I pit the President for making the same excuse again

Lets bite it in the bud here, other poster already pointed at the increase in funding at the VA, that only in some places the increase in veterans being served (and Arizona is a favoured destination for the climate) was a factor on the problem is a bad one, but one can miss the forest for the diseased trees that you only want to concentrate with, in any case, thanks to the attention a lot of the problems will be fixed as even the Republicans like McCain that forgot to look at his state will have to look at it now.

And related to health care, insisting that having more than 7 million with access to health care that did not had before as the government “not working better” your perspective and your morals too are broken.

BTW, it seems that you are indeed aware of the hopeless nature of the Republicans with science and social progressive matters. That half of the people want to vote for them, regardless of the suffering that it will cause to many, should not be a sign of pride.

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Can you tell me exactly when it is ok for the Pres to lie about non-security issues? How big of lie is acceptable?

The big fucking problem with this goddamned country is the attitude that entirely too many people have about political lies. That attitude is, of course, ‘it is ok when my guy does it but it is a fucking travesty when the other side does it.’

Obama lies. Republicans lie. Democrats lie. Why? Because we let them get away with it.

Slee

Nobody died when Clinton lied.

Not all lies or mistakes are created with the same intentions.

The fact that Obama is just bad at his job is no longer just a right-wing observation:

It’s an especially dangerous scandal for President Obama because it fits into an established narrative about his presidency: that he’s a skilled politician and speechmaker but a lousy manager.

**Obama spoke of only “the possibility that somebody was trying to manipulate the data” on appointment wait lists, and he suggested that “whatever is wrong” may be “just an episodic problem.”

But there are no “ifs” about it: Numerous inquiries and leaked memos over several years point to “gaming strategies” employed at VA facilities to make wait times for medical appointments seem shorter — and these clearly aren’t limited to those reported in Phoenix; Albuquerque; Fort Collins, Colo.; and elsewhere. Lawmakers in both parties have spoken of a systemic problem at the agency, and the American Legion, citing “poor oversight,” has called for Shinseki’s resignation — the first time it has made such a gesture in more than 70 year**

Obama said Wednesday that he doesn’t want the matter to become “another political football,” and that’s understandable. But his response to the scandal has created an inherent contradiction: He can’t be “madder than hell” about something if he won’t acknowledge that the thing actually occurred. This would be a good time for Obama to knock heads and to get in front of the story. But, frustratingly, he’s playing President Passive, insisting on waiting for the VA’s inspector general to complete yet another investigation, this one looking into the Phoenix deaths.

The drumbeat of his response this week — defending the administration’s record, declaring his anger at the mess-ups, pledging to straighten things out — almost completely echoed Obama’s reaction to the fouled-up beginnings of his signature legislative achievement, the Affordable Care Act.
**A simple quiz illustrates the point. Guess which — Obamacare or the VA — the president was talking about when he said each of the following things:

  1. “Nobody is madder than me about the fact that [it] isn’t working as well as it should.”

  2. ”We have to be honest that there are and will continue to be areas where we’ve got to do a lot better.”

  3. “It is something that we intend to fix.”

  4. “Listen, if somebody has mismanaged or engaged in misconduct, not only do I not want them getting bonuses, I want them punished.”
    The answers: 1. Obamacare. 2. The VA. 3. Obamacare. 4. The VA.**

And from John King on CNN:

**“Forget for a moment that Republican outrage,” said King on his CNN show this morning. "More and more Democrats in key 2014 races are calling for the president to get a spine, they say, and fire his Veterans Affairs secretary. And what more and more Democrats are saying privately is scathing, calling the president and his team detached, flat footed, even incompetent.

“Maggie Haberman,” said King turning to a panelist, “that’s what strikes me, what democrats are saying privately in the wakes of the healthcare.gov problems, they see a president who doesn’t want to take command, doesn’t want to act fast. Raising the competence question. Some Democrats, who believe in government, [are saying] this White House doesn’t appear to have its hand on the lever.”**

Haberman of Politico agreed, cited more examples, and added: “All of this adds up to somebody who just doesn’t seem at all involved.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/democrats-privately-calling-obama-detached-flat-footed-incompetent_793544.html

Don’t worry, Democrats. The experts on SDMB assure me that the PResident isn’t supposed to have his hand on the lever, that the government is too big, too complicated, and so will self-regulate. Somehow.

There were already a few conservatives already telling you that you have no perspective whatsoever, not my problem.

Incidentally, during the website problems of the roll-out of the ACA the liberal wing also observed how bad it was, it just so happens that the fix was better than expected.

Considering how positively the ACA foul up was turned around, this is an excellent reason to be optimistic that the VA mess will be as well.

They did observe how bad it was, and the fix did go better than expected. Interestingly, at least on SDMB, most didn’t blame Obama personally for the problems, but credited him personally for the fix. But let’s be clear about the website, it’s not actually fixed. They just fixed the customer-facing portion so people could sign up. There’s a lot of it that still isn’t ready to go and so we’re going to have payment issues for some time.

“The buck doesn’t stop here” seems to be the SDMB motto, at least on the left.

It’s as clear as can be that adaher is not interested in fixing any problems; he’s only interested in shitting on the President. Not only is he factually wrong about nearly everything, but as soon as his narrative is proven false and overtaken by real-world events (like the lately-great-news about the ACA) he just moves on to something else.

There’s no “customer-facing” portion of the VA problem to fix, while waiting for the back end portions to be built.

Plus the President has to make a decision: he expanded eligibility even though the VA was already overloaded and then acted surprised when the VA couldn’t meet the demand. I mean, he got it a 50% funding increase! As if more money just solves everything.

Imagine what would happen in the private sector if a manager gave one of his departments a lot more work, secured a big funding increase for it, and then just assumed everything would be better.

I’d also note, iiandyi, that reactive managers aren’t considered all that great either. What jumping into a problem when it becomes serious enough to warrant media attention and fixing it shows is that if Obama wanted to, he could become a skilled manager. But he just can’t be bothered. A good manager creates solid lines of communication up and down the organization so that problems can be brought to his attention and solved before they draw scrutiny from the outside. If Obama spends the next three years putting out fires from various departments, he won’t exactly go down in history as an effective President. Although he will go down in history as not quite as bad as George Bush, which at this point seems to be the best his fans can hope for.

Broken perspective tool indeed. Only one with very low opinions would hope that Obama would start a pre-emptive war to get more customers for the VA. Since I do not expect that will happen I will say that indeed he is still much better than Dubya.

Yep, but he’s got time. Let’s see what a few more department management issues does to his legacy.

Is there anyone, and I mean anyone here, who honestly thinks the VA is the last of these?

My bet would be that EPA is next. It has all the warning signs: administrators making six figure salaries to view porn, new mandates when they can’t handle the old mandates(probably because a lot of people aren’t doing their jobs), and a hostility to press FOIA inquiries. They are hiding something, and if Obama takes tips from SDMB, he should probably make it a point to find out just what before the LA Times does.

“Not quite as bad” as the guy who lied us into a war that cost the lives of at least one hundred thousand innocent Iraqis and incidentally, about a trillion dollars on the credit card. Really. Well, OK. Perspective and frame of reference checked.

Reminds me of a recent bumper sticker. “Democrats - We’re not perfect, but they’re nuts.”

Look on the bright side, at least now we can’t hold LBJ over your head. Heck, since Iraq your side has almost lionized him. “Hey, he killed 50,000 Americans and a couple million Vietnamese, but Medicare!”

Of course, now Democrats have lost the competence issue. Plus I wouldn’t put too much faith in Democrats’ ability to keep us out of costly wars. Bush aside, Democrats have historically been far more interventionist and it’s only dumb luck since the Cold War ended that we haven’t gotten embroiled in quagmires on their watch. But don’t worry, his Presidency is still young!

The oldest a Presidency can get, by Constitutional definition, is 8 years.

That means that Obama is, right now, over two-thirds of the way through his Presidency. Not exactly the first hundred days, and not exactly young.

You’re not even honest enough, or perhaps not smart enough (can’t quite tell which) to get the easy stuff right. How can we rely on you to be accurate about the complex stuff?

Nitpicking idioms isn’t exactly a sound debate practice. He still has 2 1/2 years left to muck things up, which was the point.

But I get it, it’s starting to get out of hand for him, and showing up adaher is the only way to save his Presidency!

Wait a minute, maybe it’s late, but geez, you did just nitpick an idiom and tried to use it as an example of my “inaccuracy”! What a moron.

It is, in fact, the least of your inaccuracies. I was basically just amusing myself, because you’ve shown yourself, in this thread and myriad others, to be wrong on just about everything. You’re not worth taking seriously, so i figured that i might as well engage you in a non-serious way. Sort of like giving a kid a lollipop so he keeps his hands off the important glassware.

Which is why you came in right when I cited several non-partisan or liberal columnists observing the President was incompetent.

Not that it matters, the President remains incompetent regardless of what I post here.

Names, dates, quotes. You got, you bring. You no got.