# I pit the useless fucking Electoral College **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 19, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186 "2016-12-19T22:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ganthet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@ganthet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ganthet)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/21 "2016-12-20T01:26:25Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > Bullshit. Trump won because of lazy and apathetic Democrat voters that assumed that Mrs. Clinton was a shoo-in. > > The people that voted for Trump ARE America’s most stupid and/or most uninformed Americans. They always will be, and the only cure for that is to out-vote them…which Democrats failed to do this time. Given how tight the election was advertised by the media, particularly with the last minute Comey letters, it seems a bit more likely that the Democrats and left-leaning independents who didn’t vote (and in particular, African-Americans), just weren’t particularly inspired to do so and didn’t have any love for Hillary, even when faced with a possible Trump presidency. To win, Democrats are going to have to run someone whose likeability numbers are higher than his/her unlikeability numbers and has an organization that won’t take any state (other than perhaps the traditional big three - California, New York, and Illinois) for granted. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/22 "2016-12-20T01:31:52Z")
> [@ganthet](#): > > To win, Democrats are going to have to run someone whose likeability numbers are higher than his/her unlikeability numbers and has an organization that won’t take any state (other than perhaps the traditional big three - California, New York, and Illinois) for granted. No, they will never win. Now that they have control of the government the Republicans will ramp up their voter suppression to Jim Crow levels or worse. The Democrats will never be allowed to win a major election again, much less the Presidency. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/23 "2016-12-20T01:39:41Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > On the contrary, it’s the lack of such “judgementalism” that lost the election. > > Hillary lost because of all the people who stayed home because the Democrats were too busy trying to pander to angry white racists who hate everyone but themselves to convince their own base that they cared more about that base than about sucking up to the racists. > > They were pandered to, not “talked down to”. And they voted for Trump because they are bigoted sadists who wanted to hurt as many people as possible as much as possible, because they \*enjoy \*it. > > They think that they are being called racists because they are racists and know it, and despite all the pandering they hear insults being made where there aren’t any. _Pandered_ by Trump, _Talked Down To_ by the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/24 "2016-12-20T01:41:05Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > I’m glad that the moron OP is happy with the fact that, to support his attitude, faithless electors gave Trump an even bigger margin of an electoral win. Something like…7? Dems turned on Clinton like the snake she was, while only one(?) turned on Trump. > > So…yay, OP. You got a little taste of what you wanted, you sad, bitter little ignoramus. Better to have 4 years of Trump than to have the kind of chaos you were hoping for. Now go sit in a corner and suck your thumb and let the rest of us adults try to figure out a legal way to limit the damage our Cheeto-In-Chief may cause. If you think Clinton is a snake, you’re a victim of the misinformation campaign run against her. She is the most vetted person in history, and what have the found? Her foundation does good works, she had a shitty email server, and she ordered pizzas this one time. You may not agree with Clinton, but she’s not the villain that she was painted as. She’s a politician. And a good one. And because of the misinformed she lost to an imbecile who now has unlimited power (or will, once the Senate does away with the filibuster). ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/25 "2016-12-20T01:47:43Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > _Pandered_ by Trump, _Talked Down To_ by the Democrats. Doesn’t matter. We could talk UP to these morons and it won’t make any difference. They aren’t listening to _anyone_ but Fox News, Hannity, Limbaugh, Breitbart and _ **anyone** _ that promises to stick it to Liberals. No matter how you talk to them, they Don’t Know and Don’t Want To Know and WILL NOT be educated. They will ALWAYS be this way, and the _only_ solution is to outvote them. There is no “winning them over.” ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/26 "2016-12-20T01:58:31Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > That is the kind arrogant asshole judgemental bullshit that helped give Trump the election. I think that’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read here. It ranks right up there with tinfoil hats and underwater yoga. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/27 "2016-12-20T02:00:39Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > _Pandered_ by Trump, _Talked Down To_ by the Democrats. No, they were pandered to by the Democrats, who have consistently tried to win them over and try to avoid offending them even when it has cost them elections. And now it’s lost the Democrats everything. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/28 "2016-12-20T02:01:12Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > Every time an asshole statement is made, another Trump voter is created. Keep it up, and the shit will continue. > > You just don’t fucking get it. The flyover state voters wouldn’t talk to the press or pollsters, but they were pissed off and ready to throw a brick through the window after being talked down to for so long. > > The brick was named Donald Trump. > > Continue insulting them, and the Electoral College will continue to be red. I thought your last comment was the stupidest comment I’ve read here. You outdid yourself with this one. You’re on a roll! ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/29 "2016-12-20T02:03:22Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, they were pandered to by the Democrats, who have consistently tried to win them over and try to avoid offending them even when it has cost them elections. And now it’s lost the Democrats everything. Yup. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/30 "2016-12-20T02:22:51Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > This psychological meltdown 'merkins descend into every time they get a close election result they don’t like is frankly a hoot. Yes it is. The butthurt is strong on this board. This board is populated by the smartest people on the planet so if you have a differing opinion then obviously you are Evil Super Satan Hitler. > [@](#): > > Grow up. Yeah, that’s not going happen. Evidence Der Trihs and all the other whiny butthurt crybabies. > [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > You just popped in here to troll a bit, huh? So having a different opinion than you is trolling now? Butthurt much crybaby? > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And they voted for Trump because they are bigoted sadists who wanted to hurt as many people as possible as much as possible, because they \*enjoy \*it. Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Never stop being butthurt you sad pathetic little thing. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/31 "2016-12-20T02:27:38Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, they will never win. Now that they have control of the government the Republicans will ramp up their voter suppression to Jim Crow levels or worse. The Democrats will never be allowed to win a major election again, much less the Presidency. Oh, knock it off. If GWB/Cheney didn’t invoke mass disenfranchisement of those who oppose them, D’Rump & Penis have no chance of doing it. The GOP is still in greater disarray than it’s ever been at any time, don’t let the braggarts fool you. The major reason the Dems lost was because we felt we could coast this election. That’s not gonna happen next time, we’ll be out in force. Expect a major reversal in the congressional races of 2018, I predict the Dems will take back at least one branch of Congress and possibly both. And we’ll have a Democratic president again by 2020 (as long as we don’t nominate some wimpy, zero-charisma moron like Kerry, Dukakis or Mondale…) ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/32 "2016-12-20T03:23:15Z")
The Senate map for Dems doesn’t look good for 2018. (This is the class that came in with Obama’s re-election.) The House is a distinct possibility, even despite gerrymandering, as the GOP has sliced the margin pretty thin in some places. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/33 "2016-12-20T03:25:36Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Oh, knock it off. If GWB/Cheney didn’t invoke mass disenfranchisement of those who oppose them, D’Rump & Penis have no chance of doing it. Bush and Cheney put in a lot of the groundwork, such as driving out non-rightwing partisans from the government & replacing them with rightwingers; and the Republican Congress pretty much managed to keep Obama from repairing any of the damage they did. > [@buddha\_david](#): > > The major reason the Dems lost was because we felt we could coast this election. That’s not gonna happen next time, we’ll be out in force. And they’ll show up to find that their voter registration has been “lost”, or if they aren’t white that the polling places are guarded with hostile cops with orders to detain or assault anyone “suspicious”, as in anyone _not_ white. Or outright guarded by the KKK or similar groups. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/34 "2016-12-20T03:43:00Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And they’ll show up to find that their voter registration has been “lost”, or if they aren’t white that the polling places are guarded with hostile cops with orders to detain or assault anyone “suspicious”, as in anyone _not_ white. Or outright guarded by the KKK or similar groups. And here I thought the birthers and truthers were nutjobs. You just drove off with the bakery truck full of cakes. Not that anyone has ever taken you seriously to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/35 "2016-12-20T04:07:57Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > And here I thought the birthers and truthers were nutjobs. You just drove off with the bakery truck full of cakes. Why? It’s just an extension of [what they were already doing](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/15/group-accuses-mike-pence-of-voter-suppression-after-state-police-raid-registration-program-in-indiana/?utm_term=.2dc998bf879f) or have done in the past. There’s no reason to assume that they’ll suddenly develop scruples now that nobody can stop them from doing as they please. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/36 "2016-12-20T06:22:52Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, they will never win. Now that they have control of the government the Republicans will ramp up their voter suppression to Jim Crow levels or worse. The Democrats will never be allowed to win a major election again, much less the Presidency. I’m curious. Aside from the presidency, what do you consider to be “a major election”? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/37 "2016-12-20T07:06:02Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > Every time an asshole statement is made, another Trump voter is created. Keep it up, and the shit will continue. > > You just don’t fucking get it. The flyover state voters wouldn’t talk to the press or pollsters, but they were pissed off and ready to throw a brick through the window after being talked down to for so long. > > The brick was named Donald Trump. > > Continue insulting them, and the Electoral College will continue to be red. So what should we do with people who are so badly uninformed that they would vote for Donald Trump? How should we respond to this kind of divorce with reality? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/38 "2016-12-20T07:44:23Z")
And why should Trump voters demand to be treated with respect when said voters, through their votes, show absolutely none to the people who are criticizing them in the first place, usually because of demographics? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/39 "2016-12-20T07:58:59Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > And why should Trump voters demand to be treated with respect when said voters, through their votes, show absolutely none to the people who are criticizing them in the first place, usually because of demographics? So voting for the candidate of one’s choice is somehow disrespectful now? That’s quite arrogant. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186/40 "2016-12-20T08:07:23Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, they will never win. Now that they have control of the government the Republicans will ramp up their voter suppression to Jim Crow levels or worse. The Democrats will never be allowed to win a major election again, much less the Presidency. Yeah, it’ll just be like after 2000 and 9/11, when America became a one-party state and Democrats never controlled any branch of government ever again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-useless-fucking-electoral-college/775186.md?page=3)