# I pit the people giving the widow crap for NOT taking call from President Biden **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 16, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321 "2024-07-16T13:41:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/41 "2024-07-16T20:38:04Z")
Ok. I wouldn’t do it with my child with me. My children are adults, too. But I would never, on purpose, drive them to a place where there might be trouble. A rally, a street protest, maybe even a concert. Life is too scary as it is with places we _have_ to go. I’m not gonna ask for more trouble. If I have a choice. My adult children might choose to do it on their own but I won’t drive them there. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/42 "2024-07-16T20:50:16Z")
One of Biden’s people just killed her husband and father of her kids. And anyone shooting at Biden’s political opponent is by default, one of Biden’s supporters. An understandable reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/43 "2024-07-16T21:05:36Z")
I heard a lot of comments about," Regarding concern for the children, at this rally. I kept wondering why anyone would take children to a trump rally? At best it’s going to be boring for kids, and profane, with a lot of violent, if not, “dirty talk.” At worst (before Saturday) it could erupt into actual violence. It is no place for kids of course I’m no magat. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/44 "2024-07-16T21:08:56Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > One of Biden’s people just killed her husband and father of her kids. I assume you were channeling what she might be thinking, and not stating this as a fact. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/45 "2024-07-16T21:12:27Z")
Sure, I’m happy to pit anyone who hassles a new widow for grieving wrong, or for not taking phone calls from anyone she doesn’t want to while she is grieving. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/46 "2024-07-16T21:27:12Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Perhaps Biden was being a diplomat and didn’t think any good would come from talking about the actual contents during a time of great turmoil, or perhaps an aide wrote it because Trump didn’t see any profit in doing so. Who knows? From what I’ve heard, Trump can actually be gracious if he feels that it’s to his benefit. It’s a skill he has used for most of his life and it’s one of the reasons he has been successful, at least in terms of marketing and in making himself famous (in business he seems to be a total failure). When he’s being gracious, of course he’s full of crap. And he does have his crude fake “tough guy” persona that he seems to take on most of the time, especially since his 2016 campaign, because it resonates with the MAGA deplorables. But he can be really charming, that’s a tool in his conman bag. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/47 "2024-07-16T22:08:41Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I don’t think it’s wrong, but I also do feel like, the freakin president is calling you personally, the least you can do is take his call. Yes, she has the right to decline the call. But this somewhat represents the total abandonment of simple Civil Discourse. You can dislike the man, but you can respect the Office. Or at least you could have until someone dragged that Office thru the Septic Tank recently. Just more Enshitifaction of society that can be traced right back to 45-34. > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > It’s sad, I’m sorry, they swam with the sharks and got bit. Should have gone with the Electrocution Option. ---
**Author:** ![dorvann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dorvann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dorvann)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/48 "2024-07-16T22:26:03Z")
I respect the Office of the President of the United States of America BUT I still do NOT see how that obligates me to talk to him in any capacity. The United States is a democratic republic NOT an absolute monarchy where the king can order his people to obey his command. As far I am concerned in a democratic republic and civilized society the democratically elected leaders are subservient to the people and should treat them respectfully by leaving them alone. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/49 "2024-07-16T23:30:33Z")
> [@dorvann](#): > > I respect the Office of the President of the United States of America BUT I still do NOT see how that obligates me to talk to him in any capacity. You are correct that you absolutely do not have such an obligation. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/50 "2024-07-17T00:01:44Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > But he can be really charming, that’s a tool in his conman bag. Be insincerely charming? Sure youbetcha. _Write_ something charming, insincerely or not? I would have to see an example or two. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/51 "2024-07-17T00:04:30Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Yes, she has the right to decline the call. But this somewhat represents the total abandonment of simple Civil Discourse. You can dislike the man, but you can respect the Office Once again, if she has been convinced that the office was stolen and that Trump was the “real” President, in her eyes she _is_ honoring the office by denying the usurper. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/52 "2024-07-17T00:08:00Z")
JFC. It’s not that difficult. She literally said why she didn’t want to take the call. She isn’t political at all and her late husband hated him. No need for armchair psychology. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/53 "2024-07-17T00:18:01Z")
We don’t know her Maga-hate level or thoughts. She clearly was as invested as the rest of the others at the rally. She didn’t have to go. I’m sure she’s very aggrieved, upset, distressed about losing her husband. But somehow she was able to talk to the press. Her daughter was able to make a public (in my opinion kinda nasty) post about her Dad. (It was shown on CNN) Sure, don’t wanna talk to Biden? Don’t. But don’t go public and politicize it. Bad form. I bet Trump has called her. It’ll come out. Probably the transcript. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/54 "2024-07-17T00:18:23Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > _Write_ something charming, insincerely or not? I would have to see an example or two. I’d say it’s likely he dictated to someone that made it read better than something a 6th grader might write. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/55 "2024-07-17T00:19:20Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I bet Trump has called her. Quick! Get an Insulin shot! You are slipping! ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/56 "2024-07-17T00:20:06Z")
> [@dorvann](#): > > I respect the Office of the President of the United States of America BUT I still do NOT see how that obligates me to talk to him in any capacity. The United States is a democratic republic NOT an absolute monarchy where the king can order his people to obey his command. Where did anyone suggest she was obligated to talk to Biden, or that he ordered her to do so? We’re talking about what’s polite. And when someone you know is injured or killed in a public way (like a mass shooting), people may want to talk to you, including to offer condolences. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/57 "2024-07-17T00:45:42Z")
That her hatred (or her husband’s hatred) toward a mainstream political party is so virulent that she would not accept a condolence call from the president of the United States says a lot. Certainly she had no obligation to take the call but it is peevish. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/58 "2024-07-17T01:01:41Z")
I grant someone the right to be peevish a day or so after her husband is murdered while guarding his family from a madman’s bullets using his own body. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/59 "2024-07-17T01:05:29Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > That her hatred (or her husband’s hatred) toward a mainstream political party is so virulent that she would not accept a condolence call from the president of the United States says a lot. To paraphrase Lindsey Graham, if you don’t like Joe Biden, there’s something wrong with you. He’s as good a man as God had ever created. /Paraphrase ended But if she doesn’t want to talk to the president, I’m not offended at all. She’s been through a lot. I’m sure it was hard to lose her husband, no matter how much he was a delusional crank. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321/60 "2024-07-17T01:05:48Z")
Sure. She has the right. But she went to the press about it. There’s the rub. I’m really surprised she’s not speaking at the Repub. Convention. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-giving-the-widow-crap-for-not-taking-call-from-president-biden/1004321.md?page=4)