# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 553
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11041 "2019-02-03T08:15:49Z")
It seems that [there is at least one VERY close race left over from the mid-term elections.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-recount-in-kentucky-house-race-ends-in-tie/2019/02/02/38aceb3c-274f-11e9-b5b4-1d18dfb7b084_story.html) The D is ahead by 3 votes by one count, but the counting is controlled by R’s. The vote counters have huge power in close elections: “Circle instead of X? The intent is still clear.” “No, real Americans would know that ‘X’ means X. I’m not accepting ballots by illegal aliens.” I’ve bumped the thread to try to make a little money. Anybody want to wager that Democrat Jim Glenn, now ahead by 1 vote or 3 votes depending on the count, will actually get to sit in the Kentucky legislature when the R’s get through with him? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11042 "2019-02-08T22:33:10Z")
[A woman who wasn’t sure whether green-card holders were allowed to vote is going to prison for two months.](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-carolina-non-citizen-voting_us_5c5dd26fe4b0eec79b2336ff) Proof that the intent was not to defraud is that _the prospective voter used his green card as the ID_! Thrump-appointed U.S. Attorney Robert Higdon is pursuing several isolated single-vote cases — which only an idiot could imagine as part of a real plot to subvert an election — while ignoring evidence of systemic absentee voting fraud in is district. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11043 "2019-03-06T19:15:29Z")
I realize I’m a bit late posting this here, [but since we now KNOW there was voter fraud in North Carolina perpetrated by Republicans](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/27/north-carolina-ballot-braud-scandal-five-arrests/3010048002/) I think it should be referenced in this thread. And of course, none of the legal eagles who were squawking about voter ID have the spine to show up here and comment. In fact the head squawker has shown himself to be more of a giant chicken now that we can point to the only major case found to manipulate the votes was carried out by the GOP. Really pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11044 "2019-03-06T20:36:05Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > I realize I’m a bit late posting this here, [but since we now KNOW there was voter fraud in North Carolina perpetrated by Republicans](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/27/north-carolina-ballot-braud-scandal-five-arrests/3010048002/) I think it should be referenced in this thread. > > And of course, none of the legal eagles who were squawking about voter ID have the spine to show up here and comment. In fact the head squawker has shown himself to be more of a giant chicken now that we can point to the only major case found to manipulate the votes was carried out by the GOP. Really pathetic. It’s not voter fraud if there is an orchestrated GOP plan to screw with absentee ballots in order to get more votes and win the election. It’s only voter fraud if someone THINKS that there MIGHT BE an illegal alien voting somewhere, somehow. Because it’s important to respect that person’s FEELINGS about voter fraud. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11045 "2019-03-07T19:44:36Z")
Here in Iowa, where the hard-right loony wing of the GOP has control of the Statehouse and the governorship, you can be assured of a steady stream of ridiculous proposals coming down the pipe (the most glaringly obvious is a bill to change the non-partisan system of nominating judges, because the GOP keeps passing unconstitutional discriminatory laws and the courts keep knocking them down, so naturally the Republicans feel they have to put their thumbs on the scales of [selecting] justice[s]) … But to this thread: a bill changing several elements around elections is working its way through the Statehouse. Given it’s the GOP behind it, you can imagine it isn’t really designed to expand voting to more people: there’s a reduction of poll hours, there’s a requirement to validate signatures on absentee ballots, there’s a prohibition on state-owned property (like public universities) being used as polling places, you get the gist. Perhaps the most eye-opening provision, though, would be a requirement for all college students to fill out a form indicating whether or not they intended to stay in Iowa after graduation, and if the answer is “no,” they would be stricken from voter registration rolls. Now, it’s obvious why Republicans want to suppress turnout by younger voters. It’s also laughably easy to subvert this regulation, simply by indicating “yes” on the form regardless of one’s actual plans. My question is this - if you’re going to require this of college students, shouldn’t you also ask every citizen of the state if they plan to move away in the next couple of years, and take away their votes? Hmm, I wonder why that’s not included in this bill? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11046 "2019-03-07T21:26:31Z")
> [@Uncle\_Jocko](#): > > Here in Iowa, where the hard-right loony wing of the GOP has control of the Statehouse and the governorship, you can be assured of a steady stream of ridiculous proposals coming down the pipe (the most glaringly obvious is a bill to change the non-partisan system of nominating judges, because the GOP keeps passing unconstitutional discriminatory laws and the courts keep knocking them down, so naturally the Republicans feel they have to put their thumbs on the scales of [selecting] justice[s]) … > > But to this thread: a bill changing several elements around elections is working its way through the Statehouse. Given it’s the GOP behind it, you can imagine it isn’t really designed to expand voting to more people: there’s a reduction of poll hours, there’s a requirement to validate signatures on absentee ballots, there’s a prohibition on state-owned property (like public universities) being used as polling places, you get the gist. Perhaps the most eye-opening provision, though, would be a requirement for all college students to fill out a form indicating whether or not they intended to stay in Iowa after graduation, and if the answer is “no,” they would be stricken from voter registration rolls. > > Now, it’s obvious why Republicans want to suppress turnout by younger voters. It’s also laughably easy to subvert this regulation, simply by indicating “yes” on the form regardless of one’s actual plans. My question is this - if you’re going to require this of college students, shouldn’t you also ask every citizen of the state if they plan to move away in the next couple of years, and take away their votes? Hmm, I wonder why that’s not included in this bill? Ask old people if they are planning on dying soon, while you are at it. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11047 "2019-03-08T16:38:40Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > It seems that [there is at least one VERY close race left over from the mid-term elections.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-recount-in-kentucky-house-race-ends-in-tie/2019/02/02/38aceb3c-274f-11e9-b5b4-1d18dfb7b084_story.html) The D is ahead by 3 votes by one count, but the counting is controlled by R’s. > > The vote counters have huge power in close elections: > “Circle instead of X? The intent is still clear.” > “No, real Americans would know that ‘X’ means X. I’m not accepting ballots by illegal aliens.” > > I’ve bumped the thread to try to make a little money. Anybody want to wager that Democrat Jim Glenn, now ahead by 1 vote or 3 votes depending on the count, will actually get to sit in the Kentucky legislature when the R’s get through with him? I’m glad nobody took up the bet: Jim Glenn [was certified as winner a few days after I posted.](https://www.richmondregister.com/news/election/gop-candidate-withdraws-challenge-for-kentucky-house-seat/article_c510f657-c9a5-54dd-9f73-6e3e85a4856f.html) > [@](#): > > Last week, the Daviess County Clerk’s Office recounted more than 12,000 ballots by hand. When they finished, Glenn led by three votes. But after a personal appeal form Johnson and his attorney, the Daviess County Board of Elections reversed an earlier decision and gave him one of those votes back. > > The board then decided to open five absentee ballots they had rejected on Election Day for various reasons. Of those five votes, Johnson received three and Glenn received one, giving each candidate 6,323 votes. (Any suckers here think those rejected ballots would have been unrejected if the R was ahead by 2 votes?) The R’s couldn’t find another vote to cheat with but they’d gotten it to a tie and a coin-toss! > [@](#): > > Friday, Johnson’s lawyer argued lawmakers had to pick a winner by drawing lots, which could include flipping a coin or drawing names out of a hat. But Glenn’s lawyer said he would not accept the results of a coin flip and vowed to file a lawsuit should he be removed from office. > > At that point, Johnson announced he would withdraw to avoid a lengthy legal battle. > > “Unfortunately, Mr. Glenn chooses not to accept what this board does, chooses not to accept the rule of law,” Johnson said. “The best solution would be for me to win the coin toss and I get seated. That would be best for me. What’s best for my district, what’s best for people in my community, is that we end this.” Give Johnson (R) a little credit. He gave up his coin toss to avoid a lawsuit, though of course he needed t first defame his opponent with “not accepting the rule of ‘law’ (i.e. GOP malfeasance).” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11048 "2019-03-08T18:51:13Z")
> [@Uncle\_Jocko](#): > > Here in Iowa, … there’s a prohibition on state-owned property (like public universities) being used as polling places, … Uh, WTF Iowa? Wouldn’t public property be the ideal place to perform a civic function? My polling place is in a private Protestant church, and I always think it’s a strange place to hold such a public function. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11049 "2019-04-14T11:58:26Z")
I’m cross-posting these from another thread. GOP measures to suppress democracy are becoming more and more egregious. It’s disgraceful that Americans are not up-in-arms about all this. > [@Stupid Republican idea of the day](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/40863): > > Holy Mary mother of Christ! Republicans are barely even hiding the fact that they have pure and utter contempt for democracy these days: > > [Tennessee Lawmakers Consider Fines And Criminal Penalties For Voter Registration Drives | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tennessee-voter-registration-applications_n_5cafa525e4b098b9a2d0f707) > > From the article in HuffPo: > > > [@](#): > > > > The bill would allow officials to impose a fine of $150 to $2,000 on any group that turns in at least 100 “deficient” voter registration applications in a single county. A group that turns in more than 500 “deficient” applications could be fined up to $10,000. > [@Stupid Republican idea of the day](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/40864): > > There’s a bill before the Texas state legislature making it a crime to transport more than three people in the same vehicle to the voting polls unless the driver fills out an affidavit verifying that the people they’re transporting are physically disabled so that they can’t get to the polls on their own. > [Local voting rights' activists question intent of Senate Bill 9 | cbs19.tv](https://www.cbs19.tv/article/news/local-voting-rights-activists-question-intent-of-senate-bill-9/501-fe80b0b0-03b1-4d06-b12f-a5c19ddabbb9) > > I wonder if that applies to bus drivers. Police and prosecutors have great discretion about whether to arrest or prosecute. It’s safe to assume these laws would be applied very selectively. Poor people want to avoid wasting gasoline and may not have a car at all. The mind boggles to imagine such laws could be thought fair. I thought I was cynical, but these laws stun me. Someone who’s on speaking terms with the Board’s Trumpists: Poke them and ask what they think about these laws. Too bad Bricker’s gone missing. It would be ticklish to hear his equivocating answer. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11050 "2019-04-14T12:49:50Z")
[“The card says ‘moops’”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMabpBvtXr4). To the degree that they think about it at all, what do you expect? It’s technically legal, it’s good for them, and if they believe that voter fraud is an actual problem (which they believe), it’s a _good_ thing that poor people can’t bus their friends in. We’re fucked. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11051 "2019-10-19T12:15:17Z")
[This story](https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-steve-curtis-voter-fraud-20170322-story.html) is old news but is too delicious not to repost. Briefly, it involves former Colorado Republican Party chairman Steve Curtis who’s a staunch opponent of voter fraud and said “every case of voter fraud I can remember in my lifetime was committed by Democrats.” Recently felony charges were brought in Colorado against a voting fraudster(\*) — read the article to see if the fraudster was a Democrat, as Curtis predicted. (No, like most voter fraud it wouldn’t have been prevented with ID. Are you having trouble following the discussion?) - - Yes, you guess it! — the felonious voting fraudster was … Steve Curtis himself. ---
**Author:** ![Tempe\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tempe_jeff/32/7328_2.png) [@Tempe\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tempe_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11052 "2019-10-21T00:23:30Z")
Sorry, With 30 Million plus illegal aliens, I expect only Citizens to vote. Not, confused Mexicans that forgot to go home after their vacation 30 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11053 "2019-10-21T00:42:36Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > Sorry, > With 30 Million plus illegal aliens, I expect only Citizens to vote. Not, confused Mexicans that forgot to go home after their vacation 30 years ago. Repeating a lie does not make it the truth. > **[Trump repeats Pants on Fire claim on # of illegal immigrants](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/sep/01/donald-trump/donald-trump-repeats-pants-fire-claim-about-30-mil/)** > > In a major policy speech on immigration, Donald Trump criticized the government’s approach to the undocumented populatio > [@](#): > > Our ruling > > Trump said the number of illegal immigrants “could be 3 million. It could be 30 million.” > > Both figures are not within the range of possibility. Every credible estimate we found was in the 11 million range, with a margin of error of around 1 million. The figure has “always” been 11 million, in recent years, because of the flow of undocumented immigrants in and out of the United States. > > We rate Trump’s claim Pants on Fire. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11054 "2019-11-07T12:41:57Z")
I have heard rumors that Republicans deliberately mount obstacles to voting by blacks or by others likely to vote Democrats. Apparently [there is some foundation to this!](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/07/is-america-a-democracy-if-so-why-does-it-deny-millions-the-vote) > [@](#): > > … And not everyone in the state had an activist like Johnson to help them. When Donald Trump eventually won Wisconsin with a 22,000-vote lead, political analysts found that in the city of Milwaukee alone there was a 3% lower turnout, or 41,000 fewer votes cast, than four years before… The same year, 600,000 people in Texas were estimated to lack the IDs needed to vote under the state’s strict guidelines. > … > many have been aggressively pushing poll closures in communities of color with phony pretexts… Ten per cent of Georgia’s counties were left with a single precinct for all voters, with some having to travel miles to cast their votes. Outranking Georgia, Texas had 760 poll closures and Arizona had 320. > … > Et cetera. > Et cetera. > Et cetera. In America’s defense, some other countries have democracies as corrupt as America’s — Kosovo is cited as an example. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11055 "2019-11-07T13:21:11Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I have heard rumors that Republicans deliberately mount obstacles to voting by blacks or by others likely to vote Democrats. Apparently [there is some foundation to this!](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/07/is-america-a-democracy-if-so-why-does-it-deny-millions-the-vote) > > In America’s defense, some other countries have democracies as corrupt as America’s — Kosovo is cited as an example. You’re just finding out about this now? And these “rumors” have been pretty well-documented for quite a while now. > **[Vote Suppression](https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression)** > > Vote suppression has a long and ugly history in the United States, and over the last two decades, it has resurfaced with a vengeance. Through research, lawsuits, and advocacy, the Brennan Center is fighting vote suppression on every front. > **[This Is the Worst Voter Suppression We’ve Seen in the Modern Era](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/worst-voter-suppression-weve-seen-modern-era)** > > Trump deserves blame, but there’s plenty to go around. > **[We Don’t Have a Working Democracy Right Now](https://www.gregpalast.com/assault-on-voting-rights/)** > > What happened and how we can fix it... [https://www.gregpalast.com/tag/vote-suppression/](https://www.gregpalast.com/tag/vote-suppression/) > **[Fighting Voter Suppression | American Civil Liberties Union](https://www.aclu.org/issues/voting-rights/fighting-voter-suppression)** > > The ACLU works in courts, legislatures, and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties that the Constitution and the laws of the United States guarantee everyone in this country. > **[Voter suppression](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression)** > > Voter suppression is a strategy used to influence the outcome of an election by discouraging or preventing specific groups of people from voting. It is distinguished from political campaigning in that campaigning attempts to change likely voting behavior by changing the opinions of potential voters through persuasion and organization, activating otherwise inactive voters, or registering new supporters. Voter suppression, instead, attempts to gain an advantage by reducing the turnout of certain vo... > **[Fighting Voter Suppression | American Civil Liberties Union](https://www.aclu.org/issues/voting-rights/fighting-voter-suppression)** > > The ACLU works in courts, legislatures, and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties that the Constitution and the laws of the United States guarantee everyone in this country. > **[Opinion | Just how big a problem is voter suppression?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/01/just-how-big-problem-is-voter-suppression/)** > > Voter roll purges threaten our democracy. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11056 "2019-11-07T14:27:03Z")
Here’s a tricky moral dilemma for me. Part of me wants to give Republicans a little credit in the self awareness department for knowing and recognizing that they can’t win fair elections, and that the voice of the people is not on their side. But another part of me doesn’t. I know, if I gerrymander my brain into lopsided segments maybe that will help me decide. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11057 "2020-04-07T20:22:47Z")
The November election will be dominated by Republican cheating. The pandemic will give them many opportunities to suppress voting selectively. This topic should be an important thread in P & E; I hope someone else will start a thread. [The GOP is already hard at work in Wisconsin, forcing long lines in D-leaning urban centers in today’s primary election](https://www.motherjones.com/2020-elections/2020/04/wisconsin-primary-elections-coronavirus/) and refusing to allow mail-in ballots despite the pandemic. ```auto Trump will almost certainly win re-election. **Only five states (FL, WI, PA, MI, NH) are at all likely to be tipping states — only these states matter!** If Trump wins Florida, the Democrat must sweep the (swingable) Rust Belt. If Biden wins Florida (unlikely?) he only needs to also get PA or MI or both WI and NH. Florida has both houses of Legislature and the Governorship in GOP hands. Kiss it good bye. Thus to win the White House, the D candidate will need all of Pennsylvania (has GOP legislature), Michigan (has GOP legislature), Wisconsin (has GOP legislature) and Minnesota. As we see in the link above, Wisconsin also has a GOP Supreme Court which stepped in to suppress the vote. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11058 "2020-04-07T20:47:46Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > The November election will be dominated by Republican cheating. The pandemic will give them many opportunities to suppress voting selectively. They actually may not have to actively do anything, but keep the party faithful listening to the orange yam. Given the [difference between the parties](https://commonwealthmagazine.org/health/democrats-republicans-divided-over-coronavirus-threat/)in terms of the degree to which they take the threat seriously there is likely to be a huge disparity in the parties in terms of in person voting. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11059 "2020-04-07T21:52:01Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > The November election will be dominated by Republican cheating. The pandemic will give them many opportunities to suppress voting selectively. This topic should be an important thread in P & E; I hope someone else will start a thread. > > [The GOP is already hard at work in Wisconsin, forcing long lines in D-leaning urban centers in today’s primary election](https://www.motherjones.com/2020-elections/2020/04/wisconsin-primary-elections-coronavirus/) and refusing to allow mail-in ballots despite the pandemic. > > ```auto > > Trump will almost certainly win re-election. > > **Only five states (FL, WI, PA, MI, NH) are at all likely to be tipping states — only these states matter!** If Trump wins Florida, the Democrat must sweep the (swingable) Rust Belt. If Biden wins Florida (unlikely?) he only needs to also get PA or MI or both WI and NH. > > Florida has both houses of Legislature and the Governorship in GOP hands. Kiss it good bye. Thus to win the White House, the D candidate will need all of Pennsylvania (has GOP legislature), Michigan (has GOP legislature), Wisconsin (has GOP legislature) and Minnesota. As we see in the link above, Wisconsin also has a GOP Supreme Court which stepped in to suppress the vote. > > ``` They’ll find a way to screw voters in these states, and if they don’t, they’ll probably find a way to delegitimize the results, call the election results fraudulent, and throw it to the House of Representatives, where they would probably win that way. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/11060 "2020-04-09T21:55:49Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > They’ll find a way to screw voters in these states, and if they don’t, they’ll probably find a way to delegitimize the results, call the election results fraudulent, and throw it to the House of Representatives, where they would probably win that way. Are you planning on losing the House too? Maybe I don’t know exactly how that process works. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=552) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=554)