# I Pit the Mother of the Texas school shooter **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 5, 2022, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691 "2022-06-05T08:40:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/121 "2022-06-07T02:44:57Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Focusing on the tool will only force the psycho to change tools. You know, if a man possessed by those demons decides to use a kitchen cleaver, he might kill one or two people before someone takes him down. There’s no way he kills as many as a gun murderer can. The right tool helps do the job well. And the right tool for mass murder is an automatic or semiautomatic gun. Restricting them would save lives, even if people don’t change one iota. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/122 "2022-06-07T02:48:51Z")
Is this when we post videos of professional gunslingers doing mag changes in the blink of an eye . . . and not blooper videos of amateurs, under the most minor pressure, fumbling them? ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/123 "2022-06-07T02:54:13Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > > > where is this $10,000 figure coming from? > > This is surprisingly difficult to pin down. I was using a number from upthread, but I’ve done some research. The rifles (per this [ABC story](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/live-updates-superintendent-heart-broken-today-84951141)) cost $2000 each, plus scope adds $725 each, plus 1600 rounds of ammo (per [this story](https://www.kxan.com/investigations/uvalde-shooter-had-1600-rounds-few-laws-in-texas-limit-bullet-purchases/)). I’m not sure of the ammunition costs, so $8000, which is the earlier estimate that I had seen, may be more accurate. Either way, it seems like a lot for most teenagers to have access to. I think the $10K figure is rather inflated. This [Link](https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/us/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-salvador-ramos/index.html) has a photo of AR-15 rifles reported to have been posted to an Instagram account associated to the shooter prior to the shooting. This [other link](https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/202974) is an ad from an on-line retailer of what seems to be one of the two rifles shown in the CNN story. The price shown in the ad is $1260. The ammo seems to be around 0.60/round in bulk, so the 1600 rounds would be around another $1000. Throw in the magazines for another $1000 or so and we are below $5,000, not $10,000. The $5K figures is probably closer to the truth since the media loves to inflate the cost. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/124 "2022-06-07T02:56:08Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Is this when we post videos of professional gunslingers doing mag changes in the blink of an eye . . . and not blooper videos of amateurs, under the most minor pressure, fumbling them? Sure, but a lot of those nut jobs seem to have been well planned in what they are going to do. Solidifying their evil intents. Even if they only have a couple of revolvers on them they could gun down 6 people with each before needing to reload. That’s no answer either. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/125 "2022-06-07T03:01:19Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Is this when we post videos of professional gunslingers doing mag changes in the blink of an eye . . . and not blooper videos of amateurs, under the most minor pressure, fumbling them? You’re thinking too small. I’m waiting patiently for \*pkbites to produce a video of someone who has sawed off their bolt action rifle to a carbine, fitted a 3D-printed handle to it, and can unload 500 rounds a minute with the aid of a co2 canister, thus proving once and for all that if we ban AR-15s, we’ll have to ban bolt action hunting rifles too. Which, you know what? Fuck it, I’d be fine with that too. \*Of course when he does, someone please be sure to @ me so I know to unignore that particular post of his. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/126 "2022-06-07T03:05:17Z")
I’m not sure why you think it’s relevant to debate the value of the weapons…but the shooter had 2 different ARs, a handgun, 1600 rounds and 60 mags. So your math omits the cost of 2 guns which gets you to at least $7000 based on your lowball estimates. Does it matter a lick? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/127 "2022-06-07T03:07:17Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Sure, but a lot of those nut jobs seem to have been well planned in what they are going to do. Solidifying their evil intents. Even if they only have a couple of revolvers on them they could gun down 6 people with each before needing to reload. That’s no answer either. Why yes, yes they do seem to plan well. Surely it’s just a coincidence that these type of folks choose ARs and high capacity magazines and not wheel guns. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/128 "2022-06-07T03:16:59Z")
It’s unclear to me what the great loss would be if all rifles were required to be bolt-action. I guess target shooters and hunters may get some blisters or some such. Pussies. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/129 "2022-06-07T03:26:12Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I’m not sure why you think it’s relevant to debate the value of the weapons…but the shooter had 2 different ARs, a handgun, 1600 rounds and 60 mags. So your math omits the cost of 2 guns which gets you to at least $7000 based on your lowball estimates. Does it matter a lick? No, it’s not in and of itself, but uncovering every fact and detail of this event could matter a lick. It has to be done whether or not the value of the guns mattered. And there is some possibility it did. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/130 "2022-06-07T03:29:31Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > And these types of weapons HAVE been around for more than a century. 1940 to be nit-picky. Hitler was the one who named them assault rifles , he was a really big fan. The weapons were designed to kill lots of people quickly and were limited to military use for quite a while. But don’t let facts get in the way of your kneejerk reactions, it’s not like anyone notices or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/131 "2022-06-07T03:29:59Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > And there is some possibility it did. Oh please, enlighten me on how the cost of the guns changes anything at all about this tragedy? Perhaps gun sellers can just run a sale to skirt some regulation? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/132 "2022-06-07T03:31:39Z")
> [@JaneDoe42](#): > > But don’t let facts get in the way of your kneejerk reactions, it’s not like anyone notices or anything. Point of fact, there’s nothing kneejerk about this. @pkbites has been consistent about his despicable opinions where killing kids are concerned. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/133 "2022-06-07T03:32:58Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Even if they only have a couple of revolvers on them they could gun down 6 people with each before needing to reload. That’s no answer either Alright then… so we should ban the revolvers too? No? Then shut the fuck up and support the rest of sane America in banning the mass-killing machines so you can keep your .22. Otherwise it’s all going to have to go. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/134 "2022-06-07T03:34:10Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > It’s unclear to me what the great loss would be if all rifles were required to be bolt-action. I guess target shooters and hunters may get some blisters or some such. Pussies. You can easily find out that a bolt action rifle can be fired almost as fast as a semi-automatic rifle. The psycho in Uvalde would have needed to practice to be able to do that. It does look like some of these sick pieces of shit spent significant time in preparation though. It’s not like it really matters though. Do you know how many similar guns are in the hands of people now who will not follow any regulation of the guns they already possess. Even if we come to take their guns we’ll find out thousands of them have been lost or stolen, yet they will be readily available on the black market. This particular black market can be found at any gun show already. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/135 "2022-06-07T03:35:41Z")
Same old bullshit excuses. All in service of the status quo…dead kids. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/136 "2022-06-07T03:36:56Z")
Knowing who is telling the truth about the cost of these guns is important. It has been reported that he told his sister about this and she refused to help him. Possibly she told others or he did. What he told them about the money and any participation by those people could be very important. Getting to the truth of the matter is very important for all the residents of that town. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/137 "2022-06-07T03:36:59Z")
We are in the Pit. Do NOT drag me into any of your disputes or disagreements. You are NOT my friend and I will NOT back you up no matter how much I agree with you. This is YOUR fault, you chose to attack a friend and turned her into an enemy. If this is how you treat people on your side, I’ll bet you are really convincing when debating with an enemy. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/138 "2022-06-07T03:38:06Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > You can easily find out that a bolt action rifle can be fired almost as fast as a semi-automatic rifle. {…} Damn, I shoulda posted what I was thinking about posting about bolt actions and “mad minutes”… ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/139 "2022-06-07T03:40:00Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Same old bullshit excuses. All in service of the status quo…dead kids. What the hell are you talking about? I’m telling you why we need to take real steps that will produce results instead of feeding the stupid political battle. At the moment the fucking Republican party has announced they are putting the kibosh on raising the minimum age required to buy assault weapons, about the least that could be done towards getting rid of this problem. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691/140 "2022-06-07T03:43:25Z")
Maybe you should stick to GD then. I’m pretty much firing on anyone who defends these fucking gun sellers, gun defenders and excuse makers. I do not give a fuck any more. Us lefties have been measured in our critiques of the right for so long and it’s doing no fucking good. You give comfort to anyone in favor of child killing, you’re part of the problem. Deal with it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-mother-of-the-texas-school-shooter/965691.md?page=8)