# I pit the Revelations TV miniseries **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 14, 2005, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223 "2005-04-14T02:14:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/41 "2005-04-14T15:33:19Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > If English was good enough for Jesus, why would God speak Latin? To speak to all those Christians in Latin America. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/42 "2005-04-14T15:45:22Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > At some point of full physical resurrection, the body is brought back whole and complete, and perfect. Perfect? Then how will I recognize it? My soul will spend eternity wandering Heaven’s parking lot, wishing it weren’t open 24-7 so I could hop into the last empty body. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/43 "2005-04-14T15:49:51Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > If English was good enough for Jesus, why would God speak Latin? OMG Ma Ferguson has come back from the grave! Just when I thought Texas couldn’t get any more bizarro. And one question - if this show is aimed at fundies, why is it on Wednesday nights, when many of them are in church? And FTR the Lutheran church encourages organ donation, but leaves the decision up to the individual Christian. Any demonination that forbids it is making things up, as the Bible never addresses the situation. They are, however, firmly against euthanasia. I personally don’t see pulling the plug on a PVS patient as euthanasia though, and the church’s website doesn’t say anything specific about that type of situation that I can find, so I don’t know what the “official” word is. (\*note: I lead a Wednesday night meeting for our youth group - but I’m not a “fundie”… I hope) :eek: ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/44 "2005-04-14T16:11:44Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > At some point of full physical resurrection, the body is brought back whole and complete, and perfect. Heh. At some point (around the 9th century) it was taught that as part of this “perfection” process, all women would be resurrected as men. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/45 "2005-04-14T16:27:48Z")
> [@](#): > > They are, however, firmly against euthanasia. I personally don’t see pulling the plug on a PVS patient as euthanasia though, and the church’s website doesn’t say anything specific about that type of situation that I can find, so I don’t know what the “official” word is. The RCC permits the removal of heart and/or lung machines (and posiibly machines working for other critical organs–I don’t have and exhaustive list handy) for a person in a PVS. It has actually had this policy explicitly since the early 1950s. It does not support the removal of feeding tubes from persons whose hearts and lungs will continue to function without the support of a ventilator or other equipment–hence the Franciscan brothers hanging out with Ms. Schiavo’s parents in her last days. (Rants and disputes with this policy should be taken up in another thread. I’m just noting the specific position to keep this thread from further divergences.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/46 "2005-04-14T16:31:19Z")
I watched it. I was bored, and the paper had given it a good write-up. It was typical psuedo-religious garbage, but not any worse than any of the other crap about “the end of times”. I’m surprised no one has mentioned yet that girl in the PVT was in… FLORIDA!! How conVENient… The Latin thing was pretty funny. You have to wonder, why couldn’t they have used Greek or Aramaic? Afther Mel’s movie, everyone at least knows about Aramaic now. If they used Greek, they could have thrown in a little educational 2 liner: **Skeptical Doctor:** Why is she speaking Greek and not Latin? **Wise, in-the-know Nun:** Most people think the NT was written in Latin, but it was actually written in Greek and only later translated in Latin. I did think the murderer guy was kind of an interesting character. I’ll probably watch another episode or two just to find out what happens to him. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/47 "2005-04-14T16:32:32Z")
Sheesh. PVT should have been PVS (persistant vegetative state). Or was it PMS? I always get those acronyms mixed up. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/48 "2005-04-14T16:34:30Z")
Oh, so this “Book of Joel” is in the Old Testament. Thought they said it was in the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/49 "2005-04-14T16:34:35Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And WTF is this “Book of Joel” referenced in the lead in? “Come thou unto me, Virginia. Don’t let me wait. Ye Catholic girls start much too late…” ---
**Author:** ![anu-la1979](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@anu-la1979](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anu-la1979)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/50 "2005-04-14T16:37:49Z")
I was actually planning on writing them a letter about the freaking organ donation thing. It was so damn ridiculous. Generally it wouldn’t have upset me so much but recent happenings make me realise that some people actually store up this type of information as fact. ---
**Author:** ![Faith\_is\_Good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@Faith\_is\_Good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Faith_is_Good)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/51 "2005-04-14T16:44:10Z")
I thought it was a good show well produced and acted. I don’t think that it pretended to be from a strictly Catholic perspective. The bottom line is that if you hate religion then you will probably not like the show. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/52 "2005-04-14T16:46:48Z")
Very likely. If you hate religion and love Jesus, it will _really_ piss you off. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/53 "2005-04-14T16:53:47Z")
And clearly if you don’t like the show, then you must hate religion. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/54 "2005-04-14T16:55:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, so this “Book of Joel” is in the Old Testament. Thought they said it was in the Bible. You’re from Texas originally, right? Figures. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/55 "2005-04-14T16:56:20Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > And clearly if you don’t like the show, then you must hate religion. Q.E.D. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/56 "2005-04-14T16:58:36Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > **Skeptical Doctor:** Why is she speaking Greek and not Latin? > > **Wise, in-the-know Nun:** Most people think the NT was written in Latin, but it was actually written in Greek and only later translated in Latin. Woah woah woah, hold on there, Poindexter! Nobody told me there was gonna be learning! I’ll thank you to keep your egghead buzzkills out of my entertainment, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/57 "2005-04-14T17:03:31Z")
Last night I was kidnapped, tied up and forced to watch that show… oh well, I just had 40 minutes to kill before the newest episody of L&O started and I decided to waste almost an hour on my life on that show. You guys already mentioned all the things that bugged me about that show, specially the not-so-subttle exploitation of the Schiavo case, but I was even more miffed at them for portraying somebody pissed off at god as an atheist. Atheists are not pissed at god, we don’t believe there is a god. The acting sucks too. And so did that episode of L&O. I want those two hours of my life back. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/58 "2005-04-14T17:06:43Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > As far as I understand it, in fundie Protestant theology, the “saints” are the saved in Christ, but not a separate, extra-holy class of saved person and most especially not an object of prayer. Prayer is only to be addressed to God in the name of Jesus, so nix on the prayers to St. Anthony to find your car keys or saying novenas to St. Jude for the Democrats to win an election. Saints are note really looked at like that, they are not demigods or special in that way. Instead they are regarded as people who lived the way we all should, and are honored for that. Also, we do not really pray to saints. It’s more like asking them to do you a favor and put a good word in with Da Big Boss. It’s silly, but some people do it. I like the bit about St. Jude (patron of hopeless causes). I wonder. Think he can help my Mets? (grin) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/59 "2005-04-14T17:12:19Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Heh. At some point (around the 9th century) it was taught that as part of this “perfection” process, all women would be resurrected as men. ROFL. I can just imagine that, all the dead folks in heaven, getting reaquainted. “Hey Jack! Come on over and say hi to my wife Mike and my daughter Ralph” :eek: ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/60 "2005-04-14T17:20:55Z")
> [@](#): > > Saints are note really looked at like that, they are not demigods or special in that way. Instead they are regarded as people who lived the way we all should, and are honored for that. But that’s the problem–from a fundie POV exalting certain people as examples of holiness is idolatry because (in their view) the only example of virtue we should look to is Jesus and noone else. > [@](#): > > Also, we do not really pray to saints. It’s more like asking them to do you a favor and put a good word in with Da Big Boss. Ahem, it’s still prayer. I was raised Catholic and I was taught to say prayers to certain saints for particular favors (although I’m sure that had to have changed over the past 40 years). Some Catholics still [pray to saints](http://www.saintanthonyofpadua.org/prayers.htm): > [@](#): > > O Glorious St. Anthony, you live now in unity with Jesus Christ, the Divine Physician and the healer of all human ills. I come to you today to ask for your powerful intercession on behalf of my beloved spouse (mention name), who seeks to be restored to good health. > > The years we have shared, and the love we have known, is precious to me, and my heart breaks in my helplessness. But I believe that with the Lord all things are possible. > > Compassionate Saint, comfort me in my distress and obtain blessings for my beloved spouse so that (name) may be quickly and completely restored to health. Amen It may only be intercessionary prayer, but from a Protestant POV any attention paid to any supernatural entity other than Jesus is sinful. IMO, I’m guessing that the practice of praying to saints is a survival of pagan Roman religion in which Romans prayed to a host of household gods and minor deities for help in life’s daily troubles. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223.md?page=4)