# I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1)

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**Created:** [June 12, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943 "2012-06-12T19:15:52Z")\
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**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\
**Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors-part-1/624943/1682 "2012-07-23T16:34:08Z")

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> [@Bricker](#):
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> I’m sorry, but I’m not going to respond to this.
> 
> Some time back, in a discussion of health care laws, Lobohan asked me if there was some point where it would be acceptable for people to die because they could not afford health care. After generally pointing out that there was obviously a point for every health care system that had to confront that issue – do you spend $500,000 a month to keep a ninety-year-old alive? – I said that yes, in my view, it is acceptable for people to die if they cannot afford health care.

Actually, friend Bricker, you are either lying or mistaken about that.

In that long ago thread Voyager said:

> [@Dispelling US Health Care Myths: Part 1](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dispelling-us-health-care-myths-part-1/525997/245):
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> I already said that being more efficient, while still meeting the goal, was better. The case in point here is that having a deficit says nothing at all about whether the program is efficient. Efficiency, to repeat, is a measure of how close you come to the ideal of providing value for minimal cost. Please demonstrate that private insurers come closer to this ideal than Medicare.
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> If you go out shopping to buy 20 items, you can measure the efficiency of your shopping by how close you get to the minimal price for your grocery cart. Not buying the milk to save money is not being efficient.
> 
> The real problem with justification is not the cost, but acceptance of the goal. If you don’t accept that it is proper for society to tax its citizens to provide life sustaining healthcare for every person, then the cost is just a sideshow. **I’ve asked several times in this thread if those who believe this think it is acceptable for people to die because they couldn’t afford proper treatment. So far, only the sounds of crickets.**

Emphasis mine. You quoted the emphasised section and said:

> [@Dispelling US Health Care Myths: Part 1](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dispelling-us-health-care-myths-part-1/525997/246):
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> It is acceptable for people to die because they can’t afford the proper treatment.

That was the last thing you said in that thread. There is no context missing, you simply made that post and stopped talking. Why are you saying you’re taken out of context? Why are you misrepresenting the conversation?

So which is it? Are you lying or are you mistaken?

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