They don’t, and in fact I doubt many of them think about immigration much, if at all… The sovereign citizen is concerned about THEMSELVES, and how they can solve their personal problems.
It’s not, for the most part, a political movement.
If the government is a scam, why do they want paper money printed and backed by that government?
Hey, stop foisting your RW nutbags on us. First it was the libertarians, then the “anarcho-capitalists” and now Sovereign citizens?
Naah, fuck that noise.
If they’re not left wing, they’re not anarchists. SovCits don’t give a damn about anyone except themselves. That’s anathema to anarchism.
Also, some of y’all have some fucked-up ideas of what being an anarchist entails…
I think you’re confusing “anarchists” with “mountain men”…
Every conversation I’ve had about anarchism goes roughly like this:
Anarchist: Wouldn’t it be great to have No Government™?
Me: Haiti is having a period of no government right now and it doesn’t seem to be going so great.
Anarchist: Actually, the term No Government™ refers to a very specific type of socialist government.
Me: Is “false advertising” a crime under this form of government?
In the US at least, a lot of them make some distinction between “types” of citizens, bases on the 14th amendment. So the “proper” (White, naturally) citizens get all the good stuff, while the other citizens (Blacks, women, et al.) have to follow the rules.
What does any of that have to do with hermits or primitivists?
I’d be hard pressed to summarize anarchism with any other single sentence better than “The state has no legitimate right to enforce its wishes (laws, taxes, regulations, etc.) on the private citizen.” That is, a first glance, what SovCits believe.
Please explain how that entails living without modernity or being a hermit.
And (as has been pointed out) Sovereign Citizens don’t believe that no state has that right, just the current state(s))
Well both things have a long tradition in anarchism going back to Henry Thoreau and Tolstoy.
Neither of those actually lived in any way freely and independently, both highly dependent on friends and family.
Peasant cosplay is all well and good if that’s your kink, but it’s not actual independence.
Heartily disagree. They are entitled fucks that have built in their own minds a scenario where they get all of the rights, privileges and immunities of American citizenship yet have no responsibilities as a citizen such as follow the law, pay taxes, pay state fees, etc. If they are ignorant then it is willful viz. let me stop researching this as soon as I find something online that says what I want it to say.
I watch these SovCit traffic stop videos and I’m at the point of “Stop talking to them and just fucking arrest them, impound their car and let the judge deal with them.” You can’t educate these people by the side of the road because they don’t want to be educated. Deep down they know they’re full of shit but they are like pathological liars - if I keep lying long enough and stick to it eventually everyone will believe me.
And don’t get me started on the People’s Front Of Judea 
Note that I and possibly others in this thread talking about “living off the grid” have largely not been comparing SovCits to anarchists, but rather this is a reference to people like the Montana Freemen, who were SovCits. That’s the sort of thing that can happen when they actually start to act on their beliefs to extremism.
A white supremacist survivalist group called the Posse Comitatus was an old group that sort of evolved into the Sovereign Citizen movement.
There are many ties between SovCits and survivalism (what you call “living without modernity or being a hermit”).
If they buy and own property, even if they live in a tent on it, it still gets taxed. And good luck supplying yourself without the use of roads. Sure, maybe you can hunt and fish and do sustenance farming. But you are going to run out of stuff.
And none of them want that kind of life. Oh, maybe some could survive for a while on National Forest land. It would be fun for a week or two. Bring a good tent and prepare to walk. A lot.
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My emphasis.
I used to believe (like some people in this thread seem to believe) that anarchists wanted a world without organization (thus the references to post offices and the like), when in fact as I came to realize what they want is a world without coercion, organization would still exist but without forcing anyone to participate (@MrDibble please correct me if I’m wrong).
I’m not sure that it would work, but at least I’m not misrepresenting their views anymore.
The whole SovCit thing is not really that different from a cargo cult. They’ve seen a bunch of times where a law they support - something like banning gay marriage, or randomly checking people’s IDs to make sure they aren’t illegal immigrants - gets struck down because of Constitutional issues. They’ve internalized this idea that if there’s a law you don’t like, there’s this other “secret” law you can apply to ignore it and continue doing what you want. They have no idea how this actually works, of course, and that’s the “in” used by the grifters pushing this con: they’re selling access to the magic words that make laws not apply to you.
Agree w your disagreement. I got a little too carried away quoting Blazing Saddles and left a bunch of baby out of my bathwater. Thanks.
As pointed out by others above, many of these folks start out by sucking at adulting then get in minor trouble with the law or creditors or both. But their inherently contrarian personality and greater ego than intellect drives them in the direction of more wanting to find a way to kick over the chessboard rather than wanting to play to win.
So a toxic stew of selfish plus stupid. But you’re fully right that most SovCits are more monumentally selfish / contrarian than they are ordinarily stupid.
I have no comment on the side conversation about what is or isn’t an anarchist and how they compare to SovCits. But I have to compliment the esteemed @MrDibble on this most excellent turn of phrase:
Bravo Good Sir.
I think the closest are the libertarian Freemen of the Land. Many of those call who themselves Freemen but they are really SovCits. I’m talking about the ones that feel that by natural law, you can’t require a license to fish or permit to build a cabin on your land in the mountains, etc.
In some ways, this is even more childish than just wanting anarchy. It’s utterly dependent on non-anarchists following the rules so that the organization everybody wants/needs doesn’t collapse.
For all their supposed independence, they’re bigger mooches than anyone. It’s like a guy lecturing me about living free off the land while he’s crashing on my couch, that I bought with my sucker corporate job.