# I pit the republican party for incredibly hypocrisy regarding taxes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 22, 2011, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639 "2011-08-22T11:08:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/21 "2011-08-22T17:27:18Z")
Soros didn’t “devalue” Britains money, Britain did that, Soros simply bet every dime he had that they would. He was right, and made a bundle. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/22 "2011-08-22T17:28:28Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Democracy is so inconvenient, especially when the idiot people don’t vote correctly, isn’t it? [We know that’s what your side thinks, anyway](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD3xfT0c99g). In fact, the guy your side sponsored made that comment [at least 3 times publicly](http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/2002/10/29_Dictator.html). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/23 "2011-08-22T17:34:13Z")
To be ruthlessly fair, there is nothing in any of **Bricker** ’s comments or diatribes to suggest that he favors a dictatorship. Even if he believed it, which I very much doubt, he wouldn’t be dumb enough to say so. And don’t make me do this again. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/24 "2011-08-22T17:34:52Z")
> [@DirkGntly](#): > > The “rich” aren’t oppressing anyone, you dimwitted, lazy-brained fuck. To say so implies that they are actively getting up every day with the purposeful intent of oppressing someone into misery. Instead, what they are doing is looking out for what they believe to be their own best interests, as is _every other citizen in the country_ in one way or the other. Yes, of course. Except that the wealthy wield vastly more power, so when they want more money the propaganda machine we erroneously call the news sets about convincing the rest of us that we should struggle so they don’t have to. And we believe them. I swear I didn’t used to be a pinko, but god damn if I’m not leaning that way more and more each year. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/25 "2011-08-22T17:37:59Z")
I can relate. Went door to door for Goldwater in '64, when Johnson was the “peace candidate”. And what a long, strange trip its been. ---
**Author:** ![DirkGntly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DirkGntly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DirkGntly)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/26 "2011-08-22T17:43:27Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Yes, of course. > > Except that the wealthy wield vastly more power, so when they want more money the propaganda machine we erroneously call the news sets about convincing the rest of us that we should struggle so they don’t have to. And we believe them. Do they, though? Yes, it’s possible they wield more influence “per-capita” than the population at large, but the general populace who aren’t wealthy wield much more power on an at-large basis (re: French Revolution). Nobody is going to be elected to power with just the rich voting for them. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/27 "2011-08-22T17:51:58Z")
> [@DirkGntly](#): > > Do they, though? Yes, it’s possible they wield more influence “per-capita” than the population at large, but the general populace who aren’t wealthy wield much more power on an at-large basis (re: French Revolution). Nobody is going to be elected to power with just the rich voting for them. You’re certainly right about that. So let me direct you back to my original post: > [@Bosstone](#): > > It looks as though the Republicans _have_ learned from history; they’ve gotten the powerless masses to side with the oppressive rich. Yeah, it’s still kind of hyperbolic, but the core of it is true. Folks are being convinced that making the rich richer at their own expense is in fact in their best interests, and the way things are going they won’t realize it until Hoovervilles start popping up again. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/28 "2011-08-22T17:54:11Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Now, this would be an easier position to maintain if the position against which you inveigh were a fringe position. But when a substantial portion of the country appears to support the people you revile, it becomes a bit harder to convincingly assert that you’re completely right and your opponents completely wrong. 40% of Americans believe in creationism and/or intelligent design. No more than 30% of any of the people on the PLANET hold the same beliefs regarding religion. And you want to claim that you’re right because you have popular support? The republican position of trickle-down economics is wrong in the same way that creationism and biblical literalism are wrong: it _doesn’t mesh with reality very well_. The republican party literally held the full faith and credit of the country hostage for political goals less than a month ago, and you’re going to claim that they’re anything less than destructive and populist? > [@](#): > > No. The Republicans are not trying to crash the country. They have a very different view than you do about the proper role of government. Their policies over the last 10 years have: -Weakened science and promoted religious pseudoscience in our schools -Slashed taxes on the rich and dumped benefits for the poor -Played partisan politics over the debt ceiling in a manner that led to OUR CREDIT RATING GETTING LOWERED -Started wars whose root cause can, more or less, be summed up by “we want to give halliburton jobs” -Went from a record surplus to a record deficit in a few months -Wasted months filibustering popularly demanded health care legislation for partisan reasons The republican party’s view of the proper role of government is unreasonable and partisan, to the extent where it is unreasonable to expect them to get anything done which is not to the benefit of the people lining their pockets. > [@Bricker](#): > > Democracy is so inconvenient, especially when the idiot people don’t vote correctly, isn’t it? Yes, as in they don’t vote in their best interests. > [@Scylla](#): > > The article doesn’t really say what the OP indicates. In fact, it points out that some Republicans are against letting it expire, and some Democrats seem to wan it to expire. > > The issue seems to be recognized as a bit of sticky wicket by all concerned. > > Another knee-jerk lying liberal Op brought to you by BPC, your one stop source for left wing partisan misinformation. > [@](#): > > House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., “has never believed that this type of temporary tax relief is the best way to grow the economy,” said spokesman Brad Dayspring. > [@](#): > > “We don’t need short-term gestures. We need long-term fundamental changes in our tax structure and our regulatory structure that people who create jobs can rely on,” said Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., when asked about the payroll tax matter. Yep, the republicans are totally not going to go against this, and are going to smack it down like the TAX INCREASE it is. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/29 "2011-08-22T17:59:53Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [We know that’s what your side thinks, anyway](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD3xfT0c99g). In fact, the guy your side sponsored made that comment [at least 3 times publicly](http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/2002/10/29_Dictator.html). Now this is just dumb, even for you. And that’s saying something. The lead-in at your second site should have tipped you off… > [@](#): > > Yes, George W. Bush has stated he’d prefer to be a dictator at least three times, according to [BuzzFlash.com](http://BuzzFlash.com): …since it is a statement that doesn’t align with the quotes they supplied. Yeesh! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/30 "2011-08-22T18:10:40Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > 40% of Americans believe in creationism and/or intelligent design. Do you have a cite for this? > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > The republican party literally held the full faith and credit of the country hostage for political goals less than a month ago, and you’re going to claim that they’re anything less than destructive and populist? Nope. Tell me, will you ever hold Obama accountable for anything? The Reps wanted _more_ cuts. And if we had _more_ cuts—substantially more—it would have reduced the likelihood that we’d be downgraded. And literally, I don’y think the word “literally” means what you think it means. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/31 "2011-08-22T18:11:29Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And if we had _more_ cuts—substantially more—it would have reduced the likelihood that we’d be downgraded. “We crippled the nation, but we didn’t cripple our credit rating!” ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/32 "2011-08-22T18:18:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Democracy is so inconvenient, especially when the idiot people don’t vote correctly, isn’t it? When the Democrats take a bad position your ilk gets so giddy it soils its pants. To gain credibility you need to condemn Republican mistakes as well, not just indulge in meaningless snark. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/33 "2011-08-22T18:38:10Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Do you have a cite for this? Well, that figure may be old… [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml) > **[BTV168: Slot Gacor Setiap Hari Tanpa Modal Besar Gampang Menang](https://vintagebyloop.com/pages/vintage-guide/)** > > Cari situs slot gacor hari ini modal receh? Dapatkan info slot gacor, pola terbaru, dan akun nomor 1 di Indonesia hanya di BTV168. Main mudah, menang besar setiap hari. So it’s not exactly 40%… But it’s at least in that ballpark. > [@](#): > > Nope. Tell me, will you ever hold Obama accountable for anything? The Reps wanted _more_ cuts. And if we had _more_ cuts—substantially more—it would have reduced the likelihood that we’d be downgraded. Standard and Poor _specifically_ cited our inability to form a stable government as a reason. It did _not_ mention cuts or even the size of our debts or deficit. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/34 "2011-08-22T18:46:08Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Their policies over the last 10 years have: > -Weakened science and promoted religious pseudoscience in our schools > -Slashed taxes on the rich and dumped benefits for the poor > -Played partisan politics over the debt ceiling in a manner that led to OUR CREDIT RATING GETTING LOWERED > -Started wars whose root cause can, more or less, be summed up by “we want to give halliburton jobs” > -Went from a record surplus to a record deficit in a few months > -Wasted months filibustering popularly demanded health care legislation for partisan reasons > > The republican party’s view of the proper role of government is unreasonable and partisan, to the extent where it is unreasonable to expect them to get anything done which is not to the benefit of the people lining their pockets. Your summation of policies is incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/35 "2011-08-22T18:49:16Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Standard and Poor _specifically_ cited our inability to form a stable government as a reason. It did _not_ mention cuts or even the size of our debts or deficit. Then why should the Republicans have been the ones to step back? Why, in the interests of a stable government, shouldn’t the Democrats scale back on spending? What makes the Democrats right – not in a “it’s my opinion” but in absolute certainty? In an earlier post, the claim was made that Republican policies weakened science. In this argument, you seem to be ascribing scientific certainty to matters that are not susceptible to scientific certainty. Was your concept of science taught by schools using Republican policies? ---
**Author:** ![Rekd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Rekd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rekd)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/36 "2011-08-22T18:55:31Z")
The Repugs refuse to add more taxes unless there are substantial spending cuts involved. The Dumbs refuse to make any meaningful cuts to spending while still pushing hard for increasing taxes. The bottom line is this: We will have increased taxes. We will have expanding government. We will like it or else. ---
**Author:** ![AWB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AWB)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/37 "2011-08-22T19:06:41Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > If [Obama] and the other Democrats fail to convince the American public that the lizard people really are lizard people, then it’s their own fault. That’s unfortunately not true. No truth, whoever presents it, is ever completely accepted by the opposition. For example, at various times in the last 3 year, Obama or others have presented a _ **valid** _ copy of his birth certificate. Yet if you polled, there would still be those that say he was not born in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/38 "2011-08-22T19:15:01Z")
> [@Rekd](#): > > The Repugs refuse to add more taxes unless there are substantial spending cuts involved. There’s no “unless.” They refuse to raise taxes regardless of any other variable, They all pledged their soul to their lord and master, Grover Norquist. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/39 "2011-08-22T19:34:34Z")
> [@DirkGntly](#): > > And, **Dio,** you said, “Smart people are pretty much always outnumbered by morons.” Wrong. “Average” intelligence is just that…if the median IQ is 100, then half the population is above it, and half the population is below it…that’s why it’s called “median.” It’s very obvious to me from context that by moron he means uneducated, uninformed people, or people who make the unfortunate choice to not explore or challenge their outlook beyond whatever crap happened to be instilled into them during their upbringing. I can’t imagine why you thought natural IQ had anything to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639/40 "2011-08-22T19:35:33Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Then why should the Republicans have been the ones to step back? Why, in the interests of a stable government, shouldn’t the Democrats scale back on spending? > > What makes the Democrats right – not in a “it’s my opinion” but in absolute certainty? Because the Republicans are the ones who picked the fight over raising the debt ceiling. Concerned about the deficit? Want to get a handle on government spending? Done reasonably, I’m all for it. Best of luck getting your ideas adopted. But it doesn’t need to be done this way; don’t hold up necessary bookkeeping in a tantrum to get your own way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-republican-party-for-incredibly-hypocrisy-regarding-taxes/593639.md?page=3)