# I pit the President of the New York Police Benevolent Association **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2015, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971 "2015-11-08T00:10:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/1 "2015-11-08T00:10:22Z")
Jim Pasco, the head of the Fraternal Order of Police of New York City, has long been known for his … less than politick comments. But now he may have gone too far. He is promising a “[surprise](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-union-quentin-tarantino-surprise_563bfddde4b0411d3070793c)” for Quentin Tarantino between now and the premiere of Tarantino’s new movie. I almost hope he goes too far. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/2 "2015-11-08T00:24:38Z")
I’m not one who is normally for union busting, but this is one I want completely destroyed. Fortunately, he seems to be doing it for us. He already tried to force a boycott that many NYPD officers rejected. Hell, I think he’s already went too far. That’s a terroristic thread. Let’s get some FBI in there and arrest him. ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/3 "2015-11-08T00:49:40Z")
I’m mostly on Tarantino’s side of the issue, but I can’t help but see him as just a narcissistic movie guy, rolling into this debate and making it all about him. Celebrity support can do a movement more harm than good. But the police unions, yeah, they lost my respect long ago. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/4 "2015-11-08T01:11:07Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Jim Pasco, the head of the Fraternal Order of Police of New York City, has long been known for his … less than politick comments. But now he may have gone too far. He is promising a “[surprise](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-union-quentin-tarantino-surprise_563bfddde4b0411d3070793c)” for Quentin Tarantino between now and the premiere of Tarantino’s new movie. > > I almost hope he goes too far. Tarantino is about to learn that free speech has consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/5 "2015-11-08T01:24:18Z")
Just so we’re clear, on October 24, the film director Quentin Tarantino participated in a rally and protest against police brutality. During that event, he said, “I’m a human being with a conscience. And if you believe there’s murder going on then you need to rise up and stand up against it. I’m here to say I’m on the side of the murdered.” The objection appears to be that he used the word “murderer” to refer to police officers. But law enforcement officers have been charged with murder in the deaths of Freddie Gray and Walter Scott (and manslaughter in the death of Eric Harris). So he’s not wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/6 "2015-11-08T01:54:55Z")
> [@WF\_Tomba](#): > > I’m mostly on Tarantino’s side of the issue, but I can’t help but see him as just a narcissistic movie guy, rolling into this debate and making it all about him. Celebrity support can do a movement more harm than good. The elements of the movement that organized the New York march, Rise Up October, contacted _him_, on the basis of some general remarks he made in some less-publicized forum, and asked if he would appear. Tarantino has never been involved with a similar demonstration before; there is no reason to see him as choosing to inject himself into the debate in any self-aggrandizing way. It is the police spokesmen (actual and self-appointed) who are making this about Tarantino, or trying to. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/7 "2015-11-08T02:56:44Z")
I didn’t even hear about Tarantino saying this until the cops started complaining. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/8 "2015-11-08T04:18:50Z")
Yeah, they should have kept it on the QT. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/9 "2015-11-08T05:13:07Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Tarantino is about to learn that free speech has consequences. What sort of consequences? An effective boycott of his film (unlikely, if only because being a Tarantino production people will stay away because it’s total crap)? Or do you believe that something will happen to Tarantino himself? Free speech does have consequences. Among them is the continued exercise of that right by everyone, even those with unpopular views. It may have adverse economic consequences if the views expressed are, in fact, very unpopular. But your remark sounds rather like a different sort of threat. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/10 "2015-11-08T09:50:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Yeah, they should have kept it on the QT. I see what you did there. Do you think your mother would be proud of what you did there, young man ? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/11 "2015-11-08T10:18:33Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I didn’t even hear about Tarantino saying this until the cops started complaining. Which is ironic, because Tarantino could talk a cop’s ear off. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/12 "2015-11-08T13:05:44Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > What sort of consequences? An effective boycott of his film (unlikely, if only because **being a Tarantino production people will stay away because it’s total crap** )? wat I literally cannot think of more than one more-consistently-on-point film director. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/13 "2015-11-08T13:23:33Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Tarantino is about to learn that free speech has consequences. Consequences have consequences too. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/14 "2015-11-08T13:34:28Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Tarantino is about to learn that free speech has consequences. Vous n’êtes pas Charlie Hegdo. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/15 "2015-11-08T14:18:05Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Tarantino is about to learn that free speech has consequences. Is this some odd reference or joke that flew over my head? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/16 "2015-11-08T14:48:50Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Tarantino is about to learn that free speech has consequences. I am curious about this statement as well. What sort of consequences do you think free speech has? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/17 "2015-11-08T15:23:26Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > I am curious about this statement as well. What sort of consequences do you think free speech has? Apparently being in danger from being murdered by an ex-cop in retaliation for calling cops muderers when they murder someone. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/18 "2015-11-08T15:47:20Z")
“It is by the fortune of God that, in this country, we have three benefits: freedom of speech, freedom of thought, and the wisdom never to use either.” - Mark Twain ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/19 "2015-11-08T17:57:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Pasco said the plan isn’t a threat of physical violence. It will aim to hurt Tarantino “in the only way that seems to matter to him, and that’s economically,” he said. > > Whether union members can hit Tarantino in the wallet remains to be seen. The Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, a union representing New York City police, the Los Angeles Police Protective League, and the Philadelphia Fraternal Order of Police all have called for a boycott of his films. > > That said, the media circus surrounding Tarantino’s original statement has turned new eyes toward his upcoming film, which premieres on Christmas Day. Well, there’s no such thing as bad publicity. No reason for Quentin to lose any sleep over his box-office prospects here. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/20 "2015-11-08T19:12:11Z")
Tarantino did not call all cops murderers. He called murderers murderers. Jesus, these people are too stupid to carry weapons. QT has been making the rounds on all the talk shows and he is surprisingly articulate and well spoken. Misunderstanding what he said, is a choice these people are making and it’s idiotic. Stop defending bad cops. No one is insulting good cops. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971.md?page=2)