# I pit the South **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 1, 2020, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725 "2020-03-01T00:05:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/81 "2020-03-05T01:14:14Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I concede that my perspective might be colored a bit by [my state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Idaho#/media/File:Idaho_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg). The capital is in one of those red counties, the pale one to the lower left. (I’m not sure _what_ is in the blue ones. Cows? Liberal cows?) Cows are definitely liberal. Let’s look: they’re anti-gun, vegetarian, decide everything by consensus, and enjoy classical music, just for starters. I bet they’re some of the illegal voters who are putting Democrats into office. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/82 "2020-03-05T02:04:31Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Pretty sure that’s not location dependent. I know it’s hard to believe but in some locations clear English is clear English and not dependent upon how it placates the vocal few. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/83 "2020-03-05T02:23:51Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I know it’s hard to believe but in some locations clear English is clear English and not dependent upon how it placates the vocal few. Clear communication, you believe, does not depend on communicating clearly with the intended audience. If that’s not what you mean, you’re still not communicating clearly. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/84 "2020-03-05T03:23:10Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > If Lincoln had only built [Calutrons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calutron), Sherman could have done a proper job on Atlanta. Atlanta? You mean the home of Martin Luther King, John Lewis, and Andrew Young? The city that’s been represented in Congress by two black congressmen since 2007 (one of whom has held his seat since 1987?) The town whose last white mayor - who was Jewish - left office in 1974, and which is currently led by its second female African-American chief executive? The burg which Stacey Abrams, a black woman, won by 72% in the 2018 gubernatorial race? The sanctuary city which was the first in Georgia to pass a law forbidding discrimination on basis of gender identity and orientation, nearly two decades ago? Yeah, fuck that racist shithole. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/85 "2020-03-05T03:35:12Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Right, so your tu quoque is entirely meaningless here. > > Thanks for confirming that. > > It’s not _that_ hard to move out of Alabama. What is the statistic, 40% of Americans don’t have $400 dollars on hand for emergency expenses? Geez you’re ignorant aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/86 "2020-03-05T04:18:42Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Bryant got 544,851 votes in a state with a population of of nearly three million people. Less than one in five Mississippeans cast a vote for him. If you take the time to add one more word to your pit–instead of pitting Mississippi, pit Mississippi Republicans–your rant’s precision improves by like ten million percent. You could look at it that only 348K people voted _against_ Bryant (that looks like the 2011 election result) in other words, 8 out of every 9 Mississippeans are just fine with Bryant. 4 years later, even fewer people (a mere 241K) bothered to vote against him. Basically, 11 out of every 12 people in Mississippi seem to like him enough quo that they either actively voted for him or passively sat back while he was elected. 90+% of Mississippi is effectively pro-Bryant. Why shouldn’t those people be part of the pitting? We’re in a democracy; the people _are_ the government. At a certain point (well below 90%), the terribleness of the government is a reflection of the electorate. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/87 "2020-03-05T04:19:42Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I know it’s hard to believe but in some locations clear English is clear English and not dependent upon how it placates the vocal few. No, what I meant was that you’re an idiot who couldn’t argue his way out of a paper sack. Sorry I didn’t make that more clear. Somehow, I’m still overestimating you. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/88 "2020-03-05T07:21:01Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > No, what I meant was that you’re an idiot who couldn’t argue his way out of a paper sack. > > Sorry I didn’t make that more clear. Somehow, I’m still overestimating you. Perhaps I am an idiot but I can at least read clear and simple English and I don’t change my opinion to please a crowd. Anyways, the south of the US has roughly 124,753,948 people. Mexico has a population of 129 mil. If one was to characterize the nation of Mexico the way the southern region is characterized would that be tolerated? You folks have a serious blind spot for extraordinarily derogatory speech at large groups of folks as long as the group isn’t a group you have affinity for. In elections, Trump’s wife and ex wife were referred to with no comment at all as prostitutes. Good luck escaping notice and sanction if a prominent Democratic woman or spouse of a Democrat were referred to as such. Now, it’s clearly impossible to prove what folks don’t want to see. That’s fine. I don’t need to prove anything to communicate what I want communicated. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/89 "2020-03-05T16:37:14Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Perhaps I am an idiot but I can at least read clear and simple English and I don’t change my opinion to please a crowd. Or when facts show you to be dead wrong. Not a positive characteristic. > [@octopus](#): > > Anyways, the south of the US has roughly 124,753,948 people. Mexico has a population of 129 mil. If one was to characterize the nation of Mexico the way the southern region is characterized would that be tolerated? The Right would not only tolerate it, but might elect you president. > [@octopus](#): > > You folks have a serious blind spot for extraordinarily derogatory speech at large groups of folks as long as the group isn’t a group you have affinity for. In elections, Trump’s wife and ex wife were referred to with no comment at all as prostitutes. Good luck escaping notice and sanction if a prominent Democratic woman or spouse of a Democrat were referred to as such. Bullshit. You are blaming everyone on the left for what one person said. Therefore you, personally, are responsible for every shitty thing Trump has ever said. Fair? > [@octopus](#): > > Now, it’s clearly impossible to prove what folks don’t want to see. That’s fine. I don’t need to prove anything to communicate what I want communicated. You are communicating that you are full of shit. That message is coming through clearly. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/90 "2020-03-05T18:47:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Where is your sanctimonious tut-tutting with the broad based attacks on a whole region? Or do you only care when someone on the left gets poked? Hypocrit. Ha! I actually agree with **LHoD** ’s criticism of the OP, and I’ve criticized such broad-brushing from the left many times on this board (which you always seem to conveniently forget). I’ve also been critical of misogynistic language used against conservative women (such as against Al Franken’s accuser). I’m piling onto you here because your shtick is so lazy, one-note, and repetitive – you’re a hive of one, buzzing over and over again with thought-free nonsense criticism of the board, never actually taking the effort to be specific, while interesting (and non-interesting) discussions and disagreements are going on all around you. The board is far from perfect, but your criticism is lazy, non-specific, uninteresting, and entirely useless. If you want to improve the board, be a better poster and actually put effort and thought into your posts. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/91 "2020-03-05T19:59:00Z")
I pit people who are ignorant enough to stereotype entire populations with one broad brush stroke. Yeah it’s easier that way, but it isn’t correct. Take a look at the [popular vote map from the 2016 Cliton Vs. Trump election](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/2016_Nationwide_US_presidential_county_map_shaded_by_vote_share.svg). There’s a lot of light red and blue in the South isn’t there? The South isn’t for everyone. Don’t let the door hit ya in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/92 "2020-03-05T22:21:11Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Calling the hive what it is is orders of magnitude nicer than how the hive behaves. > [@begbert2](#): > > Okay, let’s look at this. > > You’re asserting you’re right about us being a hive. That’s your _ **entire defense** _ here - you’re minimizing your slur in order to make it less bad than us slurring the south (and whatever else you’re including in “how the hive behaves”.) That’s exactly what he’s doing. So I suppose he won’t have any objection to me doing the same thing. Ahem: _Accepting money to hold elective office as a Republican; holding elective office as a Republican; encouraging voters to put a Republican in elective office; and voting to put a Republican in elective office; these activities are all crimes against decency, and render their perpetrators beneath contempt._ Whew! Feels pretty good! I guess I can grok how **octopus** can derive gratification from it. > [@begbert2](#): > > The thing is, though, is your assertion is full of shit, and you’re full of shit, and it’s patently clear to all of us rolling our eyes over here that you _know_ you’re full of shit. Killjoy. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/93 "2020-03-05T22:25:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, some people, somewhere, are angry because Trump called certain countries “shithole countries,” and this is relevant to the moderation of this board… how, exactly? > [@octopus](#): > > Lol, you know I can’t win a debate around here. I haven’t yet seen you trying the strategy of “not being factually wrong.” Think that might help? ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/94 "2020-03-05T22:48:15Z")
I apologized for the OP earlier in this thread but I don’t know that everyone saw that, especially those who have only begun reading the post. I was pitting the South broadly as a region, not all, or even a great majority, of southerners. The are plenty of them, millions of them, who are not like the people I “quoted” in the OP. And plenty of people in other states who are. The OP was an over-the-top pissed off rant after a discussion on a Facebook page devoted to my hometown, and I didn’t think I would be taken seriously when I said the South should secede. The only ones who really want that are the boogalooers, who I referenced. But why would readers here know that, no one here knows me personally and it’s like I have made 10,000 posts for people to know me that way. In today’s political climate you have to be very careful about what you say and I was not. But I am not a northern hippie liberal who knows nothing about the south, I spent the first 30 years of my life there. Regarding my comments about followers of Jesus, I was born in southwest Virginia and was brought up in a Baptist church. When I was about 10 I got saved. And I knew a lot of hypocritcal “Christians” and saw people like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson on TV and eventually left the church. But not everyone in the church is like Falwell. She is kind and loving and generous and forgiving, just like Jesus said his followers should be, and I know others in her church who are like that. If I could go back and delete or even edit the OP I would, but I can’t. I can only say I am sorry about it. ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/95 "2020-03-05T23:13:37Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > I just want to point out that the cities of Texas are, by and large, [quite blue](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Texas#/media/File:Texas_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg), and an awful lot of Texans live in the cities. Down near the border is also very blue. Trump won 52% of the vote. There are lots of liberal Texans. Yeah, one of the things I trot out when the Texas-bashing starts is this: If you add up 2016 votes for Hillary Clinton from Vermont, Maine, Delaware, Rhode Island, Hawaii, DC, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Nevada, and Connecticut–all places where she won–you get about the same number of votes as she got in Texas. More people voted for Clinton in Texas than did in Illinois. We’re fighting against systemic disadvantages down here, and blanket insults aimed at the state or the region _do not help us_. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/96 "2020-03-05T23:57:00Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > I apologized for the OP earlier in this thread but I don’t know that everyone saw that, especially those who have only begun reading the post. I was pitting the South broadly as a region, not all, or even a great majority, of southerners. If we’re pitting the South broadly as a region, I’ll chime in: I hear the humidity _sucks!_ ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/97 "2020-03-06T00:24:45Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > If we’re pitting the South broadly as a region, I’ll chime in: I hear the humidity _sucks!_ Not bad in Virginia but I’ll be in Miami in July. My company has an apartment where I can stay, have a feeling we’ll be spending the daylight hours on the balcony with the door open and the A/C blowing out. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/98 "2020-03-06T00:42:25Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > Not bad in Virginia but I’ll be in Miami in July. My company has an apartment where I can stay, have a feeling we’ll be spending the daylight hours on the balcony with the door open and the A/C blowing out. Not bad in Virginia? You must have avoided Richmond. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/99 "2020-03-06T00:44:24Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I don’t do ignore. And I don’t have a problem dunking on moronic shitstains in the Pit a little. It’s not like I’m expecting to ‘win’ or change their minds; trolls don’t have minds to change. /atmb/ Amen - I couldn’t have said it better. DNFTT, especially in the pit, isn’t something I put too much stock in. Pick your battles, I guess, for the chortle-worts. /atmb/ > [@QuickSilver](#): > > So let me see if I understand this. There are a bunch of rednecks in southern state, who want to secede from the rest of the country, and they called their movement “the boogaloo”. Named after a 1984 low budget film,“Electiric Boogaloo”, by two Israeli directors, about break dancing, featuring a large cast of minorities… > irresponsible of us not to encourage this. They are literally too fucking stupid to get this figured out on their own. > [@Loach](#): > > The term doesn’t come from some illiterate rednecks. It comes from computer savvy 8chan anti-government trolls. > [@Muffin](#): > > Anti-Defamation League on the development of the term: > [You are being redirected...](https://www.adl.org/blog/the-boogaloo-extremists-new-slang-term-for-a-coming-civil-war) Nope. [Ringo](https://youtu.be/mZ4EmA5X-PQ?t=79) was the well-spring, the true origin, the genesis from which it came forth, like some orgiastic Terence Mallick-like explosion of primordial magma or something. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-south/848725/100 "2020-03-09T14:54:20Z")
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