# I pit the idiots who say the Nazis were "Socialists". **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2014, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568 "2014-08-15T01:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/141 "2018-03-20T18:02:20Z")
At least it’s an ethos. C’mon, you were all thinking that. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/142 "2018-03-20T18:02:29Z")
> [@Eminent](#): > > Whether socialism is a good or a bad thing is a separate discussion. It’s a bad thing, for the record. No ‘freedom-loving’ person should ever indulge in a system predicated on taking money from others and forcing you to subsidize other people. Is it Ayn Rand’s birthday already? ---
**Author:** ![Eminent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Eminent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eminent)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/143 "2018-03-20T18:05:43Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Is it Ayn Rand’s birthday already? Speaking of birthdays, how do you celebrate Chavez’s? Or is he considered persona non grata now that his policies have shown to be a failure? Oh well, at least you still have small homogeneous countries in Europe to fawn over. Though with the migrant crisis you can pretty much say goodbye to that. Those economies won’t be able to carry the weight forever. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/144 "2018-03-20T18:09:21Z")
We have streets named for him in many major US cities ---
**Author:** ![Eminent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Eminent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eminent)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/145 "2018-03-20T18:11:39Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > We have streets named for him in many major US cities You have streets named for Cesar Chavez, not Hugo Chavez, but neither one warrants one, honestly. Only one of these socialist idols collapsed an entire country, leading to the starvation and death of thousands…so that’s good. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/146 "2018-03-20T18:14:22Z")
> [@Eminent](#): > > That’s besides the point. The thread is about Nazi ideology and whether it’s accurate to describe the National Socialists as socialists. Whether socialism is a good or a bad thing is a separate discussion. It’s a bad thing, for the record. No ‘freedom-loving’ person should ever indulge in a system predicated on taking money from others and forcing you to subsidize other people. On a side-note: What narrative are leftists using to justify the complete collapse of Venezuela? Have you all played the ‘they’re not really socialists’ card yet? Or are you all blaming it on external factors? Give me the scoop. Nazi Germany had a bad political and economic system which failed. Chavezist Venezuela had a bad political and economic system which failed. But they weren’t the same system. Politics is more complicated than bumper stickers would lead you to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/147 "2018-03-20T18:15:46Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Politics is more complicated than bumper stickers would lead you to believe. Even the ones that have flags on them? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/148 "2018-03-20T18:15:51Z")
> [@Eminent](#): > > Speaking of birthdays, how do you celebrate Chavez’s? Or is he considered persona non grata now that his policies have shown to be a failure? Oh well, at least you still have small homogeneous countries in Europe to fawn over. Though with the migrant crisis you can pretty much say goodbye to that. Those economies won’t be able to carry the weight forever. Is this the only view you get in Randland? No wonder you spend so much time with your heads up your asses. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/149 "2018-03-20T18:17:37Z")
So then is the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea any of those things besides Korean? Der…p, but they use ‘Democratic’ in the name, so they must be a democracy, right? Or are they secretly allied with the Democratic party in the USA? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Eminent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Eminent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eminent)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/150 "2018-03-20T18:18:08Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Just came out of a coma, I take it? Yes. Four years later and I wake up to find leftists fawning over the sister of the ultra-authoritarian North Korean leader. Shit’s crazy. I guess the left has stopped pretending to be concerned with human rights and egalitarian principles. ---
**Author:** ![Eminent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Eminent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eminent)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/151 "2018-03-20T18:19:16Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > So then is the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea any of those things besides Korean? > > Der…p, but they use ‘Democratic’ in the name, so they must be a democracy, right? Or are they secretly allied with the Democratic party in the USA? 😛 North Koreans have very few if any democratic principles/policies in place. Nazi Germany had a number of socialist principles/policies in place. At least come up with a remotely sensible argument. ---
**Author:** ![Eminent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Eminent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eminent)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/152 "2018-03-20T18:20:50Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Is this the only view you get in Randland? No wonder you spend so much time with your heads up your asses. Shucks. I thought you were actually going to give me a real response for a second. I was curious to know how leftists celebrate Hugo Chavez’s birthday. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/153 "2018-03-20T18:22:48Z")
C’mon peeps. It’s a Pit thread. Where’s the pent-up anti-zombie indignation? Show me some undead-killin’ RAGE. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/154 "2018-03-20T18:24:19Z")
> [@Eminent](#): > > Shucks. I thought you were actually going to give me a real response for a second. I was curious to know how leftists celebrate Hugo Chavez’s birthday. Maybe you’ll have better luck asking if I still beat my wife. ---
**Author:** ![Eminent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Eminent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eminent)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/155 "2018-03-20T18:25:22Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Nazi Germany had a bad political and economic system which failed. Chavezist Venezuela had a bad political and economic system which failed. But they weren’t the same system. > > Politics is more complicated than bumper stickers would lead you to believe. No shit? Denmark is not the same system as Sweden. Go figure. Chavez’s economic system was one of the main social governments touted by the left. Jeremy Corbyn constantly talked about how great Venezuela was. Now they’re stoning cows to eat. Hilarious. ‘Politics is more complicated than bumper stickers…’ Great information. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/156 "2018-03-20T18:27:30Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That’s because world leaders don’t like the idea that they can be removed by the legislature or the courts when they break the law. > > I’m not sure what ideology supports Presidential lawlessness, but it sure sounds suspiciously lefty to me.🙂 The quote is from 2014. Perhaps you’d wish to reconsider in light of recent events. ---
**Author:** ![Eminent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Eminent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eminent)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/157 "2018-03-20T18:28:15Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Maybe you’ll have better luck asking if I still beat my wife. Well…do you? And is she ‘cisgender’? Just curious. But okay…Which socialist leader would you prefer, if not Hugo? I think we can pretty much rule out the entirety of Africa, Latin America, and much of Asia. You all have done a bang up job destroying those places. Who’s the most celebrated socialist figure in Europe these days? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/158 "2018-03-20T18:31:24Z")
> [@Eminent](#): > > Yes. Four years later and I wake up to find leftists fawning over the sister of the ultra-authoritarian North Korean leader. You’ll get used to this: Cite? I mean, sure, we get as entertained by his shenanigans as anybody, but “fawning?” Personally, I look forward to the day he’s marched in front of some anti-aircraft guns, so ante up some proof. ---
**Author:** ![Eminent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Eminent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eminent)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/159 "2018-03-20T18:33:58Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > The quote is from 2014. Perhaps you’d wish to reconsider in light of recent events. The recent event of leftists drooling over Kim Jong Un’s sister? The recent event of leftists helping peddle pro-Iranian government propaganda against the protesters? Or, the recent event of leftists rallying behind the corrupt dictator of Venezuela’s illegal push to become an even more powerful dictator? ---
**Author:** ![Eminent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Eminent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eminent)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568/160 "2018-03-20T18:35:57Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > You’ll get used to this: Cite? I mean, sure, we get as entertained by his shenanigans as anybody, but “fawning?” Personally, I look forward to the day he’s marched in front of some anti-aircraft guns, so ante up some proof. [https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-bias-hatred-of-trump-brings-disgraceful-fawning-over-kim-jong-uns-sister-at-winter-olympics/](https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-bias-hatred-of-trump-brings-disgraceful-fawning-over-kim-jong-uns-sister-at-winter-olympics/) Are you denying this happened? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idiots-who-say-the-nazis-were-socialists/695568.md?page=9)