# I pit the Revelations TV miniseries **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 14, 2005, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223 "2005-04-14T02:14:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Faith\_is\_Good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@Faith\_is\_Good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Faith_is_Good)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/81 "2005-04-15T05:53:27Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > As **Dio** pointed out, NONE of those are central to Catholic teaching. There has been married clergy before, and doubtless we’ll someday see women clergy. > > None of those things though, even if the church does disagree, are heresies. As far as the church is concerned, the Rapture is a heresy, and no Catholic nun would profess a belief in it. There’s a HUGE difference between how the church is run and actual Scriptural interpretation. Most Catholics don’t believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, but they sure do believe in the Antichrist, and other End Times events. The late Malachi Martin and noted Catholic author of such noted books as WindSwept House, Hostage To the Devil and others spoke a great deal of End Time type events. My sister goes to Notre Dame and she related the story of one of her professors extolling the theory that Jesus was both gay, married, and never really died on the cross because he escaped at the last minute. I cannot imagine many beliefs that would be more heretical than those. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/82 "2005-04-15T14:05:41Z")
Those aren’t nuns, though, are they? And no…all that “endtimes/antichrist” garbage is not part of Catholic theology. Catholics believe that Jesus will come back, of course, but the Church is amillenialist and (correctly) interprets most of Revelation as pertaining to past events regarding the Roman Empire, not the future. I don’t think there is any official doctrine as to the Antichrist but there are a variety of opinions. Biblically speaking, the word “Antichrist” is found only in the Epistles of John (contrary to popular belief, the Book of Revelation does not mention the Antichrist). He uses it in the plural and he uses it to refer to people (apostate Christians and enemies of Christianity) in his own time. It’s a descriptive term, not a title and and not an individual. The word has become conflated with the “Beast” of Revelation but the Beast was the Emperor of Rome in Catholic interpretation. The 'Antichrist" as a futuristic supervillain I believe does still have some cache in Catholic opinion but not official doctrine and the rest of the trappings of Darbyistic fantasy - particularly a premillenial “Rapture” are directly contradictory to Church teaching (and to the Bible) and would not be held by a nun. For the most part, the Church says that the end can’t be predicted or mapped out, that Jesus will just come one day and that’s it. Even if this numbskull show wanted to present a _heretical_ nun, they should _acknowledge_ that her beliefs are heretical instead of giving the impression that’s she’s communicating mainstream Catholic doctrine. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/83 "2005-04-15T14:43:54Z")
I don’t. What the joke? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/84 "2005-04-15T14:45:08Z")
Sorry, there was supposed to be a quote there. I was referring to the St. Jerome joke. Could someone fight my ignorance and explain it please. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/85 "2005-04-15T14:53:21Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > Sorry, there was supposed to be a quote there. I was referring to the St. Jerome joke. Could someone fight my ignorance and explain it please. St. Jerome translated the Bible into Latin. He’s the one responsible for the Vulgate Bible which became the Church standard for centuries. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/86 "2005-04-15T14:54:58Z")
I could tell you, but then I’d have to bless you. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/87 "2005-04-15T15:00:55Z")
Thanks, **Diogenes**. I should have got that. There was a Simpson’s episode where the Flanders became Bart and Lisa’s foster parents. When they choose the Bible for there nightly trivia game Rod or Todd calls out “The Vulgate of St. Jerome!” I remember thinking Isn’t that in Latin? ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/88 "2005-04-15T15:06:44Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Heh. At some point (around the 9th century) it was taught that as part of this “perfection” process, all women would be resurrected as men. So, uh…what’s the point of heaven again? ---
**Author:** ![yanceylebeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yanceylebeef/32/12290_2.png) [@yanceylebeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yanceylebeef)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/89 "2005-04-15T15:47:17Z")
> [@cuauhtemoc](#): > > “Come thou unto me, Virginia. Don’t let me wait. > Ye Catholic girls start much too late…” You, sir (or ma’am) are a genius. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Podkayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Podkayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Podkayne)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/90 "2005-04-15T15:50:15Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Sooner or later, they _have_ to piss off somebody. Surprised they already haven’t, astonished that somebody somewhere hasn’t called a press conference to denounce the blasphemy of whatever. How’s this? [‘Left Behind’ Authors Blast End-Times Mini-Series as ‘Unbiblical, Weird’](http://www.charismanews.com/a.php?ArticleID=10927) O, irony, thy name is Jerry Jenkins. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/91 "2005-04-15T17:18:15Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > So, uh…what’s the point of heaven again? Once you die, you never have to say “Yes, dear” again. Hallelujah, Hossana, Emmanuel… ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/92 "2005-04-15T19:02:52Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > So, uh…what’s the point of heaven again? Lots of slash? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/93 "2005-04-15T19:11:52Z")
Well, I am kinda bi, but if this is true, maybe I should convert, then. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/94 "2005-04-16T05:00:07Z")
> [@Faith is Good](#): > > Most Catholics don’t believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, but they sure do believe in the Antichrist, and other End Times events. With all due respect, no, they do not. And if they DO believe in it, they are technically heretics. Catholics do NOT believe in the rapture, pre or post trib, or whatever, or this “End Times” and the Antichrist crap. Catholics do not believe in Biblical literalism. ---
**Author:** ![Faith\_is\_Good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@Faith\_is\_Good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Faith_is_Good)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/95 "2005-04-16T05:28:57Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > With all due respect, no, they do not. And if they DO believe in it, they are technically heretics. Catholics do NOT believe in the rapture, pre or post trib, or whatever, or this “End Times” and the Antichrist crap. Catholics do not believe in Biblical literalism. I was going to post a link that I found earlier on Google to a really good site on Catholic End Times theology. However, when I went to Google there was just a small red flag with a cresent in the upper right hand corner. I tried Lycos, but couldn’t find the link. This is a sure sign of the end! ---
**Author:** ![Faith\_is\_Good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@Faith\_is\_Good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Faith_is_Good)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/96 "2005-04-16T06:03:37Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > With all due respect, no, they do not. And if they DO believe in it, they are technically heretics. Catholics do NOT believe in the rapture, pre or post trib, or whatever, or this “End Times” and the Antichrist crap. Catholics do not believe in Biblical literalism. Here is the website of which I was speaking [conventhill.com -](http://www.conventhill.com/endtimes/) It talks a good deal of various Catholic Endtimes beliefs and is rated by Church as excellent for fidelity to church teachings. ---
**Author:** ![Faith\_is\_Good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@Faith\_is\_Good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Faith_is_Good)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/97 "2005-04-16T06:06:41Z")
Here is the website that rates the above site as faithful to Catholic doctrine: > **[Missing Page Redirect](https://www.catholicculture.org/sites/site_view.cfm?recnum=956)** > > A chief provider and curator of Catholic information on the web since 1996. Our editorial voice, always faithful to the teachings of the Church, assists and inspires Catholic clergy and laity. ---
**Author:** ![BraheSilver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@BraheSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BraheSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/98 "2005-04-16T06:06:48Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Once you die, you never have to say “Yes, dear” again. Hallelujah, Hossana, Emmanuel… You know, when I first read this I thought it said “…you never have to **see** ‘Yes, dear’ again.” Either way, it still makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/99 "2005-04-16T07:15:04Z")
> [@cuauhtemoc](#): > > “Come thou unto me, Virginia. Don’t let me wait. > Ye Catholic girls start much too late…” My hero. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223/100 "2005-04-16T12:18:42Z")
> [@Faith is Good](#): > > I thought it was a good show well produced and acted. I don’t think that it pretended to be from a strictly Catholic perspective. The bottom line is that if you hate religion then you will probably not like the show. I am a very devout, hard core Episcopalian, and I had no intention of watching the show because I consider Rapture “Theology” to be cruel, evil heresy. For the record, I don’t use the word “evil” lightly. I’ve educated myself about it quite thoroughly and argued it for several years now, so I do know what I’m talking about and what I’ve seen of it is un-Biblical codswollop. It is also _not_ a feature of Episcopalian belief as detailed in the Book of Common Prayer, which contains what specifically Episcopalians and Anglicans believe. I’m not at home now, but I’ll give you a cite for it later. As I said, I didn’t watch the show, although I did read a review because I had better things to do on Wednesday (my taxes) and because I know what my response to the beliefs in that show would be and it would make my reaction to my taxes look good. Besides, it replace _West Wing_, a sin in and of itself 😉 and it’s up against _Mythbusters_ and, on BBC America, _Coupling_! It wasn’t exactly a tough decision, even if both were reruns. Oh, by the way, I agree. **cuauhtemoc** is a genius! CJ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-revelations-tv-miniseries/299223.md?page=6)