# I pit the retard who was driving in the bike lane **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 1, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893 "2009-11-01T00:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/41 "2009-11-03T03:55:40Z")
If you are not on a bicycle, stay the fuck out of the bike lane. ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/42 "2009-11-03T10:08:18Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > You don’t know that, and if it was the case, it would have only occured after road warrior **Yogi** saved the day for all law abiding motorists by deliberately slowing down the bike lane. Oh, bullshit. What happens if the Jaguar driver begins to overtake a cyclist, ahead of where she encountered **Yogi**? What happens if the cyclist isn’t moving fast enough for her liking? The Jag driver hasn’t exactly displayed a boundless reservoir of patience up to this point, has she? Or, worse yet, what happens if the Jag driver decides to speed up a little in what she clearly thinks is her own personal express lane and doesn’t see a cyclist in front of her in time to stop? “Never disrupted anyone’s journey”. It’s like the thought of cyclists actually using the bike lane never even occured to you. It sure as hell didn’t occur to the Jag driver…or to **Yogi** , quite frankly, but I’m not here to defend him and that doesn’t let the Jag driver off the hook anyway. If the woman in the Jag had decided to drive on the sidewalk, would that still have been your defense of her, that she “never disrupted anyone’s journey”? ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/43 "2009-11-03T10:25:22Z")
Huh, I think I just realized why this whole thing is pissing me off so much. About two years ago I was nearly run over by a driver who either didn’t see me or didn’t think she needed to give way. I was in a traffic circle, incoming traffic is supposed to yield to traffic in the circle, but suddenly this car was coming right at me out of a sidestreet. I avoided the collision but only by braking so hard that I fell forward over the handlebars. I’d forgotten about that until just now. The woman never even apologized. I guess she didn’t want to admit she’d done something wrong. That was on a street which has a bike lane, but the bike lane doesn’t continue into the traffic circles, so cyclists have to merge into traffic before entering the circle. We also had to merge into traffic occasionally, as I recall, to dodge the garbage bins that either the residents or the garbagemen kept leaving smack in the middle of the bike lane. And some of you jackasses are arguing as if the worst thing the Jag driver did was get ahead of the other drivers. What **NinjaChick** said. Keep your goddamned cars out of the bike lane. All of you. If you actually give a damn whether cyclists live or die, start acting like it. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/44 "2009-11-03T11:36:46Z")
The point is that the OP saw something wrong, and ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT. This is more than anybody I’ve ever seen anybody do in the Pit. Yeah, he broke the law in order to stop somebody else from possibly hurting people. He SLOWED DOWN. As in, slow enough not to hit cyclist, which the other person would have done. And those of you hung up on breaking the law–you do realize that, by telling him not to do it, you are siding with the person who is doing it? The law was going to be broken either way. The difference is that that person might have been dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![BrandonR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@BrandonR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrandonR)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/45 "2009-11-03T13:51:05Z")
Good for you. The bitch deserved it. I often do the same thing when I see people driving on the shoulder when traffic is backed up. People getting to their destination is just as important as me getting to my destination. It’s unbelievably rude when people think they’re more important than everyone else and decide to drive on the shoulder to get there faster. Fuck 'em I say. Who cares if it’s illegal? Sometimes a mild case of vigilante justice is what assholes need to keep them in check. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/46 "2009-11-03T14:14:49Z")
> [@Orbifold](#): > > What **NinjaChick** said. Keep your goddamned cars out of the bike lane. All of you. If you actually give a damn whether cyclists live or die, start acting like it. And keep your goddamned bicycles off the sidewalks ! Pedestrians don’t wear helmets. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/47 "2009-11-03T16:16:32Z")
First of all, who is this **Yogi** person? :rolleyes: > [@muttrox](#): > > I’m basically with you, but… how is she ever going to get it through her head not to try that again? She’s not a mind reader, you’re just another jerk to her. No way to connect her offense with her punishment. That’s the difficulty with the roads, it’s so hard to communicate with other cars. I’ve often wished of getting one of those electronic message signs attached to my car so I could write messages to the other cars. You can think that, and it may be correct. However, I tend to believe that once someone stands up to people like this, they’ll be less likely to do it. She passed several streets snaking her way through the bike lane, she knew what she was doing. I think that she got the message when I pulled in front of her and stopped her. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/48 "2009-11-03T17:42:02Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The point is that the OP saw something wrong, and ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT. This is more than anybody I’ve ever seen anybody do in the Pit. > > Yeah, he broke the law in order to stop somebody else from possibly hurting people. He SLOWED DOWN. As in, slow enough not to hit cyclist, which the other person would have done. > > And those of you hung up on breaking the law–you do realize that, by telling him not to do it, you are siding with the person who is doing it? The law was going to be broken either way. The difference is that that person might have been dangerous. Oh bullshit, bullshit, bullshit on your entire response but especially the last paragraph. I guess we should all take the law into our own hands to stop criminals or WE AGREE WITH THE PERPETRATORS AND THE TERRORISTS WIN! The OP is no hero and he’s not out there GOING ROGUE! on behalf of the cyclists. He’s a testosterone driven road rager who chose to use his vehicle which weighs thousands of pounds to exact what he views to be JUSTICE to someone that he is assigning all kinds of emotions to. O he has to mention her expensive car! That’s important to get everyone on his side. Then he calls her a retard which is uber classy. His first paragraph screams “I hate rich people and I will show you that I can make you do what I want!” Plus, as an aside, you could see that her ass was misshapen while she was sitting on it in her car? Damn. > [@YogSosoth](#): > > That’s why, when we both got to the next light, I decided to block you. Yeah, what are you going to do about it? Hit me? I’d like to see your prissy ass do anything to get a scratch on that Jaguar, dumb shit. I floored it when the light turned green just so I could get ahead of you. Then I moved my car halfway into the bike lane and drove as if you weren’t even there. Want to move forward? Want to take your comfy little bike lane all the way through? Fat chance, dipshit, now you’ve pissed me off and you’re going to stay behind me all the fucking way. > > And you know what? I know what you look like now. I know what you’re driving. When I drive down that road again, I’m looking for you, and I’m going to do the same fucking thing over and over until you get it through your god damn head that you do not try that again, ever. Seriously? THIS is some serious batshit nuttery right here. I’ve worked with ambulance crews and when they need to (in heavy traffic) they use the bike lane turnoff to get around an intersection. Guess who just blocked that? Yep, you guessed it… Mr OP Rage. So now we have someone praising someone else for BREAKING THE LAW to show someone else not to break the law? He is the definition of road rage and you’re here to applaud him? For real? If he wants to take care of lawbreakers he can apply to be a police officer. Something tells me that he won’t pass the psychological tests, but he can try. Do I think what the woman did was right? Nope. Not at all. Am I willing to play “Live out my testosterone fantasy” games with a vehicle that weighs thousands of pounds? Not a chance. > [@YogSosoth](#): > > I think that she got the message when I pulled in front of her and stopped her. Oh you brave, brave hero. Jaysus. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/49 "2009-11-03T17:47:17Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Do I think what the woman did was right? Nope. Not at all. Am I willing to play “Live out my testosterone fantasy” games with a vehicle that weighs thousands of pounds? Not a chance. Well, in fairness, you aren’t supposed to have testosterone fantasies… ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/50 "2009-11-03T17:51:14Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, in fairness, you aren’t supposed to have testosterone fantasies… :: whispers :: You do know that women have testosterone and men have estrogen, right? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/51 "2009-11-03T17:56:19Z")
:: whispers back :: Yes, but I never think about being whisked away on a pirate ship by Fabio. _Why are we whispering?_ ---
**Author:** ![koufax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ea924/32.png) [@koufax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koufax)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/52 "2009-11-03T18:06:21Z")
> [@Orbifold](#): > > Huh, I think I just realized why this whole thing is pissing me off so much. About two years ago I was nearly run over by a driver who either didn’t see me or didn’t think she needed to give way. I was in a traffic circle, incoming traffic is supposed to yield to traffic in the circle, but suddenly this car was coming right at me out of a sidestreet. I avoided the collision but only by braking so hard that I fell forward over the handlebars. I’d forgotten about that until just now. hey…you got off easy compared to these guys > **[Physician accused of deliberately injuring two bicyclists is convicted](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-nov-03-me-cyclist3-story.html)** > > Physician accused of deliberately injuring two bicyclists is convicted ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/53 "2009-11-03T21:23:06Z")
> [@koufax](#): > > hey…you got off easy compared to these guys > > [Physician accused of deliberately injuring two bicyclists is convicted](http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cyclist3-2009nov03,0,761131.story) Oh, no doubt. Why, that Thompson guy positively disrupted their journey. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/54 "2009-11-04T01:32:09Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > First of all, who is this **Yogi** person? :rolleyes: [Yogi](http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/3/33281/965884-yogibear1_large.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.giantbomb.com/yogi-bear/94-8168/&usg=__9_ddMTKzDy47eMSfy9xysiSawiQ=&h=344&w=300&sz=15&hl=en&start=43&tbnid=uRuxiEI1MX962M:&tbnh=120&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dyogi%2Bbear%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D12%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D36) He’s smarter than the average…bear. ---
**Author:** ![akwally1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akwally1/32/3220_2.png) [@akwally1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akwally1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/55 "2009-11-04T01:52:14Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > He is the definition of road rage and you’re here to applaud him? Oh come off it, what he did may have been ill-advised, but the DEFINITION of road rage? Hardly. [Try](http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/molalla_man_jailed_after_road.html) [these](http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20091103/NEWS/91103028/Pedestrian+struck+in+road-rage+incident++police+say)for some examples of real road rage. Mark ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/56 "2009-11-04T01:58:25Z")
> [@akwally1](#): > > Oh come off it, what he did may have been ill-advised, but the DEFINITION of road rage? Hardly. > > [Try](http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/molalla_man_jailed_after_road.html) [these](http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20091103/NEWS/91103028/Pedestrian+struck+in+road-rage+incident++police+say)for some examples of real road rage. > Mark Nope, you’re just arguing degrees. Of course some people take it farther, but he decided to use his vehicle to break the law to prevent HER from breaking the law and has vowed to keep an eye out for her and do it some more. That’s unstable and road rage. Getting into a pissing match about finding who has done the WORST road rage isn’t something I’m interested in. Our OP is enough of a shining example in the here and now. ---
**Author:** ![BrandonR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@BrandonR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrandonR)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/57 "2009-11-04T14:32:15Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Nope, you’re just arguing degrees. Of course some people take it farther, but he decided to use his vehicle to break the law to prevent HER from breaking the law and has vowed to keep an eye out for her and do it some more. That’s unstable and road rage. Getting into a pissing match about finding who has done the WORST road rage isn’t something I’m interested in. Our OP is enough of a shining example in the here and now. Sheesh, I’d hate to live in a world where everyone was as boring and passive-aggressive as you. Sometimes pricks need to be taught lessons to keep them in line. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/58 "2009-11-04T15:57:52Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Seriously? THIS is some serious batshit nuttery right here. I’ve worked with ambulance crews and when they need to (in heavy traffic) they use the bike lane turnoff to get around an intersection. Guess who just blocked that? Yep, you guessed it… Mr OP Rage. > > . Woo hoo…can I come there and get injured? Just so that I can get a picture of myself being loaded into a jaguar ambulance - thats gotta rock (I know that the Italian police have a Lamborghini Gallardo that is used for transporting organs for transplant, but an acutal Jag ambulance has to rock! ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/59 "2009-11-04T16:20:28Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Oh bullshit, bullshit, bullshit on your entire response but especially the last paragraph. I guess we should all take the law into our own hands to stop criminals or WE AGREE WITH THE PERPETRATORS AND THE TERRORISTS WIN! > > The OP is no hero and he’s not out there GOING ROGUE! on behalf of the cyclists. He’s a testosterone driven road rager who chose to use his vehicle which weighs thousands of pounds to exact what he views to be JUSTICE to someone that he is assigning all kinds of emotions to. Calm down. It’s not like I shot her. I pulled my car in front of her so she couldn’t CONTINUE to break the law. What I did is hardly extreme. And this isn’t reprisal, this is stopping someone in the act, like stabbing someone in order to prevent them from stabbing someone else. Besides if I’m no hero how come I have this trophy? :D;) > [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > O he has to mention her expensive car! That’s important to get everyone on his side. Then he calls her a retard which is uber classy. His first paragraph screams “I hate rich people and I will show you that I can make you do what I want!” Plus, as an aside, you could see that her ass was misshapen while she was sitting on it in her car? Damn. Correction: I hate rich people who think they can break the law with impunity. The rest was just name-calling > [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Seriously? THIS is some serious batshit nuttery right here. I’ve worked with ambulance crews and when they need to (in heavy traffic) they use the bike lane turnoff to get around an intersection. Guess who just blocked that? Yep, you guessed it… Mr OP Rage. If there was an ambulance I would have moved. Simple as that. I didn’t drop a concrete roadblock in her way. I didn’t dig a trench to prevent her from passing. I simply moved my car halfway into her lane. You’re the one who’s freaking out over nothing here. > [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Do I think what the woman did was right? Nope. Not at all. Am I willing to play “Live out my testosterone fantasy” games with a vehicle that weighs thousands of pounds? Not a chance. What game? You act as if I swerved into her lane and caused an accident. I made a move like I was getting into her lane, then stopped halfway. It was completely safe, and fun too. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893/60 "2009-11-04T18:05:24Z")
> [@BrandonR](#): > > Sheesh, I’d hate to live in a world where everyone was as boring and passive-aggressive as you. Sometimes pricks need to be taught lessons to keep them in line. Passive-aggressive? How is letting the police do their job passive-aggressive? Or wait, do you mean that just because _you_ and some of your pals here get a flush of RAEG when people do things wrong that we all do? I’m not sure what’s wrong with your life, but these things are barely a blip on my radar. I’d have forgotten that woman two miles after I saw her stupidity. I sure as hell wouldn’t have enough rage to type out my Road Rager Manifesto for all my crazy dope brethren to come tell me how great I did. Maybe you fellas can get together and pat each other’s backs and talk about manly things so you can get this shit out of your systems? Sheesh. As for boring, I can’t help you there. If you think a boring life is one without playing Road Warrior, then get thee to a head doctor. You need more help than the Dope can give you. > [@YogSosoth](#): > > Calm down. It’s not like I shot her. I pulled my car in front of her so she couldn’t CONTINUE to break the law. What I did is hardly extreme. And this isn’t reprisal, this is stopping someone in the act, like stabbing someone in order to prevent them from stabbing someone else. Calm down? Coming from you, that’s hilarios! It is you has clearly built up an unhealthy head of steam here. Honestly I’m always surprised when people come to the Pit to rant about things that normal people just let go in the course of a day. But hey, it takes all kinds. > [@YogSosoth](#): > > If there was an ambulance I would have moved. Simple as that. I didn’t drop a concrete roadblock in her way. I didn’t dig a trench to prevent her from passing. I simply moved my car halfway into her lane. You’re the one who’s freaking out over nothing here. Dear Wannabe Barney Fife: This isn’t freaking out. This is laughing at you for being a slave to your anger emotions. You can try to deflect the craziness of your original OP with your silly hyperbolic examples, but the truth of your disconnect with what’s normal driving behavior is right up there in the OP. You stated that you intend to watch out for her and deliver your little impotent squirt of “justice” every time you see her attempt the same thing. Gosh, I sure hope you got a good look at her because you know those rich folks often have a lot of cars and she could be driving her Rolls next time. > [@YogSosoth](#): > > It was completely safe, and fun too. Aw shit. Why didn’t you put this part first and then I just wouldn’t have bothered with you? I get it! You’re a complete moron! Well damn, this explains the rest. Nevermind. It makes sense now. Maybe when you mature a little bit (you are a new driver of around 16-17 right? I mean, you have to be) you’ll find that there are all kinds of fun things in the world and you won’t have to resort to having your fun behind the wheel trying to earn your Junior Cop Badge. Now run along, little fella… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-retard-who-was-driving-in-the-bike-lane/515893.md?page=4)