# I Pit the Mother of the Texas school shooter **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 5, 2022, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691 "2022-06-05T08:40:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/222 "2022-06-08T13:27:53Z")
People routinely go into gun stores and buy multiple firearms and cases of ammo. Happens a lot in April and May when folks get their tax refund. As long as the store was doing legal business how exactly are you blaming them? If the gun store could see the future they’d be buying lottery tickets ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/223 "2022-06-08T13:30:55Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > People routinely go into gun stores and buy multiple firearms and cases of ammo. Happens a lot in April and May when folks get their tax refund. And that is the exact difference between the United States of Gunmerica and every other civilized country in the world, where mass shootings DON’T happen every day. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/224 "2022-06-08T13:47:02Z")
As long as the mother didn’t facilitate the murders, how exactly are you blaming her? If people could control their immediate reactions to grief the world would be a very different place. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/225 "2022-06-08T13:51:51Z")
I didn’t blame her for anything. I said her statements were hurtful. Not that looking at how that guy was raised would be a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/226 "2022-06-08T13:52:41Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Not that looking at how that guy was raised would be a bad idea. I agree, the fact that he was raised in a gun-proliferated society is a major issue that directly led to this shooting. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/227 "2022-06-08T13:53:30Z")
You called her a cunt and pitted her. Yeah, I agree her statements were hurtful. I pit the asshole who published them, and other assholes who re-publish them to give them greater exposure, like you. Some statements should be allowed to quietly fade into oblivion. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/228 "2022-06-08T13:53:32Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > I didn’t blame her for anything. I said her statements were hurtful. You _aren’t_ blaming her for being insensitive and self-serving? ~Max ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/229 "2022-06-08T13:53:54Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > There must be a sociological reason that such travesties are occurring at the frequency they are when they could have at any time in the last one hundred years. You brought up the idea of the Thomason Sub-Machine gun. Now, do you know how much one of those would have cost,in say 1934? About $200, more than a new car at the time. Now, a car costs $30,000, and an AR-15, fully decked, costs a bit over $2,000. Ease of access includes cost of purchase. Your hypothetical mail in mass murderer of prior years wouldn’t be able to purchase these items on their fast food wages. And you don’t have to mail in anymore. There is a gun shop on every corner. Someone mentioned John Oliver upthread, he recently did a piece on Subway, and how prevalent they are. Well, for every Subway restaurant, there are two gun shops, I see varying figures, but between 54,000 and 65,000. Many things have changed, but access to guns has never been easier and cheaper, and that’s the one thing that people like you refuse to even consider. But, for you, I imagine gun sales are up, as they usually are after the are advertised so effectively. Other kid’s lives are a cheap price for you to pay for your profit. Enjoy your blood money. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/230 "2022-06-08T14:08:15Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Based on his posts in other threads, and considering that these were expensive rifles that cost nearly 2k each (not counting the ammo bought), it would seem that **pkbites** ’ reaction would be “sweet, I made 4 grand!” Depends. I’ve heard various reports that they were financed, in which case, the dealer may actually be out money. If so, I’m sure the dealer is more distraught over that than over the dead kids. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/231 "2022-06-08T14:32:54Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Have there been any reports that they did anything illegal? Nice evasion. No, wait. It’s a lame pathetic attempt at an evasion. Why did _you_ sell two AR-types and a metric shit-ton of ammo with many extra magazines (and I don’t mean _Guns and Ammo_ or _Field and Stream_) to an 18 year old? “Legal” isn’t the question. Smart is. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/232 "2022-06-08T14:36:32Z")
“Just filling orders” (for guns and ammunition) is an incredibly lame excuse. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/233 "2022-06-08T14:43:00Z")
Is there a site somewhere that has documented the various reactions of gun sellers after they learn one of their customers turned out to be a mass shooter? I found one. (_NY Post_, but news) [NY gun shop owner who sold firearm to Payton Gendron 'feels terrible'](https://nypost.com/2022/05/15/ny-gun-shop-owner-who-sold-firearm-to-payton-gendron-feels-terrible/) > The shop’s background check on Gendron had not turned up any red flags, Donald said. > > “He didn’t stand out,” he said of the teen. “Because if he did, I would’ve never sold him the gun. > > “I don’t understand why an 18-year-old would even do this,” Donald said. “I know I didn’t do anything wrong, but I feel terrible about it.” ~Max ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/234 "2022-06-08T15:11:48Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > “I don’t understand why an 18-year-old would even do this,” Donald said. “I know I didn’t do anything wrong, but I feel terrible about it.” He said, between ringing up purchases. “Sorry, we’ve been so busy since that last advertising campaign, I mean, tragedy.” Also, from the article, “He didn’t stand out.” > [@](#): > > Donald said he rarely sells the type of assault rifle sought by Gendron and instead specializes in vintage pistols. > > Gendron reportedly modified the firearm to make it more lethal. Providing a rarely sold gun, with modifications to make it more lethal… didn’t stand out. Then nothing would. I bet I could go into that gun shop, ask for the same gun, with the same modifications, even invoking the name of the shooter, “You know, like you sold to…” and he’d happily ring me up, then tell the news that he feels terrible when I use that gun to shoot up a different supermarket. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/235 "2022-06-08T15:16:05Z")
TLDR thread. I cannot support the pitting of this mother, unless we know that she should have known. There are many good, decent people who raise their kids right, and yet the kid goes awry anyway. ETA — “awry” doesn’t usually mean mass shooter, granted. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/236 "2022-06-08T15:21:43Z")
And there are people who do lots of things wrong with their kids, and they still don’t grow up to be mass murderers. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/237 "2022-06-08T15:44:33Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Donald said he rarely sells the type of assault rifle sought by Gendron and instead specializes in vintage pistols. > > > > > Gendron reportedly modified the firearm to make it more lethal. > > Providing a rarely sold gun, with modifications to make it more lethal… didn’t stand out. Here I am again somehow defending a gun dealer, but it appears that the shooter modified the weapon after the purchase. The dealer didn’t know about it until the ATF contacted him. Sadly, I think it’s entirely plausible that an 18-year-old buying an assault rifle wouldn’t stand out to the dealer. They’re legal, he stocks them, they sell. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/238 "2022-06-08T16:01:04Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > He said, between ringing up purchases. “Sorry, we’ve been so busy since that last advertising campaign, I mean, tragedy.” I mean, it is easy to think of gun shops and manufacturers as heartless monsters. Some of them surely are, and often enough they leave themselves open to such ridicule. The people who manufactured the rifle used in Uvalde had this on their social media shortly _before_ the shooting. [Maker of rifle used by Texas gunman draws fury for ‘incendiary’ ads](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/maker-gun-used-uvalde-shooting-long-known-incendiary-ads-rcna30631) [![](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-560w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2022-05/220526-daniel-defense-ad-mn-1035-df74fd.jpg) ](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-560w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2022-05/220526-daniel-defense-ad-mn-1035-df74fd.jpg) ~Max ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/239 "2022-06-08T16:01:08Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Here I am again somehow defending a gun dealer, but it appears that the shooter modified the weapon after the purchase. Nevermind, I mixed up the names in the article, and thought that it meant that the dealer had made the mods. Which is something that a dealer _will_ do for a customer, as long as it is still legal. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/240 "2022-06-08T16:17:59Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I mean, it is easy to think of gun shops and manufacturers as heartless monsters. As your article says, > [@](#): > > “Terms like ‘common sense’ come from people whose only goal is to take our guns away,” Daniel said. Which is a self serving lie. > [@](#): > > “The mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in 2012 drove a lot of sales,” Daniel said in a [2017 interview with Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestreptalks/2017/02/06/a-gun-maker-reveals-what-trumps-presidency-means-for-his-business/?sh=1bc55fc016a9). “That was a horrible event and we don’t use those kinds of terrible things to drive sales, but when people see politicians start talking about gun control, they have this fear and they go out and buy guns.” “Yes, it was a horrible event”, he says, as he makes his way to the bank. If he felt so horrible, did he donate his increased profits to the victims of the latest shooting to which he benefited? Of did he buy himself a new F-150? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/241 "2022-06-08T16:20:36Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > trying to solve why in the last 20 years these incidents have been increasing. It’s amusing how people who say that it’s literally impossible to collect pieces of iron for disposal, or change the laws of our country, think that we can “solve” people with mental illnesses, rage and disconnection with society. All we have to do is crawl into millions of skulls to reprogram them so that these young people aren’t angry anymore. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691.md?page=13)