# I pit the USA **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 9, 2016, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170 "2016-11-09T08:44:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/21 "2016-11-09T10:41:28Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Trump is light-years ahead of Hillary on the “Trustability” scale. The Clintons would sell self-destructing food to the Haitians (and, in a way, they _actually did_ things about equivalent) while talking all this game about how much they “care” about them. > > Bill Clinton sat up here claiming how much he was the candidate who was about uplifting the downtrodden - he then proceeded to pull down his pants and underwear, spread his cheeks, and unleash a torrent of diarrhea on us. Those of us that are old enough remember that; those like me who were kids at the time have talked to many of those old enough to remember it, and done our own research. > > So, come Democratic primary time, we came out strong for Bernie… only to see him get hosed by the Democrat elite - from the “young professionals” all the way up to Hillary herself. > > Hillary has given no indication she’s any different (that is, less sleazy) than Mr. Sexual Relations himself, so many of us either stayed home, voted for Jill Stein or another real progressive, or protest-voted for Trump - because another damn Bill was not what we needed. It represents the continuation of the status damn quo. Fuck that noise. > > Whether Trump turns out to be a decent progressive president - the possibility is distinct - or he wrecks the fuck outta the place - our hands are clean. It was the elites who fucked up. Time to them to learn from this experience and come back to us next go-around humbled and ready to break the rest of us off some of that Kit-Kat bar. 🙂 Yeah, that’s all great when you’re not trans, not gay, not black or muslim or latinx, or those who couldn’t afford insurance. I’m sympathetic to the fact that people don’t like Hillary. Fine. The establishment sucks? Totally agree, but don’t **ever** take the moral high ground by endangering peoples livelihoods just to send a message for some perverted “ends justify the means” scenario. You don’t like that your guy lost? Then work with the Democratic establishment to change the process from the inside over time. Campaign early. Form local progressive chapters to GOTV in the primaries for the next election cycle. This isn’t the Mafia and you’re not the Godfather, don’t send people messages by decapitating their horse and throwing it in their bed. Send a sternly worded letter like a regular person. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/22 "2016-11-09T10:42:48Z")
I hear there is a massive earthquake somewhere on the East Coast. Our founding fathers are turning over in their graves. “I guess we were wrong.” ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/23 "2016-11-09T10:52:00Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > Yeah, that’s all great when you’re not trans, not gay, not black or muslim or latinx, or those who couldn’t afford insurance. I’m sympathetic to the fact that people don’t like Hillary. Fine. The establishment sucks? Totally agree, but don’t **ever** take the moral high ground by endangering peoples livelihoods just to send a message for some perverted “ends justify the means” scenario. > > You don’t like that your guy lost? Then work with the Democratic establishment to change the process from the inside over time. Campaign early. Form local progressive chapters to GOTV in the primaries for the next election cycle. This isn’t the Mafia and you’re not the Godfather, don’t send people messages by decapitating their horse and throwing it in their bed. Send a sternly worded letter like a regular person. I’m black and gay, for the record. Do you not think I tried? Because I did. I tried that tired-ass “work with the establishment” mess. Up to volunteering almost every dayum day for Wendy Davis back in '14. The Democratic establishment 'round these parts showed me through their actions they don’t so much as see me as a human being with value. Fuck 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/24 "2016-11-09T10:53:21Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > The Democratic establishment 'round these parts showed me through their actions they don’t so much as see me as a human being with value. And you think Donald Trump _does_? ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/25 "2016-11-09T10:55:19Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And you think Donald Trump _does_? Nope. Once again: fucked either way; at least this way the establishment gets a wake up call. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/26 "2016-11-09T10:56:45Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > I’m black and gay, for the record. :smack: Well, I hope you weren’t looking to get married. Or vote in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/27 "2016-11-09T11:01:07Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Nope. Once again: fucked either way; at least this way the establishment gets a wake up call. 🙂 And how many millions of others are getting “fucked” for the sake of your childish games? Do you even _care_ about what happens to anyone besides yourself as the result of your actions? ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/28 "2016-11-09T11:01:41Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > :smack: > > Well, I hope you weren’t looking to get married. > > Or vote in 2020. Yes I am and yes-a-roony, Henny Penny. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/29 "2016-11-09T11:02:58Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Yes I am and yes-a-roony, Henny Penny. Then you voted for the wrong candidate, dumbass. Hope you enjoy spending the rest of your life as a third-class citizen, because that’s what your “slap-in-the-face to the Democratic establishment” is going to get you. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/30 "2016-11-09T11:04:30Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > I’m black and gay, for the record. Don’t forget stupid. ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/31 "2016-11-09T11:05:05Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Then you voted for the wrong candidate, dumbass. Jill Stein. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/32 "2016-11-09T11:05:53Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Jill Stein. And how many states did she win, hmm? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/33 "2016-11-09T11:06:07Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Nope. Once again: fucked either way; at least this way the establishment gets a wake up call. 🙂 So how would people on the ACA, women who need abortions, American Muslims and other non Christians, and institutions that worked against Trump be “equally screwed” under Clinton? That’s the part that has never made sense to me. Actually, there is one other: with a Trump win, why would it be irrational for the “establishment” to conclude that the people wants what Trump voters want, and act accordingly? ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/34 "2016-11-09T11:06:35Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And how many states did she win, hmm? So? My hands are clean, 'cause I went Green. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/35 "2016-11-09T11:08:16Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > I’m black and gay, for the record. > > Do you not think I tried? Because I did. I tried that tired-ass “work with the establishment” mess. Up to volunteering almost every dayum day for Wendy Davis back in '14. The Democratic establishment 'round these parts showed me through their actions they don’t so much as see me as a human being with value. Fuck 'em. And I’m trans and bi (oh yeah, hi SDMB, this is my first time saying that here). Do you know how many friends I have around the US tonight who are seriously considering detransitioning because of this? That’s not even counting my many friends of other various religious, ethnic, and sexual minorities who are despondent and concerned in various ways. Or my friend who just got diagnosed with a thyroid issue because of her Obamacare and now is worried she won’t be able to keep her insurance and won’t be able to get it treated. We’ve elected someone whose vice president believes in gay conversion therapy. We’ve elected a congress with the ability to pass mandatory conversion therapy laws if they got it in their heads. > [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > So? My hands are clean, 'cause I went Green. Learn basic fucking political science. Learn game theory. That’s not how first past the post voting systems work. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/36 "2016-11-09T11:09:33Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > So? My hands are clean, 'cause I went Green. Your hands are soaked with the blood of all the people who are going to die needlessly because you enabled a Trump victory, just like your fellow useful idiots did when they voted Nader and handed the country to Bush. You failed to do your most fundamental patriotic duty to vote for someone who has the best interests of the American people in mind. You’re to blame for the consequences. ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/37 "2016-11-09T11:12:27Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > Learn basic fucking political science. Learn game theory. That’s not how first past the post voting systems work. Learnt it; got an A, too. Graduated summa cum laude overall. I chose to stand on principle this election, and I ain’t ashamed of it one picogram of an iota. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/38 "2016-11-09T11:14:12Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > I chose to stand on principle this election No you didn’t. You chose to cast a troll vote because you didn’t get everything you wanted handed to you on a silver platter. ---
**Author:** ![DoggyDunnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DoggyDunnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoggyDunnit)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/39 "2016-11-09T11:30:21Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Hope you enjoy spending the rest of your life as a third-class citizen, because that’s what your “slap-in-the-face to the Democratic establishment” is going to get you. I’m **already** a “third-class citizen”. Always have been. Despite my best efforts, I’ve been relegated to _persona non grata_ amongst both my fellow black people (“he acts ‘too white’”) and amongst the other gays (most gays missed the memo that they’re no longer in high school). I ain’t the only black and/or gay guy who has been done this way and who refused to support Clinton. I know several others who voted for Stein, as well as one who voted for Trump, and another who wrote in Soltysik. Hell, I’ll freely admit that part of my decision was to teach those assholes a lesson, too. The elite transcends race, sexuality, et cetera - they needed a lesson about leaving people out for no fucking reason just as much as the party high-ups needed the same damn thing. You throw people off the bus just for kicks; don’t be surprised when certain people you did wrong pull out knives and slash the tires. You made us walk with our luggage; you gonna be made to do the same damn thing. It ain’t like things’d have gotten any better with Clinton in office - which is what y’all’re acting like. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170/40 "2016-11-09T11:31:23Z")
> [@DoggyDunnit](#): > > Learnt it; got an A, too. Graduated summa cum laude overall. > > I chose to stand on principle this election, and I ain’t ashamed of it one picogram of an iota. Because, as we have established at numerous points, YOU ARE AN IDIOT. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-usa/771170.md?page=3)