# I pit the USA **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 9, 2016, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170 "2016-11-09T08:44:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nicky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@nicky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nicky)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/1 "2016-11-09T08:44:42Z")
You fucking idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/2 "2016-11-09T08:48:02Z")
No shit. And I agree with you. Fuck this. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/3 "2016-11-09T08:52:32Z")
Me, three. It says something really bad about our country that so many people have supported such an ignorant, bombastic, misogynistic putz. I hope he gets bored with the presidency by 2020 and decides not to run again. ---
**Author:** ![Itself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d07c76/32.png) [@Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/4 "2016-11-09T08:53:19Z")
No argument here. ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/5 "2016-11-09T09:00:52Z")
Hopefully the Democrats, from the bottom to the top, will take this whipping as a valuable lesson–time to start actually _being there_ for us left behind, rather than just running your mouths about it. They shouldn’t’ve fucked over Bernie, because Bernie, unlike Hillary, was genuine and cared about everyone, not just the elites. He’d have swept the floor with Trump. But nope - nature forbid the Audi-driving, arugula-eating “progressives” (including them damned “young professionals”) break off any of that inclusion or prosperity for the rest of us: “We’re with HER!” Well, those of us who’ve been fucked over by “her” and her fellow elites were fed up. We either didn’t vote, or protest-voted for Trump precisely so you’d get this lesson slammed in your face. You’re welcome. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/6 "2016-11-09T09:04:27Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Hopefully the Democrats, from the bottom to the top, will take this whipping as a valuable lesson–time to start actually _being there_ for us left behind, rather than just running your mouths about it. > > They shouldn’t’ve fucked over Bernie, because Bernie, unlike Hillary, was genuine and cared about everyone, not just the elites. He’d have swept the floor with Trump. But nope - nature forbid the Audi-driving, arugula-eating “progressives” (including them damned “young professionals”) break off any of that inclusion or prosperity for the rest of us: “We’re with HER!” > > Well, those of us who’ve been fucked over by “her” and her fellow elites were fed up. We either didn’t vote, or protest-voted for Trump precisely so you’d get this lesson slammed in your face. You’re welcome. 🙂 You know you’re just as fucked as the rest of us, right? Unless you’re posting from an alternate dimension. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/7 "2016-11-09T09:06:53Z")
I wish I could disagree with this pitting…but in the short term we are fucked. Let us hope that the blast radius is small enough that we can crawl out some time in the future. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/8 "2016-11-09T09:07:22Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Hopefully the Democrats, from the bottom to the top, will take this whipping as a valuable lesson–time to start actually _being there_ for us left behind, rather than just running your mouths about it. > > They shouldn’t’ve fucked over Bernie, because Bernie, unlike Hillary, was genuine and cared about everyone, not just the elites. He’d have swept the floor with Trump. But nope - nature forbid the Audi-driving, arugula-eating “progressives” (including them damned “young professionals”) break off any of that inclusion or prosperity for the rest of us: “We’re with HER!” > > Well, those of us who’ve been fucked over by “her” and her fellow elites were fed up. We either didn’t vote, or protest-voted for Trump precisely so you’d get this lesson slammed in your face. You’re welcome. 🙂 A protest vote for Trump is even worse than one sincerely cast. Welcome your lips to my ass. ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/9 "2016-11-09T09:17:57Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > You know you’re just as fucked as the rest of us, right? Unless you’re posting from an alternate dimension. Heh, I have been and would have been fucked either way, so at least the way that the country went taught the Democrats a lesson. Now, whether they’ll actually _listen and learn_… well, I ain’t holding my breath. ---
**Author:** ![Club\_33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@Club\_33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Club_33)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/10 "2016-11-09T09:24:42Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Heh, I have been and would have been fucked either way, so at least the way that the country went taught the Democrats a lesson. A lesson at the expense of a great many people who will now lose their healthcare. A lesson at the expense of a stacked Supreme Court. Your actions don’t just harm Democrats. They harm everyone. Sleep well, asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/11 "2016-11-09T09:32:01Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Heh, I have been and would have been fucked either way, so at least the way that the country went taught the Democrats a lesson. > > Now, whether they’ll actually _listen and learn_… well, I ain’t holding my breath. How’d that work out for you in 2000, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/12 "2016-11-09T09:33:30Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Hopefully the Democrats, from the bottom to the top, will take this whipping as a valuable lesson–time to start actually _being there_ for us left behind, rather than just running your mouths about it. > **[Why Can't Clinton Connect With Coal Miners?](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/coal-miners-americas-political-canaries/483491/)** > > The Democratic candidate has detailed, practical plans to help Appalachia—so why aren’t voters there listening? The bizarre thing here? Clinton actually had detailed, well-explained plans to help, um, you guys. She laid it all out, nice and clear, what she planned to do to deal with the problems your communities were suffering from, how to help deal with the opioid epidemic, how to help fix Obamacare’s health costs, and more. She had a slew of policies all laid out and ready to go for you guys. What has Trump offered you? What has he actually proposed doing? What realistic policy proposals has he floated which will help you? And given how completely he’s lied about every other proposal he’s made, why in god’s name would you _trust_ him? You fucking idiots. You _complete_ fucking idiots. And that’s not even getting into all the other shit he’s going to hurt. The healthcare advances he’ll roll back. The ways he’ll make life harder for LGBT individuals. The violence visited upon muslims. I hope you’re real fuckin’ proud of yourself. Spitting in the face of the establishment by electing someone with no interest in or ability to help you. ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/13 "2016-11-09T09:33:59Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > How’d that work out for you in 2000, huh? Can’t say much about 2000; I was eight years old back then and was more concerned about what was on Nickelodeon that evening than a presidential election. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Scribble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scribble/32/3317_2.png) [@Scribble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scribble)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/14 "2016-11-09T09:37:55Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Me, three. It says something really bad about our country that so many people have supported such an ignorant, bombastic, misogynistic putz. I hope he gets bored with the presidency by 2020 and decides not to run again. I hope he gets impeached. Quickly. Oh, and I’d like Pence to be wished into the cornfield or otherwise become unable to take Trump’s place. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/15 "2016-11-09T09:41:50Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Can’t say much about 2000; I was eight years old back then and was more concerned about what was on Nickelodeon that evening than a presidential election. 😛 You should go back to watching Nickelodeon. ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/16 "2016-11-09T10:04:50Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > [The Key Difference in How Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton Approach Problems - The Atlantic](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/coal-miners-americas-political-canaries/483491/) > > The bizarre thing here? Clinton actually had detailed, well-explained plans to help, um, you guys. She laid it all out, nice and clear, what she planned to do to deal with the problems your communities were suffering from, how to help deal with the opioid epidemic, how to help fix Obamacare’s health costs, and more. She had a slew of policies all laid out and ready to go for you guys. > > What has Trump offered you? What has he actually proposed doing? What realistic policy proposals has he floated which will help you? And given how completely he’s lied about every other proposal he’s made, why in god’s name would you _trust_ him? > > You fucking idiots. > > You _complete_ fucking idiots. > > And that’s not even getting into all the other shit he’s going to hurt. The healthcare advances he’ll roll back. The ways he’ll make life harder for LGBT individuals. The violence visited upon muslims. > > I hope you’re real fuckin’ proud of yourself. Spitting in the face of the establishment by electing someone with no interest in or ability to help you. Trump is light-years ahead of Hillary on the “Trustability” scale. The Clintons would sell self-destructing food to the Haitians (and, in a way, they _actually did_ things about equivalent) while talking all this game about how much they “care” about them. Bill Clinton sat up here claiming how much he was the candidate who was about uplifting the downtrodden - he then proceeded to pull down his pants and underwear, spread his cheeks, and unleash a torrent of diarrhea on us. Those of us that are old enough remember that; those like me who were kids at the time have talked to many of those old enough to remember it, and done our own research. So, come Democratic primary time, we came out strong for Bernie… only to see him get hosed by the Democrat elite - from the “young professionals” all the way up to Hillary herself. Hillary has given no indication she’s any different (that is, less sleazy) than Mr. Sexual Relations himself, so many of us either stayed home, voted for Jill Stein or another real progressive, or protest-voted for Trump - because another damn Bill was not what we needed. It represents the continuation of the status damn quo. Fuck that noise. Whether Trump turns out to be a decent progressive president - the possibility is distinct - or he wrecks the fuck outta the place - our hands are clean. It was the elites who fucked up. Time to them to learn from this experience and come back to us next go-around humbled and ready to break the rest of us off some of that Kit-Kat bar. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/17 "2016-11-09T10:06:32Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Hillary has given no indication she’s any different (that is, less sleazy) than Mr. Sexual Relations himself, so many of us either stayed home, voted for Jill Stein or another real progressive, or protest-voted for Trump - because another damn Bill was not what we needed. But what you _do_ need is another Hitler? Screw you. You and your ilk are so committed to making the perfect the enemy of the good that you’d rather elect a tyrant who _hates_ you and will _actively fuck you over_ because you didn’t get everything you wanted. You’re an embarrassment to this country. > [@](#): > > Whether Trump turns out to be a decent progressive president - the possibility is distinct - or he wrecks the fuck outta the place - our hands are clean. It was the elites who fucked up. Time to them to learn from this experience and come back to us next go-around humbled and ready to break the rest of us off some of that Kit-Kat bar. I reiterate - your fellow travelers tried that in 2000. Are we better off for it? Everyone who dies because of Trump, every life that’s ruined - that’s on you now. Their blood is on your hands. Hope you can sleep with that. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/18 "2016-11-09T10:29:55Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Trump is light-years ahead of Hillary on the “Trustability” scale. You fucking idiot. You complete fucking idiot. Do you even have any idea how much Trump lied? In the first presidential debate, he lied, on average, about once per minute talking - each time a different lie. His lying is so unprecedented that we simply became numb to it, as each lie he told spiralled into the next. [He’s made more high-profile lies in this campaign than all other politicians combined](http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/donald-trumps-worst-lies-by-the-numbers). For example, his claim to have a plan to deal with ISIS? [Lie](http://www.mediaite.com/online/donald-trump-just-admitted-he-has-no-plan-for-defeating-isis/). He didn’t have a plan. But he banked much of his support on the idea that he would be the tough guy who could deal with ISIS. Trump’s nomination speech, which painted a picture of America as a crime-ridden, failing country? Lie - crime is at all-time lows and the economy is doing pretty darn well. Trump’s claim about illegal immigrants bringing crime with which he started his campaign? [Lie](http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798). Almost every policy issue he’s offered has been backed up with lies. And then there’s his transparency, or lack thereof. He’s the first presidential candidate to refuse to release his tax returns in half a century. He’s the first presidential candidate to refuse to place his business assets in a blind trust (to avoid corruption). He’s got countless links to Russia, who has helped him throughout the election, and there’s no way of even following how many conflicts of interest there are because he’s hiding so much shit. But no, it’s CLINTON who is the sleazy, untrustworthy one. What the ever-loving fuck is wrong with you?! > [@](#): > > Hillary has given no indication she’s any different (that is, less sleazy) than Mr. Sexual Relations himself, so many of us either stayed home, voted for Jill Stein or another real progressive, or protest-voted for Trump - because another damn Bill was not what we needed. It represents the continuation of the status damn quo. Fuck that noise. Because the status quo - with our situation gradually improving bit by bit since the crash of '08 - is so much worse than doing a 180 straight into a tree. > [@](#): > > Whether Trump turns out to be a decent progressive president - the possibility is distinct - or he wrecks the fuck outta the place - our hands are clean. It was the elites who fucked up. The party of personal responsibility, ladies and gentlemen. No, you fucking fucking fucking IDIOT, if Trump wrecks the fuck outta the place, just as me and every other person with a goddamn brain predicted would happen following this election, for reasons that are entirely evident if you actually took five minutes to look at his policy proposals and character, you do not get to blame “the elites”. The elites did not take your ballot and stamp it “Donald J. Trump” for you. That’s on you. That’s your fault. Take some goddamn responsibility for it, you fucking tool. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/19 "2016-11-09T10:38:42Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Whether Trump turns out to be a decent progressive president - the possibility is distinct - or he wrecks the fuck outta the place - our hands are clean. It was the elites who fucked up. Time to them to learn from this experience and come back to us next go-around humbled and ready to break the rest of us off some of that Kit-Kat bar. 🙂 I see nothing in Trump’s words or actions that suggest a progressive attitude. Nothing. He is a little rich boy who was gifted a fortune and has manged not to lose it, that is it. He is no entrepreneurial genius and has been indulged and fawned over all his life. If it comes to an executive decision that will hurt him personally but help the little people massively, I think he’ll choose himself every time. And when he can’t choose his own self-interest I suspect he will lose his shit. The best you can hope for is that he is so incompetent that wiser heads around him deflect him from whatever course he decides on. And foreign policy? The major world leaders will push all his buttons and eat him for breakfast. A prediction from me would be that Russia tests his resolve very, very quickly as will all major terrorist organisations, expect a Russian incursion or expansion before next Christmas. Then we’ll see what he’s made of…lard, hairspray, fake tan and self-loathing I suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/20 "2016-11-09T10:40:38Z")
But… But conservatives have been telling us that the world has no respect for wimpy Obama! Surely seeing a strong man like Trump in the White House will make them all pay homage? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170.md?page=2)