# I pit the Pope - What a dope **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2017, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139 "2017-02-18T07:50:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/61 "2017-02-18T20:36:48Z")
[Yeah](https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9002402,12.4528418,3a,69.4y,359.79h,89.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sf3l1po0xK6hwdGDPnG6kfQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1), they keep everybody [out](https://www.google.com/maps/place/00120,+Vatican+City/@41.9011698,12.4567408,3a,75y,297.52h,79.99t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s86voDlxqNyXdQJal1OqMFw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D86voDlxqNyXdQJal1OqMFw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D316.07224%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x1325890a57d42d3d:0x94f9ab23a7eb0!8m2!3d41.902916!4d12.453389!6m1!1e1). They [sure](https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9039104,12.4577323,3a,75y,291.5h,75.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6mopYekfK-hPeLCLVzpZJg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1) do. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/62 "2017-02-18T20:46:20Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Presidents depend on intelligence. Both Bush and Obama expended every effort to find Osama, it just so happened that the right intelligence came in on Obama’s watch. There is a good case to be made that Bush did not devote resources to finding Osama because he wanted to focus on the Iraq war (which as we know as an undeniable FACT now was started based on a lie, the false claim that Iraq had WMD when US intelligence was saying they had already destroyed the WMD.) EDIT: " disgusting globalists" Ok blinky how about you tell us exactly why globalists are “disgusting”? I’d be surprised if you can explain your actual reasoning instead of regurgitating Breitbart talking points. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/63 "2017-02-18T21:10:56Z")
Every pope is a silly individual to me, but the OP is only hating THIS pope because he spoke some words that don’t support the dumbest man IN THE WORLD, B&P’s only hero. :rolleyes: I’m sure B&P has similar opinions of Cynthia Merkel, Mitt Romney and anyone else who doesn’t support his favorite example of orange “greatness.” ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/64 "2017-02-18T21:16:33Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Imagine their disappointment. Wanker. I got a PM from Zuck. He’s torn up. Says he’d give it all up for a pat on the head from **Dinkyandstinky**. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/65 "2017-02-18T21:20:38Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I would not find any time in my schedule to meet with the Pope, for the same reasons that I would not find any time in my schedule to bother to meet with Obama, Angela Merkel, Mark Zuckerberg, The Koch bros, George Soros, John McCain, Hillary Clinton and a whole number of other people because the one thing that they all share in common, is that they’re all disgusting globalists. Maybe you should try it, these are people who have still have some concept of ‘reason’ (though I’m not so sure about Zuckerberg, I think he’s just some kind of android). ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/66 "2017-02-18T21:37:38Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Every pope is a silly individual to me … he blows his nose at you; your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of _elderberries_ ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/67 "2017-02-18T22:51:01Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I am not talking about any walls of a house. > > I am talking about the massive walls that can be found in parts of the Vatican, built to protect it from Muslim invaders. Again, you’ve clearly never been to the Vatican. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/68 "2017-02-18T22:53:13Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > We all know Blinky and his conjoined twin Pinky are idiots which is why I won’t bother to respond to them. But I can’t let your little dig at Bush pass without comment. You speak as if Obama was some sort of Green Beret who heroically took part in the mission to kill Osama and wimpy Bush was too pathetic to lead his own mission out there. You must realize that this has nothing to do with being pathetic or not pathetic. Presidents depend on intelligence. Both Bush and Obama expended every effort to find Osama, it just so happened that the right intelligence came in on Obama’s watch. Re-writing documented history??? > **[President Bush Holds Press Conference](https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html)** > > While discussing the war on terrorism, President Bush said, "We want to make it very clear to nations that you will not threaten the United States or use weapons of mass destruction against us, or our allies or friends." March 2002 President Bush Holds Press Conference Press Conference by the President The James S. Brady Briefing Room 4:00 P.M. EST “… So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him,…” "…And, again, I don’t know where he is. I – I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him… " ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/69 "2017-02-18T22:54:16Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > LMAFO > > The walls that stopped the Saracen raiders had nothing to do with the Vatican! Well, they stopped the Vandals and the Visigoths then 😃 ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/70 "2017-02-18T23:00:52Z")
The vandals. Were they the ones that left burning bags of dog poop on your steps? Why do righties constantly mis-state the opposing point of view and then proceed to refute their own mis-statement? Well, easier than thinking, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/71 "2017-02-18T23:10:41Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Well, they stopped the Vandals\ Did they let in Martha & the Vandellas? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/72 "2017-02-18T23:49:57Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > All of you people who think **Blinky-Pinky** is a Trumpist or a right-winger have been _ **Whoooshed!** _ I admit he’s had me going for a few weeks, but this latest thread gives it away. I’d like to think nobody is really as stupid as the OP seems to be. But then I recall that millions of people actually voted for Trump last November. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/73 "2017-02-18T23:52:30Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > We all know Blinky and his conjoined twin Pinky are idiots which is why I won’t bother to respond to them. But I can’t let your little dig at Bush pass without comment. You speak as if Obama was some sort of Green Beret who heroically took part in the mission to kill Osama and wimpy Bush was too pathetic to lead his own mission out there. You must realize that this has nothing to do with being pathetic or not pathetic. Presidents depend on intelligence. Both Bush and Obama expended every effort to find Osama, it just so happened that the right intelligence came in on Obama’s watch. Maybe if the Bush administration hadn’t wasted so many intelligence resources looking for a reason to invade Iraq, he could have found Osama. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/74 "2017-02-19T00:52:12Z")
Even if Vatican City were surrounded by walls, it wouldn’t be for the same purpose as the Great Wall of Donald. Italians aren’t sneaking in to steal Catholic jobs, like priesthoods. Italians aren’t smuggling in illegal drugs, unless it’s sacramental wine that’s past its expiration date. Italians aren’t getting free education and living supported by Vatican taxpayers. It’s all playground comebacks like “Am not, you are!” and “So’s your face!” ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2017, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/75 "2017-02-19T01:00:38Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > Again, you’ve clearly never been to the Vatican. He’s clearly never been out of his mother’s basement. Not even for school. It’s a bit of a Bertha Mason thing. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2017, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/76 "2017-02-19T02:10:36Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Well, they stopped the Vandals and the Visigoths then 😃 Neither, akshully. Both groups sacked Rome. Also the Gauls, the Ostrogoths, the Normans, a bunch of disgruntled German mercenaries, the French and (possibly) my grandfather. I guess what I’m saying is that \*maybe \*the Romans are a bit shit at sieges :). ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2017, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/77 "2017-02-19T02:32:10Z")
Rome has been sacked more often than Tony Romo? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2017, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/78 "2017-02-19T05:09:09Z")
Why should anyone care what **Blinkyandpinky** thinks about the Pope, anyway? I don’t give a rat’s ass about either of these mooks, truth be told. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2017, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/79 "2017-02-19T08:20:25Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > And Bourbon sacked Rome in the early 16th century. Interesting. Perhaps excess bourbon is also partly to blame for the sacking of Washington in the early 21st century. ---
**Author:** ![APB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139/80 "2017-02-19T14:33:04Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > The Vatican walls that I am talking about were built as a direct consequence of the Muslim sacking. > > Pope Leo. While Leo IV did indeed built the Leonine Walls around the Vatican in response to the Saracen raid of 846 and [bits of those walls still survive](http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/74465890.jpg), those aren’t the ones that now surround the Vatican - [the current walls are much later, mostly dating from the reign of Pius IV in the sixteenth century](http://roma.andreapollett.com/S4/OLDWALL1.GIF). Their construction had rather more to do with the fact that there had been serious rioting in Rome following the death of the previous Pope, Paul IV, and that the Sack of Rome had happened only a few decades earlier. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-pope-what-a-dope/780139.md?page=5)