# I pit the people of the United States of America. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 2, 2017, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285 "2017-12-02T00:40:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/61 "2017-12-03T18:43:38Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Merkley and Wyden are just the twin evil spokesmen of the Salem/Sacramento axis of EVIL … Elaborate. > [@watchwolf49](#): > > …that’s just sad, so medieval, so backwards … a government that exists solely by permission of the English Parliament … Oh nos! Poor Canada emasculated by that oh-so-oppressive figurehead monarchy! If only they could follow the Pure Gold of Democratic Fundament over the border just south. > [@watchwolf49](#): > > kneel to your rightful overlords, suckers, we stand for our National Anthem because a free people kneels to _nothin’_ … Except possibly those who actually do kneel out of recognizing injustices to minorities, which tells me this isn’t your idea of a “free people”. And why capitalize national anthem? > [@watchwolf49](#): > > But Canadians are brave, that’s for sure … just look at how scarred up all your maple trees are … takes balls to knife attack a plant, must be hell chasing them down, eh? …have a sap-slurping good time for me will ya … Yikes! Hopefully you’ll soon recover from your vapours over a centuries-old practice that has not only sustained families and communities, but will continue to so do. > [@watchwolf49](#): > > North Dakota winters are catastrophically mild for Canada … I guess I’d think that too if I had to politely wait two weeks at every 4-way stop sign panicking that someone within a hundred miles has a gun … So you’re trying to equate a Canadian winter (which is apparently too harsh for your soft ass) to Canadians’ fear of firearms? :dubious: Yeah kinda wimpy of them to not droolingly embrace guns in their culture as much US citizens seem to do, for some reason, in theirs. And the Stanley Cup shit - WTF does ANY of this have to do w- oh…wait a sec…I take it **wolfpup** is Canadian, so you had to come up with _some_ kind of irrelevant weaksauce-as-fuck refutation, sorta like grasping at straws kinda thing. > [@watchwolf49](#): > > better an inept Federal Government than one that usurps our liberties. Perish the thought of the current US gov’t qualifying for both of those attributes. > [@watchwolf49](#): > > You young puppies don’t remember starvation in West Virginia and Kentucky … colored folk getting lynch in Alabama and Georgia … you’ve never heard of Jeffrey Miller, Allison Krause, William Schroeder, or Sandra Scheuer … better an inept Federal Government than one that usurps our liberties … you young-uns just don’t know how good you have it today, bunch of entitled snowflakes … you’re poor because you’re stupid is all … the stupid have always been poor in this country … your scared gods of liberalism are ripping you off blind … the rich have been kicking the middle class in thew nuts for over 400 years and the best the middle class can come up with is “Thank you, sir, may I please have another” generation after generation … just sad … > > _And you can be the first ones on your block > To have your boy come home in a box._ > > We ran out of boxes and had to start using bags … was that really better than today? … And before that we had the JP Morgan robber barons, the economic panics of 1873 and 1893, along with other shit, but you’re too young a buck to remember that. And yeah thank jeebus we no longer have open square lynchings - the progress we’ve made! Wow! I was starting to use ellipses to indicate truncated quotes, like I normally do, but here felt like taking a shower for doing so, and decided otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/62 "2017-12-04T04:02:09Z")
> [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#): > > Left-wing ideals have become such a laughingstock that to be called a “social justice warrior” is an insult. Only among assholes, though. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/63 "2017-12-04T05:03:55Z")
Careful OP, at this rate if there’s another economic implosion you might end up as a full blown comrade. If that happens you might regret believing corporate media lies about Occupy, castigating the left as “SJWs,” or how you heaped so much blame on the common people who spend most of their energy struggling to survive while being bombarded by plutocrat propaganda 24/7, but no biggie, lots of people go through a lib phase. > [@AI\_Proofreader](#): > > I raise you actively assisting Saudi Arabia in their Yemeni genocide by selling them illegal cluster-bombs to carpet bomb the place, and endorsing their blockade which is starving millions of people, on purpose. You’re right to be outraged by America’s role in Yemen, but Trump is continuing Obama’s policy. Citations Needed had a [good episode about it.](https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-17-whitewashing-americas-role-in-yemen) ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/64 "2017-12-04T06:17:11Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > You’re right to be outraged by America’s role in Yemen, but Trump is continuing Obama’s policy. Citations Needed had a [good episode about it.](https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-17-whitewashing-americas-role-in-yemen) Thanks for the link, hadn’t heard of Citations Needed before but the name sounds right up my alley, I’ll give that a listen at work tomorrow. Most of the Yemeni coverage I’ve seen so far has been from Redacted Tonight and Democracy Now, with a smattering on The Young Turks and people who affiliate with them. I’m well aware the Saudi support has been ongoing throughout the Obama and Trump administrations (and during the Bush years, for that matter) - which is why I didn’t mention Trump or a timeframe. The Yemeni crisis has been building since 2015 when Saudi began its military intervention, it’s really coming to a head now and if something isn’t done soon the thousands of deaths are going to swell into hundreds of thousands and then millions. I’m utterly appalled that they are able to intentionally starve a country and you’re far more likely to see media coverage about Saudi Arabia lifting the ban on women driving than you are about them trying to ethnically cleanse their neighbors. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/65 "2017-12-04T17:19:46Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Shitgibbon. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/66 "2017-12-04T17:45:59Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > … think of it as a SNL skit … You mean because it: - Gets increasingly painful to watch as time goes by? - Shows Donald Trump to be a bullying buffoon? - Makes one nostalgic for a time when Jimmy Carter was President? - Features a guy who sexually assaulted women? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/67 "2017-12-04T18:03:21Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > 😃 What is funny about the Orange-Faced Shitgibbon? The bastard is not a laughing matter. It is a national tradegy, that not even FEMA can handle. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/68 "2017-12-04T18:29:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Hahaha. When did poster **doorhinge** become the police of which Senators other Americans are allowed to call? Hahahaha. Where did I suggest/say that posters could not call U.S. Senators? What I am saying is that U.S. Senators are responsible to their own constituents. If you wish to annoy 100 U.S. Senators with your opinions, I say, “Go for it”. Everyone needs a hobby. Unfortunately for you, only your two U.S. Senators are obligated to listen to you. The other 98 have enough constituents of their own. Better luck next time. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/69 "2017-12-04T18:41:13Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Do facts ever penetrate the demented fog you call a brain? Do you not understand that how your personal senator votes affects everyone in the country and not just your neighbors? Yes, he protects state interests, but is part of a larger body that makes laws that affect all of us, and he gladly solicits and takes money from out-of-staters, so he damn well better listen to them. Oh my, you’re an angry elf, aren’t you. Is reality a second language for you? It doesn’t matter what YOU believe your Senator SHOULD do. If you have two Senators, their responsibilities are already well established. You probably have a zip code, a personal phone number, an IP address, a criminal record, etc. which established your identity. Senators are NOT going to take calls from 300+ million people. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/70 "2017-12-04T19:32:01Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. Where did I suggest/say that posters could not call U.S. Senators? What I am saying is that U.S. Senators are responsible to their own constituents. If you wish to annoy 100 U.S. Senators with your opinions, I say, “Go for it”. Everyone needs a hobby. Unfortunately for you, only your two U.S. Senators are obligated to listen to you. The other 98 have enough constituents of their own. Better luck next time. Hahahaha. Where in the Constitution is it defined who Senators are “obligated to listen to”? Whatever the answer, most posters will rightfully disregard the opinions of poster **doorhinge** on who they should or should not call, not surprisingly. Better luck next time. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/71 "2017-12-05T18:24:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Hahahaha. Where in the Constitution is it defined who Senators are “obligated to listen to”? Whatever the answer, most posters will rightfully disregard the opinions of poster **doorhinge** on who they should or should not call, not surprisingly. Better luck next time. Hahahaha. U.S. Senators are elected to represent the voters/constituents/people of their State. I still have not told people which Senators they can call. That’s your strawman. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/72 "2017-12-05T19:12:10Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. U.S. Senators are elected to represent the voters/constituents/people of their State. > > I still have not told people which Senators they can call. That’s your strawman. As long as senators can take money from people out of state, then there is nothing wrong with talking to a senator from out of your state. Do you not think that if I call up your state senator, and offer him a big juicy contribution to his super pac, that he will give me far more attention than he would if you, his actual constituent, wanted to address your feelings on governing with him? ---
**Author:** ![somepumpkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@somepumpkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/somepumpkin)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/73 "2017-12-05T19:28:52Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I’d be curious to know how many outraged people on this message board made calls to the senators who were fence riders who might vote against this piece of shit tax bill. Anyone? My wife and I called eight senators and left messages asking them to vote ‘no’ and giving reasons why. Anybody else? OP? If you don’t make your voices heard, then just bend over and enjoy the ass-fucking. You’re right. But here’s the thing. That bill was so bad that I shouldn’t HAVE to call them on it. This wasn’t an issue of, “let’s hear how you feel, so we can decide how to vote”. No sir. The `Pubs didn’t give a flying fuck how any of us felt. ETA… I accept your pitting as I curl into a ball and weep for my countrymen. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/74 "2017-12-05T22:13:58Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I’ve submitted comments online to my Congressman, and the form requires a zip code prior to submission. Presumably to tell who is an actual constituent. Does the form require that the commenter enter his own ZIP code? Does the site software have any way of verifying whether the commenter really entered his own ZIP code? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/75 "2017-12-06T16:24:01Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > As long as senators can take money from people out of state, then there is nothing wrong with talking to a senator from out of your state. > > Do you not think that if I call up your state senator, and offer him a big juicy contribution to his super pac, that he will give me far more attention than he would if you, his actual constituent, wanted to address your feelings on governing with him? Heck, even I’d listen to you if you paid me to, but that’s not what is being discussed. Call every, and any, U.S. Senator you wish. But everyone should know that they have three representative in the U.S. Congress. Two Senators, and one Congressman. Three representative who are there to represent you. If the voters don’t believe that their Representatives are representing them, or that there is someone else who will represent them better, your three representatives will be looking for honest work. It doesn’t matter how much money legislators receive from out-of-state donors who can’t vote for them if the voters who can vote don’t like the SOB who’s taking the out-of-state donations. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/76 "2017-12-06T16:41:15Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Heck, even I’d listen to you if you paid me to, but that’s not what is being discussed. Call every, and any, U.S. Senator you wish. But everyone should know that they have three representative in the U.S. Congress. Two Senators, and one Congressman. Three representative who are there to represent you. If the voters don’t believe that their Representatives are representing them, or that there is someone else who will represent them better, your three representatives will be looking for honest work. Voters are easily swayed, especially if the campaign coffers are full > [@](#): > > It doesn’t matter how much money legislators receive from out-of-state donors who can’t vote for them if the voters who can vote don’t like the SOB who’s taking the out-of-state donations. I’d like that were true, but as money does come into the coffers and pacs from out of the states and jurisdictions of the congresscritters in question, it seems that people with much more money and influence than you and I disagree with your assessment. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/77 "2017-12-06T16:57:44Z")
I, and the majority of Americans, did NOT vote for Trump. He LOST the popular vote, which is a count of the actual votes. He won by a fluke in the rules – the Electoral College, which ironically was intended to keep demagogue so-called “populist” scumbags like himself from seizing power. As far as ideals, and the left wing ideals, we are NOT the ones now supporting a serial child rapist from fucking Alabama. Values my fucking ass. I wanted Bernie, but voted for Hillary. And judging from the popular vote, I’m not the only one So you can’t blame me for that bullshit either. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/78 "2017-12-06T17:12:34Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Call every, and any, U.S. Senator you wish. But everyone should know that they have three representative in the U.S. Congress. Two Senators, and one Congressman. Three representative who are there to represent you. If the voters don’t believe that their Representatives are representing them, or that there is someone else who will represent them better, your three representatives will be looking for honest work. Thank you, Visiting Professor **doorhinge** , for the civics lesson. Perspicacious as always. I’m sure you probably don’t remember me, but I also attended your brilliant lecture on the role of the mass media in modern society, in which you just kept repeating “the media should do a better job reporting the news” over and over. I’m a huge fan of your work! ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/79 "2017-12-06T19:27:37Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > …I’d like that were true, but as money does come into the coffers and pacs from out of the states and jurisdictions of the congresscritters in question, it seems that people with much more money and influence than you and I disagree with your assessment. (post shortened) Weren’t we discussing the simple notification of U.S. Senators regarding pending legislation? You know, who in the U.S. Senate should concerned citizens/constituents notify if they want to make their own, personal, legislative concerns known? If you donate $100 to every Senator, they will listen to you. They might even take your views into consideration, if it already concurs with their own. If you donate $1000 to every Senator, you’ll become even more popular. But you need to understand that you only represent one vote. In, I assume, one state. If it comes down to a choice between your out-of-state $1000 donation vs 1000 like-minded, eligible voters who disagree with your position, the Senator from another state will thank you for your donation, and will vote in favor of reelection. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285/80 "2017-12-06T19:36:40Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I, and the majority of Americans, did NOT vote for Trump. He LOST the popular vote, which is a count of the actual votes. He won by a fluke in the rules – the Electoral College, which ironically was intended to keep demagogue so-called “populist” scumbags like himself from seizing power. (post shortened) FYI, the majority of Americans did not vote for Hillary, either. Hillary won the race that no candidate was running for. Congratulations Hillary. What is this “fluke in the rules” that you are referring to? Did you just become aware of what the Electoral College is? Or what it does? Did you graduate from a high school in the U.S.? Do you remember taking a Constitution Test as part of your H.S. graduation requirements? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/803285.md?page=5)