21T21:08:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I should have been clearer: > Your description: _Take a passport photo, glue it to a square that says “Microsoft Employee” and has your address, and laminate it._ > > My point, which as I re-read my response was indeed a bit unclear, is that what you describe has no real chance of even appearing genuine, and is literally not valid because it was not “issued by an employer of the voter in the ordinary course of the employer’s business.” That is, it’s not legally valid, and it doesn’t LOOK valid. Work IDs typically have logos and don’t contain an employee’s home address. It would be a poor poll worker indeed who accepted a laminated square containing merely the words “Microsoft Employee,” and the bearer’s photo and address. I’m certain that if I was of the persuasion to cast an illegal vote, I could make an “employee ID” that looked genuine. They don’t require holograms or anything. They require a picture, the company name, and your name. I just threw in the address for the hell of it. How is a poll worker going to know if it is a genuine employee ID or not? There is absolutely no way to fake the first ID in [this](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/431219733051130102/) link??? There are templates to download and print out for cripes sake. Knowing this, my confidence in the recent Virginia elections has dramatically lowered. Especially since they are now counting ballots with both candidates picked as valid. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/10680 "2017-12-21T21:10:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I refuse. Bow to me. I am superior. Cite? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=533) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=535)