# I pit the President of the New York Police Benevolent Association **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2015, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971 "2015-11-08T00:10:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/21 "2015-11-09T17:57:51Z")
Not just boycotting. On NPR, some commentators were speculating that he have problems getting cooperation from police next time he needed to film on location. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/22 "2015-11-09T19:01:47Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > Not just boycotting. On NPR, some commentators were speculating that he have problems getting cooperation from police next time he needed to film on location. It’s a good way of shooting themselves in the foot. They already have the reputation of a criminal organization, so what they need is some more bad PR. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/23 "2015-11-09T19:26:17Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Jim Pasco, the head of the Fraternal Order of Police of New York City, has long been known for his … less than politick comments. But now he may have gone too far. He is promising a “[surprise](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-union-quentin-tarantino-surprise_563bfddde4b0411d3070793c)” for Quentin Tarantino between now and the premiere of Tarantino’s new movie. “Cops are out of control and too violent!” “… We’ll show him _violent_…” ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/24 "2015-11-09T21:27:58Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I’m not one who is normally for union busting, but this is one I want completely destroyed. Fortunately, he seems to be doing it for us. He already tried to force a boycott that many NYPD officers rejected. I _am_ one who is normally for union-busting, but seriously, somebody needs to make this guy STFU. With handcuffs and duct tape, if necessary. I’m sure your typical policeman would rather not have the head of his union setting them up as some kind of fascist stormtrooper unit. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/25 "2015-11-09T22:02:00Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > QT has been making the rounds on all the talk shows and he is _ **surprisingly articulate and well spoken** _. Emphasis mine. You user name seems rather appropriate here. What exactly were you expecting? I don’t consider myself a devoted Tarantino fan, but this is a guy who has written and directed a bevy of commercially successful and, in some cases, award-winning movies. He has won two Oscars for Best Screenplay, and been nominated twice for Best Director. In the Golden Globes, he has two wins, and three nominations. And that’s just the big award ceremonies. I would be pretty damn surprised if he _ **wasn’t** _ articulate and well spoken. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/26 "2015-11-10T00:05:08Z")
Being able to write well doesn’t necessarily translate to being a good public speaker. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/27 "2015-11-10T02:39:57Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Emphasis mine. > > You user name seems rather appropriate here. What exactly were you expecting? > > I don’t consider myself a devoted Tarantino fan, but this is a guy who has written and directed a bevy of commercially successful and, in some cases, award-winning movies. He has won two Oscars for Best Screenplay, and been nominated twice for Best Director. In the Golden Globes, he has two wins, and three nominations. And that’s just the big award ceremonies. > > I would be pretty damn surprised if he _ **wasn’t** _ articulate and well spoken. I was expecting a lot more cursing. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/28 "2015-11-10T02:45:51Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Tarantino is about to learn that free speech has consequences. When one of the consequences of your speech is being intimidated by the police, it’s not really “free” speech anymore. ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/29 "2015-11-10T06:56:00Z")
I 100% percent support cops, but they do themselves no favors when they do things like turn their backs to the Mayor of New York, or stuff like this. No matter what, you have to bite your lip, and do your job by the book. At the end of the day, the public will support cops because the same people who whine about the police are the same ones who would be one their knees kissing their feet when they showed up to save them from a dangerous situation. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/30 "2015-11-10T14:46:51Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > At the end of the day, the public will support cops because the same people who whine about the police are the same ones who would be one their knees kissing their feet when they showed up to save them from a dangerous situation. There’s this new thing, we humans just invented it, it’s called “holding two separate, nonconflicting opinions at the same time.” Here’s an example: I support good cops, while \*simultaneously \*opposing bad cops. Another: I appreciate having an effective police force, while \*simultaneously \*seeking institutional changes that reduce racial and economic bias in policing. One more: I am grateful when police officers help protect me from danger, while \*simultaneously \*decrying the fact that I receive more and better protection from them because I am White and middle-class. Not that difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/31 "2015-11-10T14:59:55Z")
Just for the record, Jim Pasco is the [executive director of the national Fraternal Order of Police’s lobbying arm](http://www.fop.net/legislative/index.shtml). He is not the head of the New York FOP, who is the magnificently mustachioed [Mike Essig](http://nysfop.org/). In other words, he’s not a union leader, though individual FOP chapters are sometimes organized as unions. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/32 "2015-11-10T15:47:16Z")
Well, he said he would hit him monetarily, and that QT is " . . . nothing if not predictable." I’m guessing he thinks they can get QT with a drug bust? Does anybody know what QT’s habits are in that regard? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/33 "2015-11-10T15:49:56Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Just for the record, Jim Pasco is the [executive director of the national Fraternal Order of Police’s lobbying arm](http://www.fop.net/legislative/index.shtml). He is not the head of the New York FOP, who is the magnificently mustachioed [Mike Essig](http://nysfop.org/). In other words, he’s not a union leader, though individual FOP chapters are sometimes organized as unions. So it’s his job to make the police look good, right? Way to go! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/34 "2015-11-10T15:52:24Z")
His job is to lobby for the interests of rank-and-file police officers. I suspect the majority of job requires him to make the police look _bad_, just not quite so publicly. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/35 "2015-11-10T15:58:57Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > At the end of the day, the public will support cops because the same people who whine about the police are the same ones who would be one their knees kissing their feet when they showed up to save them from a dangerous situation. I’ve had them NOT show up in dangerous situations. To my house because they couldn’t be bothered, to a violent situation where I worked because “We’re busy, you’re on your own”. (Yes, I was actually told “You’re on your own” by the police.) Do I get a cookie? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/36 "2015-11-10T16:09:11Z")
> [@andros](#): > > There’s this new thing, we humans just invented it, it’s called “holding two separate, nonconflicting opinions at the same time.” > > Here’s an example: I support good cops, while \*simultaneously \*opposing bad cops. > > Another: I appreciate having an effective police force, while \*simultaneously \*seeking institutional changes that reduce racial and economic bias in policing. > > One more: I am grateful when police officers help protect me from danger, while \*simultaneously \*decrying the fact that I receive more and better protection from them because I am White and middle-class. > > Not that difficult. Just what i came to say. And that **russian heel** is, apparently, a heel. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/37 "2015-11-10T18:03:05Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Just for the record, Jim Pasco is the [executive director of the national Fraternal Order of Police’s lobbying arm](http://www.fop.net/legislative/index.shtml). He is not the head of the New York FOP, who is the magnificently mustachioed [Mike Essig](http://nysfop.org/). In other words, he’s not a union leader, though individual FOP chapters are sometimes organized as unions. Not only that, but the President of the NY PBA is [Patrick Lynch](http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/patrick-lynch-re-elected-pba-president-article-1.2248145). Mr. Lynch makes Mr. Pasco look like a pinko commie liberal. That said, Mr. Lynch is only calling for a Tarantino [boycott](http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/police-union-calls-tarantino-movie-834499). Someone must’ve slipped some valium in his coffee. ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/38 "2015-11-11T07:14:45Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I’ve had them NOT show up in dangerous situations. To my house because they couldn’t be bothered, to a violent situation where I worked because “We’re busy, you’re on your own”. (Yes, I was actually told “You’re on your own” by the police.) > > Do I get a cookie? I hate when NYPD traffic cops snarl, gesture and yell at confused drivers. I got yelled at over the phone by another when I dared call their office to find out the progress of a criminal charge I placed against someone. And, I was unfairly harassed and questioned at a DUI checkpoint with local goobers sitting in lawn chairs watching me like I was a circus monkey, only to be released and allowed to drive home when the cops had nothing on me. Its easier for me to list the few bad experiences I have had with cops than list the 97% great experiences I have had with them when they were professional, prompt and helpful. Take that cookie and eat it. ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/39 "2015-11-11T07:15:55Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Just what i came to say. > > And that **russian heel** is, apparently, a heel. I love how both you and **Andros** completely did not react to the first half of my post where I stated I did not support cops intimidating Quentin Tarantino or any other cop protester in any way. Obviously, I support cops but want them to act professionally. But, I get not everyone comprehends second level thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971/40 "2015-11-11T07:34:33Z")
It just occurred to me that this would be the perfect time for Tarantino to commit a major crime in NYC. If he’s arrested for it, he has a ready made defense based on a cop’s own public statements! It’s kinda fun to think about what he could do… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-president-of-the-new-york-police-benevolent-association/736971.md?page=3)