# I pit the woman who threw her baby off a 4 story parking structure!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 25, 2011, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006 "2011-08-25T04:41:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/142 "2011-08-26T04:54:42Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > Looking sanctimonious and derailing the thread? Interesting approach you have there. Maybe your earlier deluge of snide comments weren’t meant to be taken as value judgments, but they sure seemed that way. > > Anyway, I too am boggled with why you didn’t just start off with your most recent couple of posts. While I disagree with them, the points you raise within are totally reasonable. With that said: > > **Melon** has already raised this point before, and you say it’s just an excuse, but I feel that you saying it’s an excuse is just an excuse in itself. What I’m trying to say is just how do our jokes, however one feels about them, stop anyone from expressing outrage or having a discussion about this morbid topic? Seriously, how? Jokes and discussions have co-existed here since this board’s birth. In this very thread there have already been a few posts where people got their outrage fires raging, and some people had a brief discussion about post-mortem depression. Are we supposed to feel that just because this thread doesn’t meet your standard of discourse, that suddenly means that everyone is a thread-shitter? Well, excuse us. > > And furthermore, just what exactly is there to have a ‘valid discussion’ about in this thread? Killing babies is bad. OK. Bitch sure is crazy. OK. Maybe she has post-mortem depression. OK, sure. Or maybe somebody could pipe in with ‘I too had my baby thrown off a building and I am very angry!’? For the love of God I hope not. You say that if nobody wants to talk about the above few issues, then nobody should post at all. Well, that would make a pretty short and lame thread, I feel. > > Oh, and nobody is dog-piling the OP. Nobody is being mean to the OP, and unless the OP has skin thinner than whats-his-face in another ongoing thread at the moment and somehow takes all the apathetic/dark humor personally, well then I highly doubt he feels he is being dog-piled. Honestly I can see where you’re coming from with the thread-shitting, but why you feel this is a dogpile is beyond me. > > Finally, as you alluded to before, I think your (really adorable) baby boy is clouding your perception of this whole issue. Which is totally fine. Babies are supposed to do that. But, maybe consider your stance is not as rock-solid as you might think. No, it is. It really, truly is. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/143 "2011-08-26T04:56:12Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > No, it is. It really, truly is. [You sure about that?](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGFalTRHDA&feature=related) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/144 "2011-08-26T04:59:09Z")
I can understand that, **Ogre** , but at the same time, I don’t see anything wrong with dark humor. It’s not for everyone, naturally, but I don’t think people who make such jokes are doing so because they’re sociopaths. It’s just a way of coping with all the horror we see. (BTW, how are the little one’s ears? Is she still having infections?) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/145 "2011-08-26T05:04:26Z")
The thread is repulsive, yet Ogre cannot look away! Look away! Look away! Look away, kid-be spam. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/146 "2011-08-26T05:08:22Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > No, it is. It really, truly is. That’s it then? No reply to any points raised? Just a ‘nuh-uh, yeah-huh’ bullshit waste of 1s and 0s? Fucking shit on a shingle. That was bad and you should feel bad. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/147 "2011-08-26T05:10:50Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > hahahaha > > I hope that cured you of your Holocaust-induced-laughter deficiency, **MsWhatsit**! Indeed, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/148 "2011-08-26T05:21:28Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > (BTW, how are the little one’s ears? Is she still having infections?) They’re fine, thanks for asking. We’ll see this winter, though. Christ, I hope we aren’t pulled sideways through that shit again. > [@](#): > > That’s it then? No reply to any points raised? Just a ‘nuh-uh, yeah-huh’ bullshit waste of 1s and 0s? Fucking shit on a shingle. That was bad and you should feel bad. Nope. I’ve made my point to the extent it’s going to be made. Consider your quoted remarks, though, in the context of the thread. Now, do please go on with the usual Pit posts. It’s de rigueur, and I suppose it always was. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/149 "2011-08-26T05:26:08Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > A bunch. Every now and then a dirty joke thread rolls through town and it’s packed full of Holocaust jokes, racist jokes, dead baby jokes… and from what I’ve seen they’ve always been very popular. In fact, I think a new one should be made posthaste! I guess I have missed those threads. BTW, your response seems to imply that you detected outrage in my response. No outrage. A little incredulity. But yes you’d be right to believe that I would find racist jokes objectionable as well. And if made in my presence would object. I do feel that silence in the face of hateful humor implicitly endorses the beliefs. Still, there’d be no “outrage”. Dead baby jokes? Haven’t been my sense of humor in, well something like 45 years, but I can’t get too upset over them. Wishing death on someone who may be very ill and whose actions may be as much a result of our system’s failings than her being “evil” or “a bitch”? That bothers me some. The fact that no one is interested in a serious discussion of what I think of as a serious subject? It’s the Pit, such discussion is not be expected here, juvenile behaviors are. I am free to open up a thread elsewhere if I really want that discussion. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/150 "2011-08-26T05:41:42Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I guess I have missed those threads. I made a brief Google search and couldn’t find the main one I know of. It had some pretty twisted shit in it and went on for like 15 pages if I recall correctly. I hope someone else has better luck finding and linking to it so that you can lose respect for any Dopers you still thought were decent people. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/151 "2011-08-26T05:42:43Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > They’re fine, thanks for asking. We’ll see this winter, though. Christ, I hope we aren’t pulled sideways through that shit again. > > Nope. I’ve made my point to the extent it’s going to be made. Consider your quoted remarks, though, in the context of the thread. Fine then. To each his own. > [@](#): > > Now, do please go on with the usual Pit posts. It’s de rigueur, and I suppose it always was. _fixes his white bow tie_ ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/152 "2011-08-26T12:48:55Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > What’s funnier than a dead baby? > A dead baby in a clown costume. Awesome. Three of those five are new to me. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/153 "2011-08-26T14:18:23Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Winning! I laughed. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/154 "2011-08-26T14:32:01Z")
If baby had landed right next to a nurse on a cig break, now _that_ woulda been classic. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/155 "2011-08-26T15:56:24Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > \ Maybe she has post-mortem depression. > \ I’m not sure if this is brilliant or a mistake. 😃 > [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > I made a brief Google search and couldn’t find the main one I know of. It had some pretty twisted shit in it and went on for like 15 pages if I recall correctly. I hope someone else has better luck finding and linking to it so that you can lose respect for any Dopers you still thought were decent people. > > 🙂 Decent people shouldn’t post here. Black humour has long been a healthy response to terrible situations (it probably started when we were still swinging from the trees). Would I find a Holocaust joke funny? Of course I would (I mean, if it was a funny joke). That doesn’t mean I don’t think the Holocaust was a terrible thing. The two are only slightly related, which you don’t seem to get, **Ogre**. It isn’t about thinking throwing babies from parkades is funny; it’s choosing to laugh instead of cry and tear our hair out and rend our garments. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/156 "2011-08-26T17:04:18Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I’m not sure if this is brilliant or a mistake. 😃 > > Decent people shouldn’t post here. > > Black humour has long been a healthy response to terrible situations (it probably started when we were still swinging from the trees). Would I find a Holocaust joke funny? Of course I would (I mean, if it was a funny joke). That doesn’t mean I don’t think the Holocaust was a terrible thing. The two are only slightly related, which you don’t seem to get, **Ogre**. It isn’t about thinking throwing babies from parkades is funny; it’s choosing to laugh instead of cry and tear our hair out and rend our garments. Fuck it. Not worth it. Think what you want. I have too much work to do to dick around with this today. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/157 "2011-08-26T17:16:21Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Down with this sort of thing! That’s what she said! Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/158 "2011-08-26T20:00:20Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > You got that right. Driving an uninsured motor vehicle is very irresponsible. > > Now we are hearing that she’s one of those illegal alien types, too. (And I thought all this talk about “anchor babies” was just a bunch of political hype…) She threw the baby off a parking garage, not off the side of a boat. ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dread_pirate_jimbo/32/3897_2.png) [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dread_Pirate_Jimbo)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/159 "2011-08-26T20:06:38Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > She threw the baby off a parking garage, not off the side of a boat. Maybe she was practicing her throwing technique for a planned boating trip? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/160 "2011-08-26T20:09:20Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Fuck it. Not worth it. Think what you want. I have too much work to do to dick around with this today. Good, 'cause we don’t come down to where _you_ work and knock the _dick_ out of _your_ mouth! _\_ ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006/161 "2011-08-26T21:26:11Z")
In case anyone actually cares about the details of [the real case](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/25/prosecutor-says-mom-aware-when-baby-pushed-to-fall/), some are now coming out. The woman was apparently considered by all who knew her to be a wonderful mother and very doting on her two older children. Very soon after the birth of this child she became psychiatrically ill. It was recognized enough that she was hospitalized in June. Anyone who is familiar with the nature of psychiatric care today recognizes that hospitalization today is reserved for a very few of the most ill. She was medicated after discharge but for some reason her first appointment for outpatient care, with a therapist, had not occurred until earlier this week. She speaks little English and it is not mentioned if her therapist was fluent in Spanish. The article on postpartum psychosis that I linked to earlier, by Margaret Spinelli, describes the manner in which women in that condition function; the presumption by the prosecutor that someone suffering from a psychosis is unable to plan actions or, in another cite, would be expected to curled in a fetal position, is plain ignorance. Such is not the nature of the illness. There are still many gaps in the story and much information that we do not know but so far the story is most consistent with a woman who had postpartum psychosis and who, possibly because of language and cultural barriers, was not recognized as having psychosis rather than severe depression. Also for some reason she failed to receive adequate follow up services after psychiatric hospitalization discharge. (Discharged two months ago and apparently seeing a therapist only just this week, unclear if any monitoring was done of her medication or of her response to the medication.) I feel for the father. He has been dealing with a wife lost to illness, coping with the unremitting stress of that and with managing his family for seven months. And working. Postpartum psychosis is more likely to go on to future bipolar disorder, so one can’t say that properly treated the wife he had known would be completely back as healthy as before, but certainly most go on to do fairly well even if chronically medicated. If the presumption of postpartum psychosis is correct then the baby’s death may have been completely avoidable with better outpatient services provided immediately after discharge. Maybe not. Again, psychosis can be hard to pick up on and to treat even without a language/cultural barrier and with good follow up. Now he’s lost his baby and his wife. Sorry for the inappropriate serious treatment of the matter. Back to your laughing about how funny it would have been if the baby had landed next to a nurse on a smoking break. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-woman-who-threw-her-baby-off-a-4-story-parking-structure/594006.md?page=9)