# I pit the Pope - What a dope **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2017, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139 "2017-02-18T07:50:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/41 "2017-02-18T18:37:53Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Is this the worst Pope ever or what? > > I’m not sure what their defect is. Perhaps it’s because it’s the first Jesuit Pope or perhaps it’s because it’s the first Pope from the Southern Hemisphere, but this Pope has got some real wacky ideas that are not becoming of a religious leader. > > I remember when the Pope criticized walls last year, an obvious dig at Trump, never mind that the Pope is surrounded by huge walls in the Vatican. Why doesn’t the Pope tear down those walls, if he truly practices what he preaches, instead of just being full of crap? Mr. Pope, tear down those walls! Why doesn’t he take in and house a few thousand refugees that he loves so much, and that he suggests that everybody else accept? > > Bernie Sanders even said in an interview that he believes that the Pope is a socialist like himself, which is of course a horrible thing to be. > > Most recently the Pope has come out in support of leftist climate change and of course he came out with this beauty also: > > “Christian terrorism does not exist, Jewish terrorism does not exist, and Muslim terrorism does not exist. They do not exist,” > > The current Pope is obviously delusional, and instead of acting like an apologist for Islamic terrorists, the Pope should quit living in the leftist fantasy land that’s in his mind and join the real world. The sane world. Poor little delicate snowflake. Can you show me on the doll where the pope touched you? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/42 "2017-02-18T18:43:30Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > We all know Blinky and his conjoined twin Pinky are idiots which is why I won’t bother to respond to them. But I can’t let your little dig at Bush pass without comment. You speak as if Obama was some sort of Green Beret who heroically took part in the mission to kill Osama and wimpy Bush was too pathetic to lead his own mission out there. You must realize that this has nothing to do with being pathetic or not pathetic. Presidents depend on intelligence. Both Bush and Obama expended every effort to find Osama, it just so happened that the right intelligence came in on Obama’s watch. After just six months, [Bush declared that bin Laden wasn’t worth going after.](https://thinkprogress.org/flashback-bush-on-bin-laden-i-really-just-dont-spend-that-much-time-on-him-60cc2bd7af67) > [@](#): > > And just six months after 9/11, Bush suggested in a press conference that Bin Laden was not a top priority for his administration. Asked whether Bush thought capturing Bin Laden was important, Bush scolded those who cared about Bin Laden for not “understand[ing] the scope of the mission” because Bin Laden was just “one person,” whom Bush said, “I really just don’t spend that much time on”: ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/43 "2017-02-18T18:54:42Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Is this the worst Pope ever or what? No, by a long stretch. You need to study some history. > [@](#): > > … the Pope is surrounded by huge walls in the Vatican. I am, too, surrounded by huge walls. It’s called “a house”. I have it in good authority that Francis lives indoors too. Also, you’ve clearly never set foot in the Vatican. I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/44 "2017-02-18T19:10:21Z")
Welfare capitalism isn’t socialism, though in America anything that concerns the group instead of atomizing society into helpless individuals is called socialism. There was an underrated humorous moment in the Dem primaries when a leader from one of the Nordic countries told Bernie to stop calling them socialists because they were dirty capitalist pigs. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/45 "2017-02-18T19:11:10Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > No, by a long stretch. You need to study some history. > > I am, too, surrounded by huge walls. It’s called “a house”. I have it in good authority that Francis lives indoors too. > > Also, you’ve clearly never set foot in the Vatican. I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about. I am not talking about any walls of a house. I am talking about the massive walls that can be found in parts of the Vatican, built to protect it from Muslim invaders. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/46 "2017-02-18T19:17:48Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > It’s not that: it’s that, if you truly believe, you see everybody else as your brother in Christ, and this will logically lead you to do your best to help others. Anybody who claims to be a Christian but who never helps others (within whatever his means happen to be) is about as Christian as a cat’s fart. The exact expression in English would be “whitened sepulchres”, I think. “About as Christian as a cat’s fart” works for me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/47 "2017-02-18T19:26:46Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > All of you people who think **Blinky-Pinky** is a Trumpist or a right-winger have been _ **Whoooshed!** _ I admit he’s had me going for a few weeks, but this latest thread gives it away. > > The “support for leftist climate change” should have made it pretty clear that he was putting on a show, trying to out-stupid the stupidest Trumpists, but it was the “walls in the Vatican” that made it crystal-clear. “Amazing comments from the Pope- considering Vatican City is 100% surrounded by massive walls.” - [Dan Scavino](https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/700368610322206720), Trump’s social media director and senior adviser. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/48 "2017-02-18T19:28:13Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I am not talking about any walls of a house. > > I am talking about the massive walls that can be found in parts of the Vatican, built to protect it from Muslim invaders. [As usual, Trump and his minions lie again.](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/20/world/europe/in-defense-of-trump-some-point-wrongly-to-vatican-walls.html) > [@](#): > > “Amazing comments from the pope — **considering Vatican City is 100% surrounded by massive walls,”** Dan Scavino, Mr. Trump’s social media director and senior adviser, said on Twitter after the pope suggested Mr. Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, was “not Christian.” > > Mr. Scavino tweeted a picture of Vatican City with an outline around its border that **suggested walls stood on some territory where no walls, in fact, stand.** > There are, to be sure, formidable walls in Vatican City, and much of of the site, including the gardens and the modest guesthouse that is home to Francis, is set behind them. But the walls do not entirely enclose the city-state, and in the modern era they are not meant to, historians said. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/49 "2017-02-18T19:29:09Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I am not talking about any walls of a house. > > I am talking about the massive walls that can be found in parts of the Vatican, built to protect it from Muslim invaders. The walls of Rome were not built to protect it from “Muslim invaders”. They were built to protect Rome from Italians. And the French. They’ve long been torn down and turned into “more Rome”, btw. Furthermore, even \*\*if \*\*your historical anecdote had been anywhere close to the mark, I find it both amusing and highly representative that you’d wish world leaders to keep with medieval geopolitics and policies :rolleyes:. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/50 "2017-02-18T19:34:03Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I am not talking about any walls of a house. > > I am talking about the massive walls that can be found in parts of the Vatican, built to protect it from Muslim invaders. Nice that you get your talking points directly from Dan Scavino. You should read[this,](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/20/world/europe/in-defense-of-trump-some-point-wrongly-to-vatican-walls.html) and you will see that your claim there is completely unfounded, counterfactual, and should embarrass you for having made it. That is to say, if you actually have any sort of shame or conscience, and you aren’t just a pathetic whiny troll. (I am usually optimistic, but in this case, I am betting on whiny pathetic troll, lets see if he proves me wrong.) Eta: I would have been first to post, but I had some clients to attend to before I could proofread, but still what is that, triple ninja’d? Of course, with such a stupid and easily dismissed claim (I simply highlighted his words and used them to google search) it makes sense that there would b this much response. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/51 "2017-02-18T19:37:38Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > The walls of Rome were not built to protect it from “Muslim invaders”. They were built to protect Rome from Italians. And the French. They’ve long been torn down and turned into “more Rome”, btw. > > Furthermore, even \*\*if \*\*your historical anecdote had been anywhere close to the mark, I find it both amusing and highly representative that you’d wish world leaders to keep with medieval geopolitics and policies :rolleyes:. The muslims sacked it in 846 AD, and the walls that I am talking about are still there. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/52 "2017-02-18T19:44:40Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > The muslims sacked it in 846 AD, and the walls that I am talking about are still there. So? Since there are so many open stretches and the Vatican doesn’t try to keep anyone out, why do you think they should go to the trouble and expense to get rid of the walls? ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/53 "2017-02-18T19:47:46Z")
And Bourbon sacked Rome in the early 16th century. His boys were German & Swiss Lutherans and Spanish Catholics and mercs of all nations. It was the Catholics who most hated the Church. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/54 "2017-02-18T19:59:01Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > The muslims sacked it in 846 AD, and the walls that I am talking about are still there. LMAFO The walls that stopped the Saracen raiders had nothing to do with the Vatican! ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/55 "2017-02-18T20:07:40Z")
Well, I’d have about a thousand bullet points against opinions the current pope is holding, but I’d enjoy it discussing with him, because he’s a decent and intelligent person. You OP are just a very boring troll. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/56 "2017-02-18T20:10:24Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Since there are so many open stretches and the Vatican doesn’t try to keep anyone out, why do you think they should go to the trouble and expense to get rid of the walls? Who cares about walls that are nearly 1800 years old? [😉](http://www.aviewoncities.com/rome/aurelianwall.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/57 "2017-02-18T20:16:51Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > LMAFO > > The walls that stopped the Saracen raiders had nothing to do with the Vatican! The Vatican walls that I am talking about were built as a direct consequence of the Muslim sacking. Pope Leo. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/58 "2017-02-18T20:23:36Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > The muslims sacked it in 846 AD, and the walls that I am talking about are still there. So ? Just because the Aurelian walls happened to be of use against Muslims raiders doesn’t mean they were built because of them, you dolt. FFS, when they were built there \*were \*no Muslims. And no, there are no more walls surrounding Rome to speak of - at best there remains sectional vestiges here and there, like in most fortified cities that weren’t specifically preserved as such like Carcassonne - which does still have its entire wall standing even though the city has expanded far beyond it since. Or, on the opposite end of the spectrum, had their walls deliberately torn down by conquerors as a political statement - Louis XIV for example did that a lot in southern France. Point is : the historical walls of Rome do not prevent moving in or out of the city at all today. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/59 "2017-02-18T20:25:18Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Well, I’d have about a thousand bullet points against opinions the current pope is holding, but I’d enjoy it discussing with him, because he’s a decent and intelligent person. You OP are just a very boring troll. I would not find any time in my schedule to meet with the Pope, for the same reasons that I would not find any time in my schedule to bother to meet with Obama, Angela Merkel, Mark Zuckerberg, The Koch bros, George Soros, John McCain, Hillary Clinton and a whole number of other people because the one thing that they all share in common, is that they’re all disgusting globalists. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/60 "2017-02-18T20:31:58Z")
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