“A conservative figure would be $70 million. A more modest figure would be $125 million to $150 million.” Meaning that less modest ones are close indeed to what your cite did.
You really need to get remedial reading comprehension classes.
BTW those are estimates, (even the one you pointed at) and more researched than the 600+ one. (That remains a lie that is swallowing many on the right) In any case they agree more closely with the larger number that includes more than just the website.
Everyone can see that you omitted the more modest estimates as per the words of Media Matters, it is you the one that tried to lie even after the information was already posted.
Turn for what? You really are just doubling down on your failure of reading comprehension, Media Matters reported that the modest estimate was indeed larger than 70 millions but you told all that Media Matters only reported “70 millions”.
A very clear fib.
It would be sad but I’m not willing to give a sucker (for lies from the right like you) an even break.
See, almost nobody is “trying to provide health care” and a great many people are “trying to make money off the provision of health care,” and we wonder why our health care costs are so high.
This has been the problem the whole time. The idea that a great website, or even a functional one, has anything to do with health care is ridiculous. The idea that health INSURANCE has anything to do with great health care is almost as ridiculous.
But, hey, focus on the problems of the website. That’ll fix things.
The way I read it, is that you can “at a glance” remove contractors who can’t possibly have work related to the website, and get down to $350M. Now, you have to dig into each contract to see what portion of the work is non-website, and what work is website. If 600–>350 is what you get from a “glance” imagine how far down you’re going to get once you actually start looking at the details.
"I have here in my hand indisputable proof that the government wasted 110 million dollars on 50 million lines of code, all of which were written from a CPM system using QBASIC! This is straight from Someguyonthe.net, the most authoritative source evah!
Of this 260 million dollars squandered, 389 million was blown on 129 million lines of code that are Netscape Navigator applications and AOL chat rooms, of which 560 million dollars was spent for 367 million lines of code purposed to signing up registrants for the English as a Second Language for Gay Whales project, which is currently budgeted at 759 million dollars and will require 557 million lines of code, according this sign held up by a guy outside a Scientology Center…"
“Hey, wait a second, how about this press release that says the actual numbers are 45 million dollars for 2.5 million lines of code?”
“Oh,so 45 million dollars pissed away is OK with you guys, huh? Well, half of that 110 million dollars is for pictures of cats on Reddit and the other 234 million dollars…”
I heard another hater on a news show say it was up to “almost a billion dollars”. Seems like they are still searching for that sweet number that will start the revolution.
The figures on the web site cost coming from the right wing are just as fanciful as those estimates of what Obama’s foreign travel to India cost. Remember that $200 million per day that was obtained from the anonymous “top official of the Maharashtra Government privy to the arrangements for the high-profile visit.”? Same stuff at work here. Make up a number. If it doesn’t smear Obama enough, jack it up. Send it around, each time inflating it. Sooner or later, it will be the Gross World Product times a billion.
It’s pretty pathetic that the right wingers are all getting erections at the thought that computer glitches could keep the uninsured from getting the medical care that they need. They aren’t assholes because they’re right wingers, they’re right wingers because they’re assholes.
$600 million seems pretty crazy and I really have no idea what number is correct, but here is a little math that could give an idea of reasonable ranges.
Based on my experience, average consulting rates for technical work (averaged over all of the levels of expertise on the project) can be around $200 per hour. If we assume 300 working days each year (just guessing) that means each full time person costs about $500,000 per year.
So, 600 million over two years (contracts in Dec 2011) minus hardware and non-labor costs (lets just pretend that’s $100 million) leaving 500 million for two years, 250m per year, divided by 500,000 per person=500 people per year.
Spread out amongst 50 contractors=10 per contractor.
500 people per year for 2 years feels like a lot for something they just started coding this spring of 2013.
If we do the same calcs assuming 100 million in contract labor, then the numbers end up being 100 people per year spread across 50 contractors=2 per, which seems like a lot of contractors for the number of people per.
In either case, there were probably fewer people used up front during design than during development, so maybe that shifts the 100 million guess to be 50 people the first year and 150 the 2nd.
Both ends of the spectrum end up seeming odd when you do the calcs. The number of contractors seems to point to the higher numbers but total person count doesn’t seem right because that’s a lot of people to assemble quickly for a project.
If they spent 600 million (I don’t know what they spent), the “website” is just one portion of a much larger system, so calling it “a website” is a little misleading.
“To sum up: The floor for spending on the Web site to date appears to be at least $170 million, with an upward potential of nearly $300 million.”
Much of the language you cite seems to be from the exact same article.
The language I cite is in the update at the bottom.
I think I originally got the number from CNN.
No its not. $600MM is only about double $300MM. $200 million dollars a day is orders of magnitude larger than the actual cost of a presidential trip and might have been some garbling of rupees to dollars (60::1 exchange rate).
I support Obamacare but there is no excuse for the website and how much it costs.
My outrage doesn’t go down a fucking drop because its ONLY $300 million for a website that doesn’t work.
The original system for Medicare part D was at similar levels (with a 55 million extra bill because of a mistake) And still had severe problems at launch time.
I’m also upset, but my outrage is not at a high level because it was 2 weeks ago that I did register, but that is not the main reason why I’m not so sanguine, the main reason is that seeing people like you and the Republicans demanding very extreme remedial ideas or just extreme outrage manufactured whit false numbers does the opposite.
I’m more willing then to give them a chance to make it better, as it happened with medicare part D and in the case of the space program during the Apollo era.
I mean, seeing some people declaring this to be a complete failure is like if after the Apollo one disaster the USA had decided that it was not important to go to the moon and leave the Soviets control even the space above us.
BTW, please note that the problem with the numbers and the outrage pumpers is happening under the context of the fight to eliminate Obamacare that already did cost the USA 24 Billion dollars, and caused by the ones that are not being confronted by the corporate media for the real waste that just hapened. You bet there is outrage, and it should be going towards the Republicans.
A) We spent how much fucking money on a website that doesn’t work?
B) The right is having a fucking field day with this fiasco. And rightly so. If government can’t get a fucking website to work, it doesn’t instill a whole lot of confidence that they can do anything else right.
I don’t remember medicare part D being a goatfuck or not because we didn’t have the fucking tea party trying to destroy it. Obamacare had a huge fucking target on its back and they had to get everything right that was within human control. A website rollout is within human control.
Why is the left so eager to pretend this is no big deal. The right is having a field day.
