# I pit the idolization of Luigi Mangione **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2025, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914 "2025-02-28T10:37:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/107 "2025-03-02T05:24:49Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The missing context is that the person who said it is an American hero who saved the world for democracy, and the people he said it about were Nazis. Smapti? That can’t be the missing context because my quote is from McVeigh. Do try to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/108 "2025-03-02T05:29:25Z")
> [@Zoobi](#): > > I can take solace in the fact that you are too much of coward to kill anyone. It’s a shame that the world is filled with others who aren’t. That reminds me of the governor of Pennsylvania Josh Shapiro who gave a speech on what an evil person Luigi is and how violence is never the answer. Then people started posting photos of him signing bombs being sent to Gaza. The role of violence in society is very complex. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/109 "2025-03-02T05:43:00Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > That can’t be the missing context because my quote is from McVeigh. And I was quoting Patton. Do try to keep up. > [@Zoobi](#): > > You are clearly mentally ill. Says the person too chickenshit to acknowledge that they’re arguing that it’s wrong to shoot Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/110 "2025-03-02T05:46:11Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And I was quoting Patton. Do try to keep up. Fuckwit? By definition this, > [@Smapti](#): > > Hey, I can provide out of context quotes too! is accusing me of quoting someone out of context. That’s what the “too” fucking means. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/111 "2025-03-02T05:46:12Z")
All this shows is that society is OK with killing as long as it’s not directly violent. Health insurance companies kill thousands of Americans nonviolently - no problem. In fact, congrats on the profit. We should all aspire to wealth. One gunman takes down a healthcare CEO with violence - horror! evil! can never be condoned! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/112 "2025-03-02T05:48:53Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > Yes he was. > > “So what do we do about a system where it’s legal to kill ~~people~~ babies by the thousands as long as you’re rich or have the right friends?” What is your major malfunction? Embryos and fetuses _are not babies_. People are needlessly dying because of tightening regulations on women’s bodies. The RW assholery that wants to declare that they are is the same band of troglodytes who are dead set on classifying women as livestock. Breeding stock for the superior half of the human species. Accusing Dr Tiller of being a murderer is plain lame-ass shit, because “pro-life” never was about abortion, it was/is about oppressing women. You should be embarrassed of posting that garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/113 "2025-03-02T05:49:19Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > is accusing me of quoting someone out of context. Which you did by trying to compare Luigi Mangione (and me) to Tim McVeigh. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/114 "2025-03-02T05:52:48Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > You should be embarrassed of posting that garbage. Umm, did you notice that I very, very, intentionally put that in quotes so that folks would have a clear indication that it was a position I was using as a reductio ad absurdum? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/115 "2025-03-02T05:54:45Z")
Well, it is indeed absurd to compare Luigi Mangione to Paul Hill. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/116 "2025-03-02T05:55:32Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Which you did by trying to compare Luigi Mangione (and me) to Tim McVeigh. Well, yeah. All three of you agree that “we have to shed blood to reform the current system”. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/117 "2025-03-02T05:58:06Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > All three of you agree that “we have to shed blood to reform the current system”. Our country EXISTS because of people who agreed that blood had to be shed to reform the existing system. “Give me liberty or give me death” ring a bell? “I regret that I have but one life to give for my country”? “To arms, the British are coming”? Get over your ignorant “violence is gross and icky and therefore always wrong no matter what” utopian fantasy land mindset and spend a few minutes in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/118 "2025-03-02T06:06:29Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Our country EXISTS because of people who agreed that blood had to be shed to reform the existing system. Get over your ignorant “violence is gross and icky and therefore always wrong no matter what” utopian fantasy land mindset and spend a few minutes in the real world. I do thoroughly enjoy your totally black and white reality where one must choose between pacifism and slitting throats. BTW, there are no shades of grey between the blacks and whites of your morality Smapti . . . there is no black and white everything is a shade of grey. I’d shoot Hitler, but until Germany surrenders I’d be fucking terrified that that wasn’t the right thing to do at the right time. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/119 "2025-03-02T06:07:42Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I’d shoot Hitler But that would be murder! And murder is ALWAYS wrong! You’re a hypocrite and a moral monster exactly like I am, and therefore exactly as evil as Tim McVeigh and Paul Hill! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/120 "2025-03-02T06:10:46Z")
No, Hitler is, IIUC, an enemy combatant and therefore it is not murder. Shades of grey Smapti, shades of grey. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/121 "2025-03-02T06:12:30Z")
So, since now you believe in shades of gray, what’s the difference between shooting someone who kills thousands of people in the name of political idealogy and shooting someone who kills thousands of people in the name of turning a profit, such that one is acceptable and the other isn’t? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/122 "2025-03-02T06:14:39Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So, since now you believe in shades of gray Again, FUCKWIT? Your strawman of my position is not my position. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/123 "2025-03-02T06:14:57Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Shades of grey Smapti, shades of grey. Smapti has _never_ once seen any shades of grey. He used to be Law & Order Smapti, now he’s anarchist Smapti. Doesn’t matter what he believes in, each time it’s only in absolutes. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/124 "2025-03-02T06:15:55Z")
That’s not an answer to the question I asked you. Maybe if you cared to actually state a coherent position I wouldn’t be describing it inaccurately. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/125 "2025-03-02T06:21:43Z")
Smapti? If you can’t see that pointlessly murdering someone because of the fucked up medical insurance system we have and killing the man responsible for THE FUCKING HOLOCAUST I can’t help you… ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/126 "2025-03-02T06:22:31Z")
That’s not a complete sentence. And it’s not an answer to the question either. If Hitler had killed six million Jews by denying them access to medical care so he could make more money, would it have been wrong to shoot him? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914.md?page=7)