# I pit the idolization of Luigi Mangione **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2025, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914 "2025-02-28T10:37:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/147 "2025-03-02T09:19:10Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > The Dems tried to implement Obamacare, which got watered down and watered down because of the need to compromise due to the US consistently voting for and giving Republicans power. Because the system is designed to give Republicans an edge in getting elected, and to suppress the Democratic vote. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/148 "2025-03-02T10:38:12Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > We do; except that since the right wing is the only side that believes that they can use violence they can do so with impunity. While the alleged defenders of the bigots and the powerful have no answer except “It would be _wrong_ to fight back! You’ll die with the moral upper hand, though!” By this logic you’d support a successful assassination of Trump by a Democrat. Heck, I’m depressed to admit that I would have been overjoyed if one of the previous attempts had been successful. People who support bloodshed or revolution are rarely the ones who have to pull the trigger or face the families afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/149 "2025-03-02T12:46:39Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > By this logic you’d support a successful assassination of Trump by a Democrat. That can’t be meaningfully discussed here, since it’s IIRC against the rules. And likely genuinely dangerous to say “yes”. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/150 "2025-03-02T13:55:15Z")
Fair enough, I retract my question. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/151 "2025-03-02T14:44:52Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Great. Now I’m in agreement with Der\_Trihs. We’ve gone off the rails. This is the most genuinely surprising post in this thread. In my mind, you and Der\_Trihs are closer to one another than to anyone else on this board in your positions, reasoning, and philosophy. Do you actually see yourself as significantly different from him? ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/152 "2025-03-02T14:47:02Z")
Not fair. So far as I know, **Der\_Trihs** hasn’t come out in support of a genocide. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And that in practice the only violence that is “always wrong” is _punching up;_ attacking doctors who perform abortions, killing gays, lynching black people and so on is acceptable because those are people the Right thinks _deserve_ to die. _Politicians can’t be threatened just for laws that they design, but if you die from a complicated pregnancy that’s fine…_ From [Don’t Politicize This](https://philiplabes.bandcamp.com/track/dont-politicize-this) — a catchy tune, y’all really should give it a listen (link is to the bandcamp page). ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/153 "2025-03-02T14:48:45Z")
Now, now, it’s not genocide it’s double plus good murder. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/154 "2025-03-02T20:48:24Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > So far as I know, **Der\_Trihs** hasn’t come out in support of a genocide. Good thing I haven’t done that either. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/155 "2025-04-18T06:56:59Z")
He was formally indicted on federal charges today. I have no pity for him since his violence brought him into play. I have a back problem different from his that keeps me up at night. If I were in his prison, I doubt I could get a decent mattress, a chiro/medical specialist or even a hot water bottle and pain pills. I’m sure I would get turned down for most of these luxury items. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2025, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/156 "2025-05-10T15:44:50Z")
Leniency for this Luigi Mangione supporter, who called for the killing of a hospital system CEO? > **[The Sovereign Citizen Threat: Unpacking a Dangerous Arson Case - Sovereign...](https://sovereigncitizenwatch.com/2025/05/10/the-sovereign-citizen-threat-unpacking-a-dangerous-arson-case/)** > > On June 14, 2023, a fire erupted on the railroad tracks in Farnham, New York, disrupting the operations of NorfolkContinue readingThe Sovereign Citizen Threat: Unpacking a Dangerous Arson Case ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2025, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/157 "2025-05-10T17:26:18Z")
Billionaires, high-dollar CEOs and wealth concentration _are why we have SovCits_ ITFP (at least in large part). Those folks are, or have been made to feel, marginalized and/or shut out of the system. Leveling out wealth and razing some major socioeconomic barriers would go a long way toward repatriating a lot of SovCits. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2025, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/158 "2025-05-10T20:37:29Z")
The thing about sov cits (I first typed sob cits, which is how it generally turns out for them) is that they feel they’re superior to the common rabble of folks who feel responsibility toward each other. They are _privileged_ in that they don’t have to obey any laws or regulations they don’t like - which amounts to _anything_ that costs them money or inconveniences them in any fashion. They’re not rebelling against billionaires and CEOs so much as democratic society as a whole. Glorifying or making excuses for Luigi Mangione does tend to encourage their criminal behavior (as in this case) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2025, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/159 "2025-05-10T21:46:44Z")
Yes, SobCits are not rebelling against billionaires. I apologize if you got that impression from my post. What I am saying is that the culture that nurtures billionaires and high dollar CEOs is the same environment that gives rise to a lot of underlying problems, SobCits being one of them. They are a relatively small problem in the overall vector map of society, but there are a whole host of other small problems to which they add.        Wealth disparity is not the only causal vector relative to society’s ills, but it is a very non-small one, that comes with some troubling feedback loops. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2025, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/160 "2025-05-10T23:49:38Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > What I am saying is that the culture that nurtures billionaires and high dollar CEOs is the same environment that gives rise to a lot of underlying problems, SobCits being one of them Without any explanation of how that’s supposedly happening SovCits are an intersection between conspiracy theorists and fraudsters. “Wealth disparity” has fuck-all to do with it. Some SovCits **are** wealthy which invalidates your whole speculation here. In fact it’s pretty common. Wealthy people feel especially entitled. Case in point, Wesley Snipes was convicted of tax evasion after using classic SovCit logic to explain why he didn’t owe taxes. I’ve seen videos of people with expensive homes and cars spouting this stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/161 "2025-05-12T03:11:43Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > They’re not rebelling against billionaires and CEOs so much as democratic society as a whole. Yes, but I think eschereal has a valid broader point that excessive wealth and power stratification is part of what’s helping sour a lot of people on “democratic society as a whole”. You are right that the only people who respond to that souring by going full SovCit are people with conspiracy theorist/fraudster tendencies. But that doesn’t mean that the two phenomena are entirely independent. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/162 "2025-05-12T03:23:16Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > You are right that the only people who respond to that souring by going full SovCit are people with conspiracy theorist/fraudster tendencies. From what I’ve seen (and I think there’s a little research on this) a lot of SovCits come from two sources, people that have for various reasons have either; lost custody of children or had their driver’s license suspended. There are some outliers (I know of at least one the became a SovCit because her mortgage was foreclosed and her house was sold at a sheriff’s sale) but those two are the most common. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/163 "2025-05-12T03:23:42Z")
I think one relationship is that SovCits have the billionaire attitude of being above the rules, _without_ billions of dollars to back it up. So they get arrested and mocked instead of being deferred to. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/164 "2025-05-12T04:36:31Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I think one relationship is that SovCits have the billionaire attitude of being above the rules, _without_ billions of dollars to back it up. So they get arrested and mocked instead of being deferred to. - You forget the secret Treasury account that’s opened when a baby is born. Many billions of dollars await those who know the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/165 "2025-05-12T12:34:20Z")
I am surprised that no one has yet mentioned _Unalive the Billionaires_ by Farley Katz. You want idolization of Luigi Mangione? Get your copy FREE at Amazon. It’s pretty effin unbelievable that it is so, but it’s been there for at least 3 months. I read it. I’m a cranky old white guy who is not easy to please, and I loved it. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914/166 "2025-05-14T13:53:48Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > [@Kimstu](#): > > > > You are right that the only people who respond to that souring by going full SovCit are people with conspiracy theorist/fraudster tendencies. > > From what I’ve seen (and I think there’s a little research on this) a lot of SovCits come from two sources, people that have for various reasons have either; lost custody of children or had their driver’s license suspended. There are some outliers (I know of at least one the became a SovCit because her mortgage was foreclosed and her house was sold at a sheriff’s sale) but those two are the most common. Here’s [a good review](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7513757/) of sov cits by Christine Sarteschi, a professor of social work and criminology at Chatham University, who’s been following the movement. > [@](#): > > …sovereign citizens are not a monothetic or ideologically pure group. Their ideology oftentimes overlaps with other groups including militias, antigovernment groups, and patriot/white supremacy groups. Others with overlapping philosophies include the Black Panther party, scientology, anti-vaccination, dooms day preppers, and other movements. The article also mentions the [Posse Comitatus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_(organization)) as an ancestor of the sovereign citizen movement. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-idolization-of-luigi-mangione/1014914.md?page=9)