# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 91
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1801 "2012-07-25T13:40:11Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > If it were named after Harrison Bergeron, it would be honoring the individual who tried to use his relative strength to exert dictatorial control over everyone else. I assume you have an authoritarian bent and would prefer that, but I’m not sure you actually read the story, given your confusion. I suppose I could have named the school after Diana Moon Glampers, but I feared the reference would be too obscure. Yes, very true – in the short story, Bergeron is the one who throws off his socially-imposed weights… but he’s also the one killed for doing it. So in the end, if you will, Bergeron does represent compliance with the social directive to not exalt ability, since his reward for doing so was a lethal shotgun blast. In real life, leftists avoid shotguns; they stick with social pressure to reward mediocrity and punish success. And the tax code. They use that too. Don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1802 "2012-07-25T14:19:50Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I suppose I could have named the school after Diana Moon Glampers, but I feared the reference would be too obscure. Yes, very true – in the short story, Bergeron is the one who throws off his socially-imposed weights… but he’s also the one killed for doing it. So in the end, if you will, Bergeron does represent compliance with the social directive to not exalt ability, since his reward for doing so was a lethal shotgun blast. You left out the part where he proclaimed himself Emperor and manhandled people into doing what he wanted. > [@](#): > > In real life, leftists avoid shotguns; they stick with social pressure to reward mediocrity and punish success. Only in the fevered minds of pussy conservatives. > [@](#): > > And the tax code. They use that too. How so? Can you give me an example where a high tax code hindered success? During the period of the highest marginal income tax rate, the US economy experienced its greatest success ever. Under Democratic presidents, the average household income at every income level has been higher than under Republicans (except for the very highest group, which experienced equally high income under Democrats as Republicans). In short, all you have is fantasies about a scary world of leftists out to get you, and a longing for a Harrison Bergeron at whose feet you can prostrate yourself. Pussy. > [@](#): > > Don’t you? Don’t I what? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1803 "2012-07-25T14:47:06Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > You left out the part where he proclaimed himself Emperor and manhandled people into doing what he wanted. Yes, he proclaimed himself Emperor. I don’t know about the manhandling – as I recall the story, he simply offered the dancers the chance to join him. And his “reign” as Emperor was simply an exhibition of what he could accomplish without artificial restraints. Somehow, I am not in the least surprised that you are on the side of the people that wanted to keep Harrison shackled and handicapped. > [@](#): > > Can you give me an example where a high tax code hindered success? During the period of the highest marginal income tax rate, the US economy experienced its greatest success ever. Under Democratic presidents, the average household income at every income level has been higher than under Republicans (except for the very highest group, which experienced equally high income under Democrats as Republicans). Please. The top 1% of income earners pay about 37% of all federal tax dollars, and the bottom 50% of income earners pay less than 3% of all federal tax dollars. And your reaction to this is to demand that the top earners carry your lazy ass along even more. ---
**Author:** ![Parthol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dec6dc/32.png) [@Parthol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Parthol)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1804 "2012-07-25T15:04:58Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Please. The top 1% of income earners pay about 37% of all federal tax dollars, and the bottom 50% of income earners pay less than 3% of all federal tax dollars. > > And your reaction to this is to demand that the top earners carry your lazy ass along even more. I can’t speak for anyone else, but my reaction to this is that, seeing as the top 1% of wealthy Americans hold 34.5% of our collective net worth, while the bottom 50% hold only 1.1% of our net worth, that the top earners could probably stand to pay a little more in taxes, yeah. And I say that as someone who probably squeaks into the top 5% these days; I think my taxes could go up a bit and I’d still consider them perfectly fair. Also, your quote about tax rates didn’t actually answer **Hentor’s** question. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1805 "2012-07-25T15:17:50Z")
> [@Parthol](#): > > I can’t speak for anyone else, but my reaction to this is that, seeing as the top 1% of wealthy Americans hold 34.5% of our collective net worth, while the bottom 50% hold only 1.1% of our net worth, that the top earners could probably stand to pay a little more in taxes, yeah. And I say that as someone who probably squeaks into the top 5% these days; I think my taxes could go up a bit and I’d still consider them perfectly fair. > > Also, your quote about tax rates didn’t actually answer **Hentor’s** question. True. And I will, if you promise to continue monitoring this thread and advising, in a neutral way, when one poster doesn’t answer another’s question. You’ll be like, a referee. Deal? ---
**Author:** ![Parthol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dec6dc/32.png) [@Parthol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Parthol)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1806 "2012-07-25T15:38:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > True. > > And I will, if you promise to continue monitoring this thread and advising, in a neutral way, when one poster doesn’t answer another’s question. You’ll be like, a referee. > > Deal? No deal. There’s no way I have time for that. After skimming through the last couple pages of this thread, I just found your quote about wealth stats to be annoying, because I’m _always_ annoyed to find someone quoting only half of the “who pays the taxes vs. who has the wealth” equation. Then I was curious about the question that led you to make that comment, and realized that your half-quote-of-the-stats didn’t actually answer it. It was a throwaway line; think nothing of it, if you wish. But hey, while I’m here: now that the government of Pennsylvania has not only admitted that they have no evidence of voter fraud, but that _they have no reason to think that their proposed voter ID laws will affect the frequency of Voter ID crimes_, by what mechanism do you think Mike Turzai expects the those laws to win Pennsylvania for Romney? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1807 "2012-07-25T15:53:26Z")
> [@Parthol](#): > > No deal. There’s no way I have time for that. After skimming through the last couple pages of this thread, I just found your quote about wealth stats to be annoying, because I’m _always_ annoyed to find someone quoting only half of the “who pays the taxes vs. who has the wealth” equation. Then I was curious about the question that led you to make that comment, and realized that your half-quote-of-the-stats didn’t actually answer it. It was a throwaway line; think nothing of it, if you wish. > > But hey, while I’m here: now that the government of Pennsylvania has not only admitted that they have no evidence of voter fraud, but that _they have no reason to think that their proposed voter ID laws will affect the frequency of Voter ID crimes_, by what mechanism do you think Mike Turzai expects the those laws to win Pennsylvania for Romney? 1. A stipulation at trial is not a general-purpose admission. At trial, their point is to say, even if there is no evidence of voter fraud, and no reason to think that their proposed voter ID laws will affect the frequency of Voter ID crimes, the law is still permissible, as outlined in _Crawford v Marion County_. 2. “The government of Pennsylvania” is not synonymous with “Mike Tarzai.” Perhaps Mike doesn’t agree with the facts in that stipulation. And it’s a shame you don’t have time. I can think of plenty of posts pointed at me that have utterly failed to address the issues I offered up. Pure bad luck that the one you focused on was one of mine doing the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1808 "2012-07-25T16:14:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, he proclaimed himself Emperor. I don’t know about the manhandling – as I recall the story, he simply offered the dancers the chance to join him. And his “reign” as Emperor was simply an exhibition of what he could accomplish without artificial restraints. > [@](#): > > “Now—” said Harrison, taking her hand, “shall we show the people the meaning of the word dance? Music!” he commanded. > > The musicians scrambled back into their chairs, and Harrison stripped them of their handicaps, too. “Play your best,” he told them, “and I’ll make you barons and dukes and earls.” > > The music began. It was normal at first—cheap, silly, false. But Harrison snatched two musicians from their chairs, waved them like batons as he sang the music as he wanted it played. He slammed them back into their chairs. > > The music began again and was much improved. > [@Bricker](#): > > Somehow, I am not in the least surprised that you are on the side of the people that wanted to keep Harrison shackled and handicapped. Actually, as a person of at least moderate intellect, I was able to read the story as the presentation of two extremes and consider why Vonnegut chose to present them that way. You, apparently, felt compelled to take sides between them. And of course, you fantasized about fellating Harrison, and hoped you would have done it well enough to please him. I mean, my 17 year old son read the story last year, and was able to recognize that it did not present Harrison Bergeron as a hero. He realized that it may be no more desirable to have a dictator using force to please his own whims. I wonder why you weren’t able to do the same? Why don’t you just admit you never really read the story? You only heard others talk about the dystopian world of enforced equality. What, did you read the Cliff’s notes to _Harrison Bergeron_ or something. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1809 "2012-07-25T16:22:48Z")
The **Bricker** Principle: when losing the argument, change the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1810 "2012-07-25T16:29:47Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > True. So you admit that your comment was designed to deceive people? I’m just checking, because it sounds like you’re admitting that. I want to be sure. > [@](#): > > And I will, if you promise to continue monitoring this thread and advising, in a neutral way, when one poster doesn’t answer another’s question. You’ll be like, a referee. What does this have to do with anything. You think that someone calling your out on your utter bullshit lies and misinformation somehow levies upon them a arbiter tax? “Call Bricker out and you are sentenced to five hours community service.” That doesn’t seem sane. You’re spouting horseshit lies and people call you on them. If you think someone else is lying, call them on that. It’s a simple process. And pretending you’re being oppressed by the evil liberals who are picking on you just makes you look even weaker than you are. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1811 "2012-07-25T16:41:50Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Bwahahahaha. You know, I have my doubts as to whether you actually laughed like that. I think you might be trying to employ an empty dramatic device. > [@](#): > > Yeah, sure. > > The only time you criticize is for acting like a Republican, but that doesn’t prove a thing. It’s coincidence. You never saw those threads, any of them. Who is acting like a Republican? Stupak? Well he was pushing for an absolutely insane government restriction on abortion. I guess that’s like something a Republican would do. I’m not sure how you’re making a case for hypocrisy when I find actions wrong when both Democrats and Republicans do them. Do you see how your very stance is stupid and illogical? You’re floundering Bricker. Just because you don’t always get called on your shit, doesn’t mean it isn’t drivel. You’re advocating a position that I’m rigidly partisan based on _posts I didn’t make_. That’s just stupid and dishonest. But coming from you, it’s hardly unexpected. The posts _I actually make_ are what you should judge. And unlike you, I don’t craft posts to give me plausible deniability. You constantly point to your disavowing of Republicans who are caught red-handed. But you do it because they are going down anyway, and it gives the illusion that you’re a fair person. If you were actually even-handed, maybe you wouldn’t bring up those few disavowals every time you’re questioned about your motives. I’ve shown that you’re a liar in this very thread. There is simply no question. I’ve shown that you want to deceive people with nonsense. You know, that everyone here can see that right? You’re screaming and hoping that volume will make up for content. But this isn’t a Def Leppard concert. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1812 "2012-07-25T16:42:29Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I think there’s a significant amount of people who won’t bother to get ID, for whatever reason, and that many of them are potential Democratic party voters… And, once again, you evade the direct question. I asked you about illegal voters. Your answer may very well apply to people who were, until this time, legal and registered voters for years. They aren’t illegal voters, and least not yet. So, one more time? Are the Democrats currently benefiting from illegal voters? Simple enough question, it would seem. Yet you seem to have such difficulty answering it… > [@](#): > > …Lying or mistaken, yes… Evidence? Or is this one of those intuitive things? > [@](#): > > …For the second, that the ID is _required_ to be provided for free to anyone who qualifies, and who is considered too poor to pay for it… You’re giving them props for not doing what they couldn’t get away with, but only hampering and hindering voters in ways that are not directly connected to money? Damned white of you! > [@](#): > > …For the first, I don’t actually agree with your point, but my evidence for my belief is posts by you and others saying so… What? I’m not getting this, unless you are saying that our testimony is rock solid when you find it agreeable, but to be dismissed otherwise? Perhaps you could clarify. > [@](#): > > …Now, my belief on how this could play out, based on observing it from the outside, is this. … and therefore I can only see your objection to it as being short term partisan foolishness. Its what is known as a principled objection. You could look it up. I quite agree, this could very well rebound to their disadvantage. Its still wrong, and not to be accepted by a person of democratic principle. Such as myself. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1813 "2012-07-25T16:42:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The **Bricker** Principle: when losing the argument, change the subject. It’s a non-religious Gish-Gallop. ---
**Author:** ![Parthol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dec6dc/32.png) [@Parthol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Parthol)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1814 "2012-07-25T16:45:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > 1. A stipulation at trial is not a general-purpose admission. At trial, their point is to say, even if there is no evidence of voter fraud, and no reason to think that their proposed voter ID laws will affect the frequency of Voter ID crimes, the law is still permissible, as outlined in _Crawford v Marion County_. > > 2. “The government of Pennsylvania” is not synonymous with “Mike Tarzai.” Perhaps Mike doesn’t agree with the facts in that stipulation. I was actually asking what _you_ think. Do you think Tarzai disagrees, and actually thinks that the number of fraudulent votes prevented is likely to be greater than the margin between between candidates? > [@](#): > > And it’s a shame you don’t have time. I can think of plenty of posts pointed at me that have utterly failed to address the issues I offered up. Pure bad luck that the one you focused on was one of mine doing the same thing. I’ll stare past your misplaced sarcasm for a minute and say straight up: of course it’s not “bad luck.” I focused on the post at the end of the thread I had got around to skimming, and which pinged a particular peeve of mine. And I’m only in this thread at all, because I find the current voter-ID-laws brou-ha-has to be of particular interest. (And, yes, I see things in the same light as most of your debate opponents in this thread, though I’m less apt to levy insults, Pit though this is. I’m a left-leaning moderate who used to be a right-leaning moderate, and whose movement, I believe, is the result of the political landscape lurching to the right in the past decade or so. That makes it even more likely that when I post, I’ll post in defense of left-leaning ideas.) I don’t have huge amounts of time to read the Dope, let alone post in it, as you can see by my blazing pace of 40 posts per year over the past decade. It’s fairly arbitrary when I decide to post, especially in GD or the Pit. I actually like you as a poster, **Bricker** , certainly more than most other folks posting here. I request you aim your persecuted-sarcasm gun at more worthy targets. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1815 "2012-07-25T16:46:08Z")
> [@](#): > > t’s a non-religious Gish-Gallop. That is a rather obscure term, as defined by me. If I don’t know what it means, its obscure. For about a second there, I thought it had something to do with lady parts. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1816 "2012-07-25T16:54:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That is a rather obscure term, as defined by me. If I don’t know what it means, its obscure. For about a second there, I thought it had something to do with lady parts. It is more common in Creationism debates. For those who aren’t familiar: > [@](#): > > The Gish Gallop is a skeptics’ jargon term, named after creationist Duane Gish, for the debating technique of drowning the opponent in such a torrent of half-truths, lies, and straw-man arguments that the opponent cannot possibly answer every falsehood in real time. I have no comment as to whether friend Bricker is similar to any commonly used pejoratives for lady-parts. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1817 "2012-07-25T17:03:38Z")
> [@](#): > > …1. A stipulation at trial is not a general-purpose admission. At trial, their point is to say, even if there is no evidence of voter fraud, and no reason to think that their proposed voter ID laws will affect the frequency of Voter ID crimes, the law is still permissible, as outlined in Crawford v Marion County… This is almost certainly true. When it comes to the cynical and unprincipled manipulation of the law to partisan ends, **Bricker** is our “go-to” guy. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1818 "2012-07-25T17:15:22Z")
> [@Parthol](#): > > I was actually asking what _you_ think. Do you think Tarzai disagrees, and actually thinks that the number of fraudulent votes prevented is likely to be greater than the margin between between candidates? No way. You pop in to a shouting match between me and a bunch of liars, shameless assholes, and filthy unprincipled lunatics, and appeal to me to provide an honest opinion. “Yes, let me lace up my gloves, ref; I know the chap on in the other corner is keen for a fair fight. I can’t imagine why he’s rolling his gloves in glue and broken glass.” In more straightforward terms: you must know Lobohan and Hentor won’t stoop to honesty unless it, purely by happenstance, will help them. Why must I be the only one who is following Queensbury? No comment on your question. I say only that Tarzai could have thought what I proposed. I’m no mind reader. I don’t know what he thought. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1819 "2012-07-25T17:19:52Z")
Oh, you poor dear! So badly mistreated. Everybody! **Bricker** needs a group hug, over here. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1820 "2012-07-25T17:21:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No way. > > You pop in to a shouting match between me and a bunch of liars, shameless assholes, and filthy unprincipled lunatics, and appeal to me to provide an honest opinion. “Yes, let me lace up my gloves, ref; I know the chap on in the other corner is keen for a fair fight. I can’t imagine why he’s rolling his gloves in glue and broken glass.” Bricker, that’s not an honest description of this thread. I haven’t lied that I know of in it, and you’ve done little but be dishonest. And you’ve openly lied about my position on gerrymandering, and when called on it, you invented some bizarre test where I have to prove I’m not partisan… for some reason. You are capable of telling the truth, so it isn’t something pathological in you, you just choose not to. > [@](#): > > In more straightforward terms: you must know Lobohan and Hentor won’t stoop to honesty unless it, purely by happenstance, will help them. Why must I be the only one who is following Queensbury? Even if Hentor and I were lying, it wouldn’t make you a better person for doing so. The fact that Hentor and I aren’t lying, makes it even worse. You cry like a child about how you’re being oppressed, but you don’t have the adult dignity to comport yourself in an honest and clear manner. > [@](#): > > No comment on your question. I say only that Tarzai could have thought what I proposed. I’m no mind reader. I don’t know what he thought. Yet you presume to know what I think. Funny that. You lost the debate because you didn’t have the arguments to support it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=90) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943.md?page=92)