# I pit thee, SDMB Cafe Society Troglodytes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 25, 2009, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-thee-sdmb-cafe-society-troglodytes/487339 "2009-02-25T07:08:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-thee-sdmb-cafe-society-troglodytes/487339/81 "2009-02-27T20:37:22Z")
> [@Crocodiles\_And\_Boulevards](#): > > Oh come now, you obviously have seen this movie and enjoyed it. I haven’t seen it, actually, but I’m sure there must be _some_ aspect of it that could be validly criticized. Who said there wasn’t? I said I haven’t seen a valid criticism of it here, not that there aren’t any. Hell, I didn’t even say there haven’t been any here; I was legitimately asking mhendo if he’s seen any. ---
**Author:** ![Crocodiles\_And\_Boulevards](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Crocodiles\_And\_Boulevards](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crocodiles_And_Boulevards)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-thee-sdmb-cafe-society-troglodytes/487339/82 "2009-02-27T20:39:41Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Who said there wasn’t? I said I haven’t seen a valid criticism of it here, not that there aren’t any. Hell, I didn’t even say there haven’t been any here; I was legitimately asking mhendo if he’s seen any. Ah, my apologies, I thought you were making a broader statement. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-thee-sdmb-cafe-society-troglodytes/487339/83 "2009-02-27T20:55:55Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > I guess what I object to the most is the bloated sense of pride some people seem to communicate when they lambaste something. I think this is it exactly. It’s not that the criticism is shallow; it’s that it’s reflexive. We on the SDMB pride ourselves on being iconoclastic; and I think it becomes second nature to start a thread like “Everybody loves x, but I hate it.” Overrated Oscar winners is just a subset of this. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-thee-sdmb-cafe-society-troglodytes/487339/84 "2009-02-28T00:42:10Z")
Have only read the OP so far, but this is a thread I’ve refrained from starting one billion times. This is why you’ll rarely find me participating in a thread that is essentially negative–threads with “overrated” and “worst” in the titles–because they are rarely more than a litany of small-minded ignorance. Obviously there have been exceptions, when I’ve been unable to restrain myself from wading into such a thread, but in general I find such let’s-celebrate-our-ignorance threads depressing. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-thee-sdmb-cafe-society-troglodytes/487339/85 "2009-02-28T02:25:15Z")
Yay! Someone else who agrees! Lissener just made my day. Thanks, fellow doper! I appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-thee-sdmb-cafe-society-troglodytes/487339/86 "2009-02-28T03:26:31Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Yay! Someone else who agrees! > > Lissener just made my day. Thanks, fellow doper! I appreciate it. Well hold on pardner; I agree with the spirit of your OP. However, I do not agree that every opinion shared in CS should be prefaced with the highly patronizing and insulting “The following is my opinion.” If it’s an artwork–film, book, whatever–and you’re posting a statement on its value, meaning, etc.–as opposed to historical or biographical _facts_–then anyone, from semi-retard on up, should be able to take it as a given that it’s a statement of opinion. “This movie SUCKS!” is a statement of opinion; explicitly pointing that out is patronizing. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-thee-sdmb-cafe-society-troglodytes/487339/87 "2009-02-28T03:42:22Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Well hold on pardner; I agree with the spirit of your OP. However, I do not agree that every opinion shared in CS should be prefaced with the highly patronizing and insulting “The following is my opinion.” Well, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-thee-sdmb-cafe-society-troglodytes/487339/88 "2009-02-28T05:26:45Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > “This movie SUCKS!” is a statement of opinion; explicitly pointing that out is patronizing. And you know when you go on YouTube to watch a film by that actress you like – that you missed that summer, and the first comment you see.. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-thee-sdmb-cafe-society-troglodytes/487339/89 "2009-02-28T06:20:14Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Basically, an appallingly large number of the threads in that nigh-worthless forum are about bashing something other people regard highly, and then pompously patting oneself on the back for it. I’ve noticed that this is a pattern that extends beyond media/literature topics. Everyone who likes a popular videogame that I don’t like is just _saying_ they like it to look good, they don’t _really_ enjoy it, because how could _anyone_ disagree with me and still be human? All these people whining about the new rules don’t really care, they’re just cantankerous busybodies who like to be mad about stuff, because _I_ don’t think it’s a big deal, and how could anyone possibly disagree with _me_, the Arbiter of Taste? > [@Roland Orzabal](#): > > And even if they could, that still wouldn’t mean that anyone who held an opposing viewpoint was a “troglodyte”. If you want to condemn pretentious behavior, I’ll be right there with you, but you’re don’t do your point any favors by displaying that same behavior (albeit from a different viewpoint) yourself. Somebody set up this straw man and everyone else has really been beating it with a bat. The OP did not claim that the CS people are troglodytes for disagreeing with him; in fact, he didn’t seem to even imply that he always disagrees with the usual suspects. What pisses him off is that they’re pretentious motherfuckers. > [@Just Some Guy](#): > > I was going to post something about how the OP’s attitude is a common refuge of those who can’t support their opinion. It’s childish and even more narrow minded than those he attacks. The OP is just pointing out a very common phenomenon here: people who believe that everything they don’t like is objectively bad and that, if any of that stuff is popular or famous, it’s due to some kind of conspiracy, rather than, you know, other people happening to like that stuff. I don’t remember whether he did this on the board, but **Argent Towers** did this all the time in our private conversations and it drove me nuts. The Mega Man games are only popular because everyone is supposed to say they like them; in fact, there’s nothing enjoyable about running around shooting robots. Super Smash Bros’ popularity is a sham; in fact, nobody actually likes all that frenzied button-mashing. Lars and the Real Girl is a sanctimonious piece of crap that nobody enjoyed; they just claimed to like it because it would make them look cultured, etc. It’s a really common worldview on this board; “if I don’t like it, nobody actually likes it, and it’s up to me to liberate them.” Hostile Dialect, Hostile Dialect, Narcissist ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-thee-sdmb-cafe-society-troglodytes/487339/90 "2009-02-28T07:06:57Z")
> [@Hostile\_Dialect](#): > > The OP is just pointing out a very common phenomenon here: people who believe that everything they don’t like is objectively bad and that, if any of that stuff is popular or famous, it’s due to some kind of conspiracy, rather than, you know, other people happening to like that stuff. > > I don’t remember whether he did this on the board, but **Argent Towers** did this all the time in our private conversations and it drove me nuts. The Mega Man games are only popular because everyone is supposed to say they like them; in fact, there’s nothing enjoyable about running around shooting robots. Super Smash Bros’ popularity is a sham; in fact, nobody actually likes all that frenzied button-mashing. Lars and the Real Girl is a sanctimonious piece of crap that nobody enjoyed; they just claimed to like it because it would make them look cultured, etc. It’s a really common worldview on this board; “if I don’t like it, nobody actually likes it, and it’s up to me to liberate them.” You’re wrong about this. American Dad was created, and “fans” were paid off, just to punk me. _I know it_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-thee-sdmb-cafe-society-troglodytes/487339.md?page=4)