# I pit the people giving the widow crap for NOT taking call from President Biden **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 16, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321 "2024-07-16T13:41:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dorvann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dorvann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dorvann)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/1 "2024-07-16T13:41:01Z")
I like to pit the people giving crap to the widow of the man who was killed during the assassination attempt on Donald Trump. Apparently President Biden tried calling her to offer condolences and she refused to talk to him saying her husband was a lifelong Republican and would NOT want her talking to Biden, Some people on Twitter and Reddit took offense to this and use it as a an example to show how **extreme** Trump supporters. However IMHO people should have a right to grieve privately and NOT be obligated to talk with politicians and/or the media. If it was me I would NOT have taking a call from Biden(Or Trump) for that matter. And have noticed people online have criticized politicians for NOT going to memorial services/funerals for victims of mass shootings and other tragedies. Have people stopped to think maybe the victims’ families do NOT want politicians there. If it was me or my family I would NOT want any politicians or media at my or my family’s funeral if I(or they) were to die in a mass shooting, ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/2 "2024-07-16T13:57:27Z")
Fine; pit me, then. But at least Biden had the decency to attempt to call. Trump couldn’t be arsed. FUCK that guy. ---
**Author:** ![dorvann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dorvann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dorvann)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/3 "2024-07-16T14:07:01Z")
For the record I am NOT a Trump supporter so anyone that says “Fuck Trump” is fine by me. If Trump really wanted to show sympathy he would offer to pay for the guy’s funeral out of his **OWN** pocket. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/4 "2024-07-16T14:11:56Z")
Honestly, you could stop after the first 8 words of your title: “I pit the people giving the widow crap”. If you are insulting a person who just lost their spouse to an assassin for a private decision, you are doing something wrong. Stop it. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/5 "2024-07-16T14:11:56Z")
I haven’t seen or heard such comments, but no doubt someone, somewhere is saying the widow should accept a call from The President. Lots of people are in the ‘hot takes’ bizness, and always need a new one. Shrug. But sure, I’ll agree that no one is obliged to take such a call. And that there’s some political grandstanding involved. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/6 "2024-07-16T14:13:25Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > I haven’t seen or heard such comments, but no doubt someone, somewhere is saying the widow should accept a call from The President. All the social media comments I’ve seen mention her refusal of President Biden’s phone call in the context of Trump not bothering to call. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/7 "2024-07-16T14:16:49Z")
I think it was classy of Biden to try to call and it’s fine if she didn’t want to talk to him. She’s not obligated. And when she says her husband wouldn’t have wanted her to talk to him, I’m sure she’s right. The only one who comes out looking shitty is Trump but what else is new. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/8 "2024-07-16T14:18:56Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The only one who comes out looking shitty is Trump but what else is new. - He’s just showing respect for a widow’s grief. _extreme_ /s. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/9 "2024-07-16T14:20:12Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > And when she says her husband wouldn’t have wanted her to talk to him, I’m sure she’s right. If I were killed at a Biden rally, I’m sure my wife would not want to talk to Trump. (not that he’d ever consider calling her). ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/10 "2024-07-16T14:21:51Z")
Biden wasn’t calling as the political opponent of the target but instead as the sitting president. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/11 "2024-07-16T14:23:41Z")
Yeah, l’ve seen that (“Trump hasn’t called), but haven’t encountered the ‘she should accept the call from the Prez’. Trump not calling is on-brand. He likes culties who don’t get killed. And Biden calling is understandable, but not a social necessity — there’s some politicking involved. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/12 "2024-07-16T14:25:03Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Biden wasn’t calling as the political opponent of the target but instead as the sitting president. Agree it’s different. I was imagining Trump as a sitting president at the time (ugh). During the 2020 election for example. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/13 "2024-07-16T14:26:10Z")
> [@dorvann](#): > > Apparently President Biden tried calling her to offer condolences and she refused to talk to him saying her husband was a lifelong Republican and would NOT want her talking to Biden, > > Some people on Twitter and Reddit took offense to this and use it as a an example to show how **extreme** Trump supporters. I agree with this. Grief is a private and sometimes chaotic process. Nobody is obligated to react in what you consider to be an “acceptable” way. The widow is just trying to remember her husband in the best way she knows how. As it happens, as evidenced by the victim’s Facebook page, he was a vicious MAGA type who enjoyed violent anti-liberal memes. He deserves no consideration from you or me, but he was a husband to someone, and his wife should be allowed to grieve. Moreoever she took care not to blame Biden or Democrats or raise the temperature. She simply declined to talk to the President. I might do the same in her shoes, I don’t really need a politician injecting themselves into my grief. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/14 "2024-07-16T14:30:44Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > > > Biden wasn’t calling as the political opponent of the target but instead as the sitting president. > > Agree it’s different. I was imagining Trump as a sitting president at the time (ugh). During the 2020 election for example. You’re right; he wouldn’t have made that call. Another thing; the Sandy Hook school shootings occurred during the Obama presidency and I’ve read about the visit he made to Connecticut to meet the families of the murdered children. That’s gotta be an incredibly difficult thing to do and it’s also something I can’t imagine Trump doing. In short, I don’t think he has normal levels of empathy. Biden clearly loves his son (and loved his other children) and grandchildren but Trump doesn’t seem to express paternal love in the same way. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/15 "2024-07-16T14:36:58Z")
Wow. Hot take. Ok a very very few people are dicks. Fuck them. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/16 "2024-07-16T14:50:15Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > If you are insulting a person who just lost their spouse to an assassin for a private decision, you are doing something wrong. Stop it. I agree she should be left alone to grieve if she wishes and doesn’t have to talk to the president if she doesn’t want to. But somebody made this a non-private decision. How did that happen? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/17 "2024-07-16T17:19:55Z")
Probably because a reporter asked and she answered. I agree, though, that very few people are saying she was wrong to refuse the call from the president for any reason whatsoever, or no reason at all. They generally bring it up in the context of pointing out that Biden tried to call, Trump did not, and _despite this, the widow still apparently is going to vote for Trump_. (Though I admit this feels a little weaksauce compared to other reasons to not vote for him.) ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/18 "2024-07-16T18:02:02Z")
I don’t think it’s wrong, but I also do feel like, the freakin president is calling you personally, the least you can do is take his call. Grief is hard though, but it doesn’t sound like she refused out of grief but out of pride. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/19 "2024-07-16T18:29:18Z")
Exactly; he is making the call in his official capacity, not as the Democratic candidate. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/20 "2024-07-16T18:33:21Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Honestly, you could stop after the first 8 words of your title: “I pit the people giving the widow crap”. > > If you are insulting a person who just lost their spouse to an assassin for a private decision, you are doing something wrong. Stop it. This. There is nothing more to discuss. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321.md?page=2)