# I pit the people of the United States of America. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 2, 2017, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285 "2017-12-02T00:40:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/41 "2017-12-02T18:27:56Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I’d be curious to know how many outraged people on this message board made calls to the senators who were fence riders who might vote against this piece of shit tax bill. Anyone? My wife and I called eight senators and left messages asking them to vote ‘no’ and giving reasons why. Anybody else? (post shortened) You have got to be a Democrat. Oh well, it’s nice that you took the time to call all of those Senators, but you are only entitled to two. Same as everyone else. Did you remember to include the Senators from your own state? They are the only ones who are obligated to listen to you. The rest have their own constituents to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/42 "2017-12-02T18:34:13Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > You have got to be a Democrat. Oh well, it’s nice that you took the time to call all of those Senators, but you are only entitled to two. Same as everyone else. Did you remember to include the Senators from your own state? They are the only ones who are obligated to listen to you. The rest have their own constituents to worry about. Fucking wanker. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/43 "2017-12-02T19:29:10Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Post #32 is like some kind of bad acid trip. That’s some mighty fine kind bud in northeast Alberta! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/44 "2017-12-02T20:15:07Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > You have got to be a Democrat. Oh well, it’s nice that you took the time to call all of those Senators, but you are only entitled to two. Same as everyone else. Did you remember to include the Senators from your own state? They are the only ones who are obligated to listen to you. The rest have their own constituents to worry about. Hahaha. When did poster **doorhinge** become the police of which Senators other Americans are allowed to call? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/45 "2017-12-02T22:18:56Z")
A majority of the people voted for the opposition candidate. So, how does that make it the fault of the people of the United States? I’d go with it being the system and the people in certain states instead. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/46 "2017-12-02T22:28:23Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > … Merkley and Wyden are just the twin evil spokesmen of the Salem/Sacramento axis of EVIL … You left out Olympia, you drooling moron. The Axis Powers of the Pacific Coast will destroy your idiot kind in the end. Be afraid. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/47 "2017-12-02T23:14:19Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > You have got to be a Democrat. > [@Chefguy](#): > > Fucking wanker. Now don’t be like that. I’m assuming doorhinge is guessing on your probable political affiliation based on the fact that you care about the well-being of the country, understand the issues, and sought to improve the situation in a rational manner. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/48 "2017-12-02T23:37:27Z")
It doesn’t matter that Trump is president instead of Hillary. We’d be just as fucked either way. If Hillary was prez, we’d see the same thing from the GOP that we saw for 8 years under Obama. No idea how to govern, just say no to everything. Do you really think if Hillary had been elected we’d have a liberal on the SCOTUS now as Scalia’s replacement? Hell no, they’d just find some other reason to block it, along with all the other judicial appointments, and we’d probably still be having monthly hearings on Benghazi and her emails. The only consolation (and it’s not much) is that the GOP is now completely in charge of driving this car off the cliff. But you know what? It doesn’t matter to voters. They’re like the kids screaming in the back seat of the car in that Hyundai commercial where the dad is so distracted he just about plows into the back of a truck, if it wasn’t for his trusty collision detection system. Are the kids at all freaked out about almost losing their lives in a fatal collision? No, they think it was _cool!_ “Do it again, dad!” Stupid voters. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/49 "2017-12-02T23:46:35Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > It doesn’t matter that Trump is president instead of Hillary. We’d be just as fucked either way. If Hillary was prez, we’d see the same thing from the GOP that we saw for 8 years under Obama. No idea how to govern, just say no to everything. Do you really think if Hillary had been elected we’d have a liberal on the SCOTUS now as Scalia’s replacement? Hell no, they’d just find some other reason to block it, along with all the other judicial appointments, and we’d probably still be having monthly hearings on Benghazi and her emails. The only consolation (and it’s not much) is that the GOP is now completely in charge of driving this car off the cliff. But you know what? It doesn’t matter to voters. They’re like the kids screaming in the back seat of the car in that Hyundai commercial where the dad is so distracted he just about plows into the back of a truck, if it wasn’t for his trusty collision detection system. Are the kids at all freaked out about almost losing their lives in a fatal collision? No, they think it was _cool!_ “Do it again, dad!” Stupid voters. Even the status quo would be preferable to this. This past year has been such a disaster that I don’t think I’ll ever vote for a Republican again for any reason. Not a single principle I have in common with any Republican is worth any of this. I’m done with them. I’ve been done with them for a long time, but I always thought there would be a chance that they would start making sense and become decent human beings. Not any more. If they do anything right it is completely by accident. That said, Democrats, if you run another Goddamn Clinton you won’t have my vote, either. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/50 "2017-12-03T00:17:34Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Even the status quo would be preferable to this. > > This past year has been such a disaster that I don’t think I’ll ever vote for a Republican again for any reason. Not a single principle I have in common with any Republican is worth any of this. I’m done with them. I’ve been done with them for a long time, but I always thought there would be a chance that they would start making sense and become decent human beings. Not any more. If they do anything right it is completely by accident. > > That said, Democrats, if you run another Goddamn Clinton you won’t have my vote, either. I consider myself a moderate. Left leaning because I do support social programs. And progress. I guess that makes me a dirty progressive. No big fan of Hillary, but at least she wouldn’t have deliberately driven the bus off the cliff. No. No that’s not quite the right representation of Trump. He’s just an idiot (downgraded from moron) that has absolutely no idea how to drive. And he’s in ‘charge’. There is a bus full of republican congress critters that could drag him out of the drivers seat but they care more about themselves than the offices they hold. Fuck the bunch of craven bastards. This is such a mess, I’ll probably never vote republican just out of principle. I would have voted for Kasich. ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/51 "2017-12-03T01:15:19Z")
I’ll see your gutting all agencies that offer any kind of protections to the American people, and I raise you actively assisting Saudi Arabia in their Yemeni genocide by selling them illegal cluster-bombs to carpet bomb the place, and endorsing their blockade which is starving millions of people, on purpose. Also, we’re seriously considering war with Iran and North Korea, neither of which have attacked us, and either of which could involve nuclear fallout. We’ve so seriously lost our moral compass that while the \*last pre-emptive war resulting in a million civilian deaths, Iraq, resulted in the largest protest in history, the next one is seriously discussed in the media in terms of “how can we limit the number of Koreans who we kill?” and the activist movements have made hardly a peep about it. When the famine and cholera deaths in Yemen spike from thousands into hundreds of thousands and then into millions, as seems pretty inevitable, we lose the right to ever use the term “human rights record” when criticizing another country. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/52 "2017-12-03T01:22:42Z")
This critter needs to be properly folded into this pitting: > [@How can the Dems better appeal to suckers, chumps, marks and rubes?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-the-dems-better-appeal-to-suckers-chumps-marks-and-rubes/803395/14): > > I voted for Trump hoping to get a conservative Supreme Court Justice, a repeal of ObamaCare, a tax cut, less government regulation, an undoing / shrinking if Utah’s oversized national monuments, and fewer illegal immigrants. I’m getting most of that, or at least progress on pretty much all of those points. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/53 "2017-12-03T01:38:20Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I’d be curious to know how many outraged people on this message board made calls to the senators who were fence riders who might vote against this piece of shit tax bill. Anyone? My wife and I called eight senators and left messages asking them to vote ‘no’ and giving reasons why. Anybody else? OP? If you don’t make your voices heard, then just bend over and enjoy the ass-fucking. I have a problem with hearing on the phone, so I send them free faxes with [https://faxzero.com/](https://faxzero.com/) ; if you click on the links for congressperson, senator or governor it takes you to a page where you can choose the person and the fax will go to them. This also allows me to organize what I want to say. Some staffer has to go through and respond to these, I think; I usually get an answer eventually. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/54 "2017-12-03T01:41:48Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > This critter needs to be properly folded into this pitting: I think he’s even worse than most Trump voters, because he’s willing to (knowingly, for the most part) trade away incredible damage to our international standing, a greatly increased chance of catastrophic war and death (but not for himself, of course), much greater risk of harm to minorities (again, not himself, of course) and aid to white supremacists, further damage to our culture and society in terms of trying to make progress against sexual assault and mistreatment of women, and much more awful stuff, in order to gain these relatively short-term conservative priorities. And that’s just if I assume he’s being mostly honest, as opposed to mostly trolling (and I strongly suspect it’s a mix). ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/55 "2017-12-03T02:04:19Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > This critter needs to be properly folded into this pitting: But why? The court I can understand, but the rest is just watching stuff burn. Holding those positions makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/56 "2017-12-03T02:17:32Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > But why? The court I can understand, but the rest is just watching stuff burn. Holding those positions makes no sense. Apparently, to him they do. He is one of those “_Yaay III%, Lavoy Finicum was **murdered** , Free the Bundies_” quality fuckwits. He seems somewhat rational and civil in many of his postings, but he is nothing more than a short-sighted SFB who cannot see further than the end of his next paycheck. And, oh, _government **bad**!_ He needs to share a straitjacket with the Shitgibbon. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/57 "2017-12-03T16:10:42Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Off-topic…holy mackerel, watchwolf and wolfpup are different Dopers! 🙂 Shocking I know … even I get those two confused they think so much alike … > [@Gatopescado](#): > > Post #32 is like some kind of bad acid trip. I take it you never dropped _good_ acid … [giggle] … > [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > You have got to be a Democrat. Oh well, it’s nice that you took the time to call all of those Senators, but you are only entitled to two. Same as everyone else. Did you remember to include the Senators from your own state? They are the only ones who are obligated to listen to you. The rest have their own constituents to worry about. This was my first reaction, but then I checked the names **Chefguy** posted … yeah, someone did their homework and those were well placed phone calls … I’m definitely interested in who **Chefguy** will be calling now that the bill is in conference committee … I doubt I’ll call … it would piss me off if MY congressman was listening to out-of-staters tell him how to vote … Are we forgetting the poor in all this … renters don’t pay mortgage interest so they won’t use the Schedule A, they use the standard deduction which doubles in this new tax plan … exemptions would be eliminated so this only helps smaller families … impoverished one person households will make out very well under this plan … All moot anyway … Republicans control the government so nothing will get done … grab a soda, sit back and enjoy the show … think of it as a SNL skit … ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/58 "2017-12-03T16:39:42Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Do Senators from states other than your own even consider your opinion? Serious question. According to this, they do not. [www.indivisible.org/guide/your-member-of-congress/](http://www.indivisible.org/guide/your-member-of-congress/) ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/59 "2017-12-03T17:47:20Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > S > > I doubt I’ll call … it would piss me off if MY congressman was listening to out-of-staters tell him how to vote … Do facts ever penetrate the demented fog you call a brain? Do you not understand that how your personal senator votes affects everyone in the country and not just your neighbors? Yes, he protects state interests, but is part of a larger body that makes laws that affect all of us, and he gladly solicits and takes money from out-of-staters, so he damn well better listen to them. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/60 "2017-12-03T17:52:59Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Do facts ever penetrate the demented fog you call a brain? Do you not understand that how your personal senator votes affects everyone in the country and not just your neighbors? Yes, he protects state interests, but is part of a larger body that makes laws that affect all of us, and he gladly solicits and takes money from out-of-staters, so he damn well better listen to them. Or in the words of Tip O’Neill, “All politics is local.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285.md?page=4)